Gold Capped: Market timing

The prices for all kinds of things fluctuate. I talked a little about this in my post for casual auctioneers, but there is serious money to be made with market timing for very little investment. Basically, the goal is to watch prices for a few weeks, try to predict their next swing, and take advantage by buying low and selling high.
Watching prices
Easier said than done, like most things worth doing. You might get hundreds of items you'd like to watch, and short of a photographic memory or a manual spreadsheet, you're going to need some help keeping track of it all. Enter Market Watcher. This is a nifty addon that, once configured, allows you to scan the auction house for just the things you're interested in, and will show you a graph of their prices over time once you get a couple scans done.
It actually has a fair bit more functionality than just graphs, but it's stuff like buying and selling, and I never bothered looking that far into it. I simply created a list, scan it daily, and use the data to determine value.

Click the history tab to get started, and click on the add button to start choosing your tracked items.

Click the "get item info" button and then "add". Now check "record scans" and leave the other stuff as is.

Click on the scan tab, then the scan button:

Now since this is the first time you've used Market Watcher, you're going to get some useless info that you could see for yourself just by searching. Specifically, the prices for all the items that you defined in the first step. Here's what my history tab looks like, though, as I've been scanning every day that I remembered for months:

What to look for
Now that you have the tools needed to identify what the average price for something is and how it tends to change, how do you decide what to add to your list? The best items are things that are in demand by raiders or PvP players. Particularly good are things that have fairly stable supply but spiky demand. This list isn't be any means comprehensive, but it's a good place to get started.
- Raiding consumables like flasks, potions, stat food and buff consumables
- Gear enhancements like leg armor, meta gems, belt buckles
- Enchanting mats
- Anything that converts well (crystallized to eternals, etc)
- Things that are hard to turn around like epic gear
- Things that are constantly going down in value like primordial saronite and epic gear
- Things that can be mass farmed by gold sellers like herbs, ore, and leather
One way you can take advantage of this is by identifying things that have intrinsic value that they're farming for. For example, Saronite Ore can be smelted and vendored for 12.5g a stack. When you see it at 9g a stack, you know that you are safe buying as much as you are willing to smelt with no risk. Don't make that assumption for herbs, though. They have little to no vendor value, and when a botter crashes the market, unless you're one of those masochistic glyph sellers who have the ability to actually mill and use thousands of stacks of herbs, you don't want to buy the herbs for resale.
Behind the scenes
Why are these prices fluctuating so wildly? Several reasons. The biggest one is that the people who usually sell these often don't plan ahead, and make as much for a Monday as they do on a Tuesday. Monday, having considerably less demand than Tuesday nights, will force them to undercut each other more heavily to get any sales.
Additionally, there can be demand spikes. The number of people looking for a new meta gem will depend on the RNG of all the raids that night. Overall it will be pretty well averaged out, however there certainly are nights where more people got helms than usual.
In real life
This is not cheating, nor is it a bad thing. People who say that you're controlling the markets fail to notice that you're also helping level out supply. You take a risk by buying product for resale. In the real world, this function is somewhat similar to a "market maker." Market timing price speculators are contributing to market liquidity -- there's more demand on off nights, and more supply on busy nights. This is a good thing for your average player, not a bad thing.
Of course, back before the market was as mature as it is now, people used to try to monopolize markets. I've said this before, and I'll say it again. This is stupid, and won't work. Market timing is effective because it doesn't try to go around the natural balance of demand and supply. Trying to force a price up to a certain level by buying out all your competition is an effort that's doomed to fail.
Filed under: Economy, Add-Ons, Gold Capped






