Encrypted Text: How to gear your rogue to be raid-ready

I would love to see the Horde conduct a democratic election. We've heard that Garrosh will be taking the reins from Thrall, but just think of the fun that we could have watching various candidates debate the issues. I can assume that Garrosh would be in support of stricter immigration policies, while Vol'jin would be voting for any measure that protected the Echo Isles rainforest. Sylvanas would be accused of campaign fraud by some pro-Earthmother TAC (Tauren Action Committee) members, who would then mysteriously disappear a week later without a trace.
The hot topics would obviously be the economy (or what's left of it, after Basil's had his shot), setting up a universal epic system, and perhaps the most controversial matter: GearScore. The primary cause for PUG elitism is the mentality that anyone with worse gear than me is a scrub, and anyone with better gear than me is a nerd. GearScore is only a means to an end, which is to make it easy for a raid leader to quickly judge players. Rather than complaining, there's an even easier way to bring your rogue up to the minimum GS bar set by trade chat: let's get you into some new gear!
Spreadsheets make gear choices easier
The first step in gearing your rogue for a raid is to get familiar with a spreadsheet. I highly recommend Aldriana's sheets, which you can find at Elitist Jerks. Make sure you get the right sheet for your build, whether it be mutilate or combat. Now, while you're gearing up, it can be difficult using the spreadsheets since they don't have a lot of weaker gear in them. Now, you could go through and make manual entries for every single item you're wearing and ever could wear at some point in the future. However, I have an alternative that will actually save you quite a bit of time.
First, get familiar with Tinkerbob's guide to modifying the hidden gear tab of the spreadsheet. Once you've familiarized yourself with adding new gear to the sheet, you can use my trick to save yourself some tedious work setting up every single item you have equipped. In reality, the spreadsheet doesn't look at any individual piece of gear to determine your DPS, but rather takes the total of all of your stats and plugs those into various formulas. All you have to do is create a dummy item in the sheet, similar to my awesome item: [Chase's COOL GLOVES] (Blizzard devs, take note). I adjust the stat balance on this item to match what my character screen shows in game. For example, I have it set to give me 1,222 agility and 500 stamina, as well as a variety of other stats. This allows the sheet to model my character correctly, without worrying about filling in every little piece of gear I have equipped. Let me mention now that this technique doesn't work at all for weapons or trinkets, so you'll have to leave the models for those to the spreadsheet.

Emblems of Triumph are your best friend
The best gear you can get without stepping into Icecrown Citadel or spending several thousand gold on BoE loot will come from Emblems of Triumph, which you should be able to get your hands on pretty easily. If you're a brand new 80, you can check out my guide to the reputation gear available to get yourself a starter set, and then just queue up for random heroics and specifically target ToC 5-man and the ICC 5-mans to maximize your gear income. The ICC 5-mans, in particular, host a ton of great gear as well, so if you're lucky enough to get one of those dungeons for a random heroic, be cheerful! We'll be trying to get you into gear that is item level 232 or above wherever we can, which will have you both passing GearScore checks and doing some serious DPS as well. Your decision between mutilate or combat will largely rest on which weapons drop for you, so don't be afraid to try out both specs if better weapons drop for one or the other.
I like to start with filling out my tier set when I'm moving onto a new tier of gear, as these are high-budget slots that will boost my stats by the highest amount, when compared to replacing something like a pair of bracers. You should also evaluate which pieces will give you the largest DPS increase per emblem, using the spreadsheet as a guide. I've compiled a post with all of the strongest Emblem of Triumph rewards listed, and you can plug in those items to your sheet and figure out what the best upgrade for your current gear is. Some of my advice on the individual pieces of gear may be a bit outdated, due to updated mechanics or gearing issues that we're only seeing in this final tier of Wrath. Spreadsheet every choice to make sure that you're getting the right results for your rogue.
Conclusion
If you're diligent about farming your triumph emblems, there are at least nine pieces of gear you can pick up that are all item level 232 or 245, which is plenty for starting ICC 10-man or 25-man. If you're at all lucky running the ICC 5-mans, you can hopefully pick up a couple of new weapons as well, which will have you ready to assault Arthas' front door in no time. Remember that most players were in item level 232 and 245 gear when Icecrown was first released, and we currently have a 15% damage buff backing us up as well. Never take a higher item level piece of gear if it is a DPS loss. The difference in GearScore that one item makes won't wash away the guilt of breaking rogue rule numero uno: DPS is everything.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Diseased May 19th 2010 5:12PM
I would also STRONGLY encourage players to check out the iDPS Rogue DPS tool that is out there. Its visually MUCH stronger than Adrianna's sheet, does a better job of suggesting upgrades, AND doesn't overlook as many 'starter' items as the other sheets do. "What, my ilevel 245 neck piece wasn't even good enough to add to your spreadsheet? So now all my numbers are wrong. Thanks Adrianna, sorry I didn't use the same gear you had".
iDPS is also found on the elitist jerks forums in the same section as the other sheets. Trust me on this, its a REALLY REALLY helpful tool, and doesn't feel like 'spreadsheeting' despite giving you the same information much easier to follow and understand.
