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5-20-2010 @ 8:27PM
If they ban AVR for affecting raiding negatively, they should ban all Auction House addons for affecting the economy of the game negatively.
5-20-2010 @ 8:32PM
This isn't changing the experience as much as AVR is. I'll miss AVR, of course, but it sure felt like cheating when I used it. It trivialized a bunch of fights.
5-20-2010 @ 8:37PM
Geez. AVR is telling you by basically holding your hand where to stand in (3D space by circles) and what to do when 20 feet tall firewall is coming towards you.Auctioneer and such are not telling "hey duude you buy this item and turn it into bars and then into titanium bar by alchemist you receive 200% profit GUARANTEED if you click it now" without any required decision making.Also auctioneer addons are not doing drawing genitals in the game world in 3D space. /End of this topic.
5-20-2010 @ 8:52PM
Affecting the economy of the game negatively? You realise that, without auction addons, the majority of market players wouldn't be able to function? Like hell am I going to manually buy out 200 stacks of herbs in the default ui. Breaking auction addons would kill the auction house, not the other way around.
5-20-2010 @ 9:10PM
I don't know what Auction House mod you're using, but Auctioneer tells you exactly what to do with every item (sell this, disenchant that, convert that, buy this) and then it gives you an exact price to set so that all you do is click "post, post, post" over and over. And it draws on the game screen by changing the Auction House UI into something Blizzard did not intend. So therefore, it breaks all the same rules AVR did. Ban them both.
5-20-2010 @ 9:13PM
Lest we forget, Auctioneer also skirted the rules by having a page-by-page scanner that slurped the entire auction house to generate an in-game database? Did Blizzard ban the mod and threaten to ban people who used it? No, because that was 3 years ago they actually put more functionality into the game to provide a full download of the entire AH in one command. Blizzard of today? They would ban it, break the auction house functionality and then charge $2.99 a month to get access to the same data... Oh wait, I guess that already happened.
5-20-2010 @ 9:15PM
Be less butthurt StGeorge. There are no fixed mod rules, Blizzard bans mods that they feel are not good for the game. They could ban button skinning mods tomorrow if they felt like it.They might cut down on what Auctioneer is allowed to do now that they have actually improved (slightly) the default auction UI. But they now if they banned it then lots of sellers would stop selling and the markets would be half empty and all the prices would be crazy.
5-20-2010 @ 11:02PM
Well, if we're playing that game.They should ban stupid people because they are affecting our playtime negatively.Or, I know!They should ban big words because they're affecting the time it takes me to do things negatively.*snorts*Speeding up the inevitable isn't really cheating when you can do it yourself anyway. It's not my fault that I use auctioneer and make money off of people that don't. It's their own. Well, that and people who put items up for buyouts that are worth less than vendoring.I love those kind of people!
5-20-2010 @ 11:17PM
There's nothing wrong with auctioneer changing the auction house ui. Blizzard specifically said that they have no problem with a mod changing the default ui, but the problem they had with AVR was that it changed the game world, not just the ui. If they were banning mods that changed the ui... Well then that would be a hell of a lot of mods- bartender, buttonfacade, unit frame addons, you name it.
5-21-2010 @ 11:29AM
The difference between AVR and auction scanners is that AVR allowed people who don't know how to raid to raid; Auctioneer and such only allow people who know how to play the AH do it better. If you want a real comparative raiding tool, Auctioneer is like Boss Mods - telling you that you are standing in fire with an audible alert but not showing you where to move or what button to push to do so.You mistake a record keeping tool for an active manipulation process, I assume because you do not really know how auction scanning works. If I am tracking item price over time, I am doing nothing more than reporting (to myself) the activity which is going on around me. If I then compare that activity to what is available for sale, and decide to buy low and sell high, that is exactly what happens in every financial market (or market of any other kind). Should your grocery store not sell apples at a price higher than what they paid for them? Do you think they do not go out and find the cheapest supplier for those apples to maximize their profit? How is this different than playing the Auction House market?I would argue that Blizzard specifically created the Auction House to allow this sort of commercialism in the World of Warcraft, and abetted the creation of AH scanners to make it a more vital element to the game. Far from not being an intended element of the game, the whole thing is exactly what they intended. It gives many people (myself included) much more interesting things to do than run around farming herbs or whatever. And when you need something and go to the Auction House to buy it, you should realize that it is more than likely that the reason why it is available to purchase is because some people manage and maintain each faction's market, and the whole community benefits.Just like raiding and PvP, if you don't like this part of the game, don't play it. But don't come on to the AH column and try and trash it. You just look silly and uninformed.And my pro tip for this week: Auctioneer's recommendations are frequently not right, so that thing about how it does all the work for you . . . good luck with that.
5-21-2010 @ 1:20PM
Auctioneer *stabilizes* markets, and it's easy to see that everyone benefits from that (other than a few sharks who would make more gold off the innocent if the markets were *less* stable).Without Auctioneer existing, only a few 24-7 players on each realm would have any idea what is a worthwhile selling price for any given item. Everyone else would be taking wild stabs at it since they would have no idea how prices were changing over time. Usually the loudest and most frequent complaints against any realm's economy are the ones about prices being ridiculous. If you want to see ridiculous prices, remove Auctioneer or its users from a server for a couple of weeks. It would quickly become a bizarre mix of overpriced junk that never sold, and commodities so underpriced + further undercut that no one could make a profit.
5-21-2010 @ 4:38PM
"but Auctioneer tells you exactly what to do with every item (sell this, disenchant that, convert that, buy this) and then it gives you an exact price to set so that all you do is click "post, post, post" over and over. "bullshit. Oh yes, it tells you. but you an't just blithly go and buy EVERYTHING it suggests is under priced and that you can resell. Thinks like enchanting mats tend to be overpriced by auctioneer's data (ie, auctioneer says it's priced 'just right' at 20s/per, yet realistically, it only goes for 20s/per about once a week when 3 people try to powerlevel enchanting all at once. Otherwise, you'll looking at 10s/per. 5s on a bad night. Gear? Gear's impossibly to move. But it saw someone list this level 12 dagger at 1000 gold once, you should buy this dagger at 3 gold and make MAX PROFIT! ... except no one will ever even buy it for 3 gold, except you. It's 'exact price' more often the not is more expensive then the lowest prices on the AH... auctioneer is a GREAT tool. but you have to figure out how to USE it. Sure, buy those black diamonds. they're a good price. but auctioneer doesn't tell you to put them in the bank for 2 weeks while the price regulates back around so you can get a good price for them.
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