Blood Sport: PvE gear in arena
Want to crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women? You'd better come back next week then, since this week Blood Sport has been hijacked. While Blood Sport's usual writer, C. Christian Moore, completes his 12 labors, a plebeian priest by the name of Dawn Moore has stepped up to the helm. Try to ignore the sounds of crashing objects, shattering glass and screeching cats.
Mr. Moore is out this week, performing heroic deeds, winning the hearts of women, and living up to the descriptor "a gentleman and a scholar." For this reason I, Miss Moore, have been assigned to fill in for him. The reason for this has nothing to do with the following conversation.
I am certain Mr. Moore's readers are filled with dread that an ill-qualified priestess hailing from the PvE side of the WoW.com has come to play checkers on their chessboard, so to soothe your minds I have provided ...Alex Ziebart: Whoa, I just realized you and Colby have the same last name. Mind = Blown.
Dawn Moore: *facepalm*
Michael Sacco: Whoa, I never noticed that either.
Listening music: Find Yourself by John O'Callaghan and featuring Sarah Howells. The full version is better, but the music video is far too amusing and weird not to link.
Last week: You had the reflections and speculations of a gladiator on the future of PvP in Cataclysm.
This week: You may well die a little inside, as a lowly challenger tries to tell you something you don't already know about PvE gear in arena. Chance of failure: 85%.
Over at my usual column, Spiritual Guidance, I regularly try to convince my readers to PvP. I do this because the situational awareness you learn in PvP, especially arena, is one of the biggest strengths a player can bring to a PvE environment. The best raiders I ever knew were also brilliant in the arena and frequently complained to me how boring PvE was. I sympathized, knowing that if I personally spend any increment of time PvPing before a raid, everything in the dungeon slows down to an unbearable, crawling pace. (On that thought, it makes me a little sad that Blizzard said they want to slow down PvP.)
The above said, I find it a bit ironic that I am now sitting in an almost reverse situation. I say almost, because I have no intention of encouraging you to PvE. In fact, my agenda is to do the opposite, sort of. Today I am going to be rooting for wearing PvP gear in arena.
As a PvPer, PvE content and its rewards certainly do sing an alluring siren's song. Weapon upgrades in the first wings of Icecrown Citadel, for example, are quick and easy to acquire and offer a great head start into a new arena season. With a little extra time and luck, an arena player* can find some fantastic PvE trinkets that help to round out his stats with some extra hit, regen, or whatever is needed. Reaching for the stars after that are the promises of legendary items like Shadowmourne, or Val'anyr, which share no comparable PvP counterpart. Beyond the obvious, PvE items can also offer a form of relief to certain classes, like mages, who have few stat allocation options given the single PvP gear set available to them. For a mage, the small sacrifice in stamina and resilience is made up for by their multitude of individual survival and control abilities; but that option doesn't exist for every class. (And while I know this is an arena column, not a general PvP column -- another great place for PvE gear is battlegrounds, since opponents are generally not organized enough for resilience to matter and the stats give us an ability to brute force, heal through or outlast our opponents.)
The advantages to PvE gear are all good and fine, but one must remember that every siren song isn't without its jagged rocks, though. Unfortunately, the compromises you make for wearing PvE gear are bit slow to reveal themselves and as a result, aren't always obvious to every player. In lower brackets, where you find players
I think these discrepancies in results is one of the big reasons PvE gear is so popular in arena. Despite any personal successes you might have had up to this point, I would encourage you to look at where you are currently in arena and where you'd like to be. You see, I am of the belief that the usage of PvE gear ultimately creates a risk of to players who want to grow and advance into higher brackets. To explain what I mean, let me use a loosely related example from when I first started learning arena in season 4. At the time, my best PvP pal was a genius mage who liked playing fire. This worked fine in brackets below 1900, but after that he hit a wall. The burst damage his spec offered couldn't stand up to the resilience gear people were wearing at higher brackets. He had to respec to keep pushing forward.