Gormaggus May 19th 2010 6:18PM
I am absolutely in love with the iDPS Java tool - been using it for two months or so now, and it truly is much more intuitive and cleaner than mucking around in Excel.
Pryn May 19th 2010 8:08PM
I've been increasingly pleased with iDPS as its steadily developed and improved its functionality. Initially I ran it alongside Aldriana's spreadsheet for a period of four weeks or so, using both and monitoring for differences, but I've developed enough trust and confidence in iDPS that I have recently been using it exclusively and also recommending it to all my rogues (Rogue only guild!).
http://code.google.com/p/idps/
For anyone getting started into preparing gear for raiding this is the best option available. It forms an introduction to min/maxing in a simple to use manner that creates a welcoming enticement to rogues to learn and make informed decisions about their equipment choices. The complexities of the spreadsheet can tend to isolate people at this stage in particular, and learning to brute force gear into the spreadsheet isn't going to be the most encouraging way to begin what should be a love affair with your rogue and its pretty numbers!
Aldriana still deserves all the credit going for the spreadsheet, but that doesn't mean it is the only option, most especially for those not currently grinding their weapons against Heroic Lichy.
Alberoth May 27th 2010 3:34AM
I just tried out the iDPS tool and it is pretty much spot on for where my dps is in ICC25. I am averaging approximately 5.9k dps over the trash mobs and bosses. I still have a few items to upgrade (trinket and neck straight off the top of my head) so I should be able to push that up to about the 6.9k that I got the other night on Saurfang.
So for me to be achieving the amount of dps that iDPS is saying that I am doing means that I have my rotation down tight :)
Now that makes me damned happy...
Just give me some more gear and I will be happy.
Saidear May 19th 2010 5:22PM
I use RAWR to model my dps.. not sure how accurate it is, but it is simple, and gearing is easier since it breaks it down numerically what's better, what's not, etc.
Not sure how good it is for modelling cycles tho.
Feist May 19th 2010 5:43PM
Short answer: It isn't, and don't use it. It's got an active dev now... kinda, but he barely plays a rogue and there's still a lot of fundamental issues as a result. It's got a long way to go.
Saidear May 19th 2010 6:03PM
The problem with the spreadsheet used by Adrianna is that the gear I have (primarily heroic/emblem gear) doesn't show up as options, this makes the tool practically useless for me. Tho, I might edit it to see if that works. RAWR's interface is a lot more friendly with regards to gear and finding comparable upgrades.
I might try iDPS though.
Rakah May 19th 2010 6:07PM
use simcraft, i've found it to be very one of the best sims that cover all the classes
Saidear May 19th 2010 7:11PM
Ok, so mucking about in iDPS... where do I see what my optimal rotation 'ought' to be? Nor does it clearly state what poison you are considered to be using (deadly/instant and on which hands, etc). basically, it assumes you know what you should be doing, and just shows you what your dps increase will be.
RAWR I find treats the user like they know less of the modelling, and tells you what it is doing: which poisons, what it thinks your optimal rotation is, how long a boss fight can go for, what level of boss are you fighting, that kind of thing. It takes the stat equivalency and shows you in a nice visual graph too.
iDPS is a nice start, but nowhere near as understandable as RAWR is. And Adrianna's spreadsheet is no good for me due to the fact my gear won't be modelled in there. It's a shame.
Feist May 19th 2010 7:21PM
Saidear, 30 seconds of research could answer all of those questions:
http://code.google.com/p/idps/wiki/FAQ
Specifically:
What poisons is iDPS using?
Instant Poison in your slow weapon, Deadly in the fast one. If they have the same speed, Deadly is used in the Main Hand.
This is always the way poisons should be set up so there's no reason to bother with anything complicated to tell you.
As for the other factors, quite frankly, they aren't relevant. Fight duration will affect the impact of certain cooldowns and the actual 'DPS' number, but the directional impact of gear selection is generally not impacted by this outside of trinket selection w/r/t ICD management - and that's a far thornier issue than /any/ modeling tool is going to be able to handle.
Rotation is the same regardless of gear, so again, RAWR isn't really doing anything extra for you. The only exception to this is whether you use Rupture, and in this case, iDPS, with it's 'rupture uptime' slider essentially allows /you/ to input the rotation.
Stat equivalencies in iDPS are represented numerically. I'm sorry that isn't pretty enough for you.
And last but not least, as for boss level, /every/ DPS modeling tool of worth assumes a level 83 Mob, because quite frankly, there's no point in optimizing for anything else.
crschmidt May 19th 2010 5:27PM
... It sounds to me like you've taken a huge functionality of the spreadsheet -- the ability to quickly evaluate upgrades -- and thrown it away, in favor of slightly easier setup.