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
StGeorge78 May 20th 2010 8:27PM
If they ban AVR for affecting raiding negatively, they should ban all Auction House addons for affecting the economy of the game negatively.
Basil Berntsen May 20th 2010 8:32PM
This isn't changing the experience as much as AVR is. I'll miss AVR, of course, but it sure felt like cheating when I used it. It trivialized a bunch of fights.
Valt May 20th 2010 8:37PM
Geez. AVR is telling you by basically holding your hand where to stand in (3D space by circles) and what to do when 20 feet tall firewall is coming towards you.
Auctioneer and such are not telling "hey duude you buy this item and turn it into bars and then into titanium bar by alchemist you receive 200% profit GUARANTEED if you click it now" without any required decision making.
Also auctioneer addons are not doing drawing genitals in the game world in 3D space.
/End of this topic.
BritishBulldog May 20th 2010 8:52PM
Affecting the economy of the game negatively? You realise that, without auction addons, the majority of market players wouldn't be able to function? Like hell am I going to manually buy out 200 stacks of herbs in the default ui. Breaking auction addons would kill the auction house, not the other way around.
StGeorge78 May 20th 2010 9:10PM
I don't know what Auction House mod you're using, but Auctioneer tells you exactly what to do with every item (sell this, disenchant that, convert that, buy this) and then it gives you an exact price to set so that all you do is click "post, post, post" over and over. And it draws on the game screen by changing the Auction House UI into something Blizzard did not intend. So therefore, it breaks all the same rules AVR did. Ban them both.
StGeorge78 May 20th 2010 9:13PM
Lest we forget, Auctioneer also skirted the rules by having a page-by-page scanner that slurped the entire auction house to generate an in-game database? Did Blizzard ban the mod and threaten to ban people who used it? No, because that was 3 years ago they actually put more functionality into the game to provide a full download of the entire AH in one command. Blizzard of today? They would ban it, break the auction house functionality and then charge $2.99 a month to get access to the same data... Oh wait, I guess that already happened.
theRaptor May 20th 2010 9:15PM
Be less butthurt StGeorge. There are no fixed mod rules, Blizzard bans mods that they feel are not good for the game. They could ban button skinning mods tomorrow if they felt like it.
They might cut down on what Auctioneer is allowed to do now that they have actually improved (slightly) the default auction UI. But they now if they banned it then lots of sellers would stop selling and the markets would be half empty and all the prices would be crazy.
Kadamon May 20th 2010 11:02PM
Well, if we're playing that game.
They should ban stupid people because they are affecting our playtime negatively.
Or, I know!
They should ban big words because they're affecting the time it takes me to do things negatively.
*snorts*
Speeding up the inevitable isn't really cheating when you can do it yourself anyway. It's not my fault that I use auctioneer and make money off of people that don't. It's their own. Well, that and people who put items up for buyouts that are worth less than vendoring.
I love those kind of people!
dippymister May 20th 2010 11:17PM
There's nothing wrong with auctioneer changing the auction house ui. Blizzard specifically said that they have no problem with a mod changing the default ui, but the problem they had with AVR was that it changed the game world, not just the ui. If they were banning mods that changed the ui... Well then that would be a hell of a lot of mods- bartender, buttonfacade, unit frame addons, you name it.
Bond May 21st 2010 11:29AM
The difference between AVR and auction scanners is that AVR allowed people who don't know how to raid to raid; Auctioneer and such only allow people who know how to play the AH do it better. If you want a real comparative raiding tool, Auctioneer is like Boss Mods - telling you that you are standing in fire with an audible alert but not showing you where to move or what button to push to do so.
You mistake a record keeping tool for an active manipulation process, I assume because you do not really know how auction scanning works. If I am tracking item price over time, I am doing nothing more than reporting (to myself) the activity which is going on around me. If I then compare that activity to what is available for sale, and decide to buy low and sell high, that is exactly what happens in every financial market (or market of any other kind). Should your grocery store not sell apples at a price higher than what they paid for them? Do you think they do not go out and find the cheapest supplier for those apples to maximize their profit? How is this different than playing the Auction House market?
I would argue that Blizzard specifically created the Auction House to allow this sort of commercialism in the World of Warcraft, and abetted the creation of AH scanners to make it a more vital element to the game. Far from not being an intended element of the game, the whole thing is exactly what they intended. It gives many people (myself included) much more interesting things to do than run around farming herbs or whatever. And when you need something and go to the Auction House to buy it, you should realize that it is more than likely that the reason why it is available to purchase is because some people manage and maintain each faction's market, and the whole community benefits.
Just like raiding and PvP, if you don't like this part of the game, don't play it. But don't come on to the AH column and try and trash it. You just look silly and uninformed.
And my pro tip for this week: Auctioneer's recommendations are frequently not right, so that thing about how it does all the work for you . . . good luck with that.