Though the variables are different, it's important to examine the situation with gear in mind. There will come a point where you are compromising more than you are gaining, and if you really want to move up, you're going to have to play the game like the people ahead of you are playing. The old PvE motto applies: "You can't DPS dead." That player might have an extra 200 haste or spellpower on you, but is he going to survive a little focus fire when his healer gets CCed? The further up you go, the less and less your gear will matter as it all becomes homogenized in an attempt to maximize survival (that is, provided, you are picking up the same resilience upgrades as everyone else.) I honestly think that's Blizzard's intention really; after a while, it should all come down to skill. That's the beautiful thing about arena, isn't it? I know I'm always looking for the right bracket where I'm playing against the person and no longer the game. Wow, that sounded a bit sappy, didn't it? I'm way too idealistic to be an arena columnist.
Anyway, so what am I saying here? If you're a culprit of sporting some PvE gear in the arena, examine where you are and then look at where you want to go. Hop onto the armory or your preferred database and start looking at the gear of players in the bracket above you. If they're still wearing a mismatch of PvE gear, then maybe it's a skill issue, but if it's not, be willing to give up some damage for survival and be willing to try out some different strats. Arena is the last place you want to cling to something that worked before, but isn't now. One of the things I try to encourage in raiding when nothing is working out, is to change things up, whether it be gear, talents, buffs and consumables, strategies, or player roles. It might be an attrocious failure, but it gets people thinking in different ways that can lead to success. That approach works in arena too.
I'm going to get out of here now. If you learned nothing, fear not, Mr. Moore will be returning next week. (I'm sure his hand has been over his face the entire time while reading this.) If you learned something, or this article at least served as a small reminder of good habits, then ... There is that idealism again. Pesky PvE'r optimism.
* I'm charging Mr. Moore, upon his return, to come up with more terms of reference to players who arena. PvPer is too broad, and arena junkie has too strong an association with Arena Junkies.
Want to ascend the arena ladders faster than a fireman playing Donkey Kong? Check out WoW.com's articles on arena, successful arena PvPers, PvP, and our arena column, Blood Sport.Filed under: Blood Sport (Arena PvP)






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Jamie May 17th 2010 7:12PM
Wow... same last names I didn't see that coming, it almost seems like fate!
Rakah May 17th 2010 8:45PM
@dawn, if it should come down to skill they why have veried levels of pvp gear? why have such discepencies in defence that cloth needs more resilience than plate. If blizzard wanted it to be purely skill then surely stats would be baked so that everyone is on a level playing field and the only thing holding you back is your ability to play.
TLDR i hate the current arena philospohy
Dawn Moore May 17th 2010 10:45PM
@Rakah
It's still World of Warcraft. They have to give you a carrot that's just out of reach all the time to keep you logging in each season. If you look at how they set things up on the arena tournament realm it's quite a bit different.
Austin May 18th 2010 1:34AM
@Dawn:
Why don't we call them gladiators?
...smirk...
Dawn Moore May 18th 2010 2:03AM
Just as calling a person an arena junkie would have unwanted connection to the website Arena Junkies, calling any Joe Everyman who hops into the arena a gladiator would have unwanted connection with the title Gladiator. Gladiator is a pretty elite title (any accompanying elitism is optional) and I think that should be preserved.
=D
Askia May 17th 2010 7:31PM
Great song, thanks for sharing. And great article too! I've never played Arena pretty much for this reason.
Deathmd May 17th 2010 7:40PM
The above said, I find it a bit ironic that I am now sitting in an almost reverse situation. I say almost, because I have no intention of encouraging you to PvE. In fact, my agenda is to do the opposite, sort of. Today I am going to be rooting for wearing PvP gear in arena.
You might want to re-read the last sentence there. ;)
Redielin May 17th 2010 7:47PM
This is a big part of why I stopped doing arena. I had to raid to feel like I had a shot at moving up the brackets. Well, I raided. Guess what, now I just raid and have no time anymore to arena.
Oh, well, with people running around in raid gear its still all a burstfest anyways.
Kemikalkadet May 17th 2010 7:54PM
Personally i've found the opposite to be true. You mentioned mages in your article as a class that doesn't really need a lot of PvP gear, the same is true of warriors to a lesser extent. At the start of this season i went for a lot of resil, i had around 1.1k, and i found it really hard to score kills due to a lack of pressure (only playing 2v2 atm). I switched some gear around and dropped to 850-900 resil and found i had a much easier time getting the kill with a few PvE pieces on.