I don't play a rogue, so I don't know much about this, but I set up the combat rogue spreadsheet for my roommate, and she's been happy with it ever since. Sure, it took me 30 minutes or so to enter all of the gear -- this is a side effect of her abandoning her rogue for her druid at the start of TOC, I basically had to enter all of her gear by hand -- but once I did that, I didn't have to 'write down' DPS anymore, just fiddle with the drop downs to see DPS changes.
If you're wearing more modern gear, this is even less of a concern. Pretty much all the drops from raiding are in there, and at least some of the ICC-5 gear is too. Unless you've got a lot of older gear lying around, setting up the sheet doesn't take that much time, and the effort seems well worth it, rather than manually changing stats to see how it would perform.
(Also, doesn't this mess up the socket stuff? How do you know whether you should gem for a socket bonus, if you just have one piece of armor with 17 sockets on it?)
Feist May 19th 2010 5:45PM
And on top of that, the trinket includes some fairly complex modeling details for slots like weapons, trinkets, enchants, and various procs like the Ashen Verdict rep ring and Heartpierce.
Just copypasting the stats of those items weakens the sheets accuracy considerably.
Chase Christian May 19th 2010 5:51PM
This method doesn't work for trinkets/weapons, and I've noted that in the post.
Imagine that not only was your gear not on the spreadsheet, but the gear you wanted to compare yourself to wasn't on the sheet either. It's obviously far, far easier to use if you've got relevant gear, but this guide was designed for those rogues who are still working on getting their gear up to the spreadsheet's minimum levels. If you have the time or inclination to program in your gear: by all means, do that. However, you can use the sheet to evaluate a simple gear upgrade in about two minutes, which is useful if you are getting new gear at a rapid rate. As soon as you move to an item on the spreadsheet, you start using that on the sheet, so the problem corrects itself as you gain more gear.
Docrev May 19th 2010 7:11PM
It actually works fine for most weapons, with the exception of ones like Heartpierce and Black Bruise with a proc. Some trinkets as well, for example Mirror of Truth, can be added if you know the ICD, or at least a decent approximation (the AP from Mirror of Truth as an average, rather than actually factoring in the procs).
Feist May 19th 2010 7:13PM
The problem isn't so much that it doesn't work for weapons or trinkets - the problem is that by not taking weapons or trinkets into account you can vastly skew results. Specifically there are a number of trinkets and weapon choices that will have a substantial impact on the specific gearing choices you make.
A suggested change to your method: When determining stats for [Chase's Cool Gloves] unequip weapons and trinkets, and then, add them in the sheet normally and select them from the drop downs properly. You'll get substantially better results.
mayjest May 19th 2010 6:05PM
Although the spreadsheet is a truely awesome tool, it's a little bit out of date now. For example, rupture can crit. That's not that big of a change for Mutilate Rogues, but for Combat ones like myself it's huge. I'd literally got to the point of ArPen stacking a week or so before 3.3.3, and thought that the Rupture crit wouldn't make much difference - I'd just use Rupture instead of Eviscerate when Rupture wasn't on the boss. The spreadsheet even supported me. Then I realised it hadn't been updated (I'd downloaded a new version needlessly) and had to do it all manually. So now I'm again at the point where ArPen is good, but other stats are every so slightly better.
From what I'm aware of, adding in the ability to crit is as simple as turning 4piece T8 on all the time. It's in the calcs sheet. Setting B12 = 1 should do the trick. And if I've got that wrong, it's done another way and it turns out I have to regem all over again, I'll be furious.
Also, although Chase's method of a single item makes sense, I can't help but think that there's something inherantly wrong with it. I just don't like it. It also can't help with gem reccommendations and things like that surely?
t0xic May 19th 2010 6:03PM
I apologize in advance, but I could hardly get past the opening sentences. You used the words "Garrosh" and "democractic election" in the same paragraph.
I'm imagining an argument over hanging chads, and it wouldn't be pretty.
tobinu2 May 19th 2010 6:35PM
I use rawr and I'm happy with the results. I tested it against the spreasheet and came up with similar results, but I think rawr is more user-friendly.
Lemons May 19th 2010 7:47PM
It's also bad.
Rajah May 19th 2010 8:03PM
I also use rawr and find it incredibly user-friendly. And while it may have some modeling limitations, the ease of use and effortless availability of every item in the Armory makes gearing choices a piece of cake. But then my rogue is a very new 80 (every piece is either ilvl 187 or 200 and they're all blue except for a few epics), meaning I have many more potential gear choices to evaluate at this stage than does someone decked out entirely in ilvl 264 items. For my needs at this time, rawr is just more helpful than a spreadsheet. But I am curious about iDPS, that sounds like something worth checking out.
What I'd like to know more about is what is the optimal strategy for spending my Emblems, now that I'm earning them? Spend them as soon as I have just enough to buy a single upgrade item or continue saving them for a better (but more costly) item? I've heard several veteran players bemoan how they "wasted" their Emblems by riding the perpetual incremental upgrade railroad. What do you leet rogues say?