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5-14-2010 @ 3:19PM
Rob said...
Maybe it really depends on your level of progression and so forth. I can certainly see with HMs that you really need to have skilled/competent players. But if you are in a 25, frankly half the raid is doing worse than the other half (which is actually a statistical fact), and as long as you are downing bosses gear isn't really the issue. Only a handful of players will be geared and that's probably enough for progression. Now if you have that guy who stands in the fire every freaking time or causes some problems otherwise, that's an indication they should be removed. But the concept of players holding the team back, i can see it easily in 10s, but in 25s not so much. We've always had that one or two guys who just die right off the bat, and you usually down the boss anyway. Since we didn't have progression issues, it isn't an issue in my mind.
I'm not sure removing half of the raid because they aren't as good as the other half of the raid is the best solution.
I'm not arguing it's black or white, its a matter of how much they suck. Green gems, below the tank in dps, etc etc. Okay, fine boot them. But if they are at the bottom of the dps charts well frankly somebody has to be there. There is always going to be a bottom. Maybe you can work on it, but is their 2k dps decrease cause for gkick? If you are burning through enrage timers then eihte that is a 'yes', or the raid needs to be better geared overall. I'd rather have a guy who does 5k dps than a guy who does 10k dps and dies immediately.
I kinda laugh at those high and mighty guild leaders with the huge egos and attitudes that have raid guilds collapse immediately because nobody can handle their egos. I've seen it happen quite a few times. Their stupid raid policies, rules, and so forth killed the raid enjoyment, so we just stopped showing up. The best guilds i've been in were pretty flexible and laid back but everyone on the same page 'we want to kill LK' for example. The more hardcore the guilds become the more people get turned off, and I know it's not just me.
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5-14-2010 @ 3:30PM
Tim said...
I'm "that guy" at the bottom in healing. Does anyone die? No. But my guild still put me on probation cause one of the Co-GM's Resto Druid buddies starting playing again. So I got put on probation and he's raiding now. Kinda messed up even if I am a bottom feeder.
5-14-2010 @ 3:45PM
Rob said...
Tim, maybe find another guild? Good druids are hard to find, and healing resto is pretty easy (i have two 80 restos, one in ICC gear). If they do that to you, imagine what else they will be biased about. Buddy needs loot even though you have the DKP? Sorry you. (etc etc).
5-14-2010 @ 4:22PM
Tyler Caraway said...
@Tim
Yours is the primary situation that I was expressing that players really need to avoid.
First, let me say that when I am speaking in terms of player quality, the style of guild that you are in is going to be a large determinant to that. If you are in a guild whose primary focus is pushing progression and downing content years before anyone else, then the bar for a poor player is going to be placed quite high. If you are in a guild, like the one I was, where the goal is to just down bosses and have fun as you can without a huge concern towards being the first, then how 'skilled' players have to be a much lower. There is a place for everyone in the raiding scene, really there is, but that place isn't always going to be in a specific guild. Only a guild can decided what level of play they wish to persue.
That being said, Tim's issue is exactly what can occur when you don't follow this rule. It is entirely possible that the guild was already thinking of removing Tim (although it could also just be that they're dicks and picked a quick target for their friend) but felt that they didn't have a suitable replacement in line. So...they did nothing. And now that they do have a replacement, suddenly everything feels like a problem.
It's completely unfair to Tim to treat him in such a manner, and why the situation should never take place. I know that gkicking people doesn't seem like a nice thing to do at time, but it is often far nicer than the alternatives. This is one of those alternatives...and it sucks.