Crimpshrine May 21st 2010 1:20PM
Auctioneer *stabilizes* markets, and it's easy to see that everyone benefits from that (other than a few sharks who would make more gold off the innocent if the markets were *less* stable).
Without Auctioneer existing, only a few 24-7 players on each realm would have any idea what is a worthwhile selling price for any given item. Everyone else would be taking wild stabs at it since they would have no idea how prices were changing over time. Usually the loudest and most frequent complaints against any realm's economy are the ones about prices being ridiculous. If you want to see ridiculous prices, remove Auctioneer or its users from a server for a couple of weeks. It would quickly become a bizarre mix of overpriced junk that never sold, and commodities so underpriced + further undercut that no one could make a profit.
colbywolf May 21st 2010 4:38PM
"but Auctioneer tells you exactly what to do with every item (sell this, disenchant that, convert that, buy this) and then it gives you an exact price to set so that all you do is click "post, post, post" over and over. "
bullshit. Oh yes, it tells you. but you an't just blithly go and buy EVERYTHING it suggests is under priced and that you can resell. Thinks like enchanting mats tend to be overpriced by auctioneer's data (ie, auctioneer says it's priced 'just right' at 20s/per, yet realistically, it only goes for 20s/per about once a week when 3 people try to powerlevel enchanting all at once. Otherwise, you'll looking at 10s/per. 5s on a bad night. Gear? Gear's impossibly to move. But it saw someone list this level 12 dagger at 1000 gold once, you should buy this dagger at 3 gold and make MAX PROFIT! ... except no one will ever even buy it for 3 gold, except you. It's 'exact price' more often the not is more expensive then the lowest prices on the AH...
auctioneer is a GREAT tool. but you have to figure out how to USE it. Sure, buy those black diamonds. they're a good price. but auctioneer doesn't tell you to put them in the bank for 2 weeks while the price regulates back around so you can get a good price for them.
Valt May 20th 2010 8:41PM
I love market watcher. I think its very very intresting to look how some stuff sold on last month compared to this month. Also I can almost predict the future, will it raise, will it go down.
Also found the posting part to work way better with this. Theres tons of auctioneer fooling people out there but this one is bit more "smarter" so it wont post all your clothes 4s rather than 1g per piece because theres some guy who spammed couple 4s clothes to fool auctioneer. It posts stuff with "one per piece" price or "closests full stack price".
Derrek May 25th 2010 10:58AM
I don't think they post things super-low because they want to fool auctioneer, I think they do it because they honestly have no clue what said item can sell for and they really don't much care either. They just want to get rid of it and the suggested 4s is 1s higher than vendor so it's a profit, right?
When they do that I just buy them out and cackle to myself.
roellish May 20th 2010 8:55PM
I think it's important to note that these Addons are powerful tools if you just plan to buy. Even if you aren't a gold-capped AH psycho, learning how to scan for the best prices and filter out the rip-offs will save you money daily. If you use the AH at all you should have an addon.
icepyro May 20th 2010 9:56PM
Interestingly, I consider cloth to be on that farming list. I mention this because I use market watcher for the cloth markets. It's actually only backfired once. A little over a week ago someone posted well over 6k runecloth out of the blue and the market is still out of shape. There is a lot of cloth on the market at all times, but that's the first time since I've been auctioning that it's warped prices that badly.
Anyways, now you make me want to pay closer attention to other markets. I will have to check them out.
Another piece of auctioneer advice: once I figure out a good trend line, I put a little below that price into Auctioneer's Snatch search feature. If someone sells below the line by that much, I will usually buy it up to repost. Obviously I have to be careful with this (Yes, I did end up with over 4k of the runecloth mentioned above for not taking my own advice), but does make my life easier when a random quester will greatly undersell just to get rid of stuff.
Snaxtax May 20th 2010 9:59PM
omg thanks for this addon I was having an extremely difficult time figuring out auctioneer but this is pretty simple
Rob May 20th 2010 10:50PM
Actually i disagree about herbs, etc, they are a large source of income for me, not just for glyphs but for reselling the herbs.
Bronwyn May 21st 2010 1:26AM
Would you care to elaborate as to why specifically this works for you?
Thoorin May 21st 2010 4:47AM
I am guessing his realm is a lot like mine, with low herb turnovers overall and wild oscillation in herb prices.
I seldom see more than a page of any given herb, and prices can be 11 to 60g a stack, and I'm talking NR herbs only... Vanilla and TBC herbs can be even more lucrative, but the demand is too unstable and too dependent on levellers/scribes, so I don't bother taking the risk (there can always be someone leveling a gatherer who will just dump the market or someone leveling an alchemist/scribe who will clear the market, so...)
NR herbs are a stable market - In this environment, spending a moderate amount, like a 1000g, on herbs when they drop to like fifteens per stack, is gonna guarantee good return when the market swings around again. And quite often you can just clear it all immediately, and repost - unless it's weekend. Take weekend off, it's when all idiots go farm and then hit AH with "ZOMG MUUUUST BE CHEAPEST!!! WILL UNDERCUT!!!!!1ONE" attitude show up. Not that i mind them giving their gold away to me... but weekend is when you want to have all your money in your bag and buy, not sell.