Just a couple of pieces can add a fair bit of pressure, i wear the frost plate and crafted boots so i can keep my 4-set bonus, although in 3's or 5's i imagine i'd be better off with around 1k resil. Like you said in the closing para.. experiment and mix things up to see what works for you. Stacking full PvE gear is a sure fire way to fail, but going the opposite way and only wearing PvP can gimp you also (depending on class/spec/comp/bracket), best way is to experiment until you find a setup that works well.
Kat May 17th 2010 8:00PM
* I'm charging Mr. Moore, upon his return, to come up with more terms of reference to players who arena. PvPer is too broad, and arena junkie has too strong an association with to Arena Junkies.
How about, y'know, gladiators?
Hangk May 17th 2010 8:25PM
"Gladiator" is a title awarded at the end of every Arena seasons to the very best Arena players on each server. So the term does describe Arena PvP'ers, but only the most successful ones. :)
Lemons May 17th 2010 10:09PM
"I sympathized, knowing that if I personally spend any increment of time PvPing before a raid, everything in the dungeon slows down to an unbearable, crawling pace. (On that thought, it makes me a little sad that Blizzard said they want to slow down PvP.)"
I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't enjoy arenas/pvp for its frenetic pacing. I liked BC a lot more than wrath and a big reason for that is that it wasn't the crazy-fast clusterfuck that it is now. The biggest reason I enjoy pvp is you're playing against other people who can actually think and react to what you're doing, instead of a static boss that's always going to do the same thing every single time. I just think it takes a lot more mental energy to pvp (unless you're a paladin) than it does to pve.
rondesouto May 17th 2010 11:19PM
How long do you want fights to go? I have run the 45min time limit in a 2v2, the only reason I did that is because im stubborn. BTW after 45mins its a draw and both teams lose. With two good of equal or gear and skill, matches can last up to 15mins. I think this season is fine.
Lemons May 17th 2010 11:40PM
Yea, just because you and another caster had a 45 minute mana fight doesn't mean that the gameplay isn't frenetic. Frenetic doesn't really mean "burst", what I'm saying everything is happening so fast (compared to BC) that it's hard to really take it all in.
I do feel bad for you though...if you're having 15 minute fights now I'd hate to see what kind of fights you'll be having in Cata.
terraburn May 17th 2010 10:25PM
Great chune. One of the best from '09.
Quartza May 18th 2010 2:41AM
Please, use this from now on when posting videos of ninjas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgE6VdRcHYw
Ninja Academy always FTW
Don May 18th 2010 3:34AM
dinged 80 on my lock to the video
brendan May 18th 2010 7:58AM
interesting opinion. i would like to hear some feedback from some more 'seasoned' players. i myself aren't quite yet experienced enough, but imo some classes do benefit more from pve, to more or less extents.
melee classes for example really should use a 264 pve weapon for the added burst/pressure due mostly to abilities being affected directly by weapon damage, and high-armoured (plate-wearers) players can afford to use pve gear moreso than squishies since they usually can survive longer.
in contrast healers and frequently focused-on classes really should aim to maximise their resilience to survive and spellpower to heal and/or burn while also maintaining spell pen and hit caps. in general, pve weapons are much less important to casters than melee since they're burst isn't directly related to weapon damage.
DarkWalker May 18th 2010 9:33AM
You pretty much highlighted one reason I don't see myself doing arenas. I don't care for PvP enough to get any piece of PvP gear or respec into a PvP spec (as my two specs are taken with PvE specs); my only pieces of PvP gear are drops from VoA where no one else benefited from the gear. Besides, my only involvement with PvP is doing some seasonal event achievements and farming honor for the mounts.
Without feeling like I would have at least almost equal chances against someone of similar skill without having to go to the trouble of getting a new set of gear and constantly respeccing I don't feel like even trying out arenas. I might try some if the arena tournament was both free and available where I live (as there players have evenly matched gear and don't have to worry about juggling PvE specs), but with the current way arenas work, I'm not willing to go against the initial handicap of not having PvP gear and the hassle of having to respec.
physicsgeek42 May 18th 2010 9:55AM
*cough* Warriors *cough*
Man, did anybody else hear that? It sounded like an excessively pve-gear dependent cough to me.