Scattered Shots: What spec should I use?

I get a lot of emails, and this is awesome. I love to hear from all you guys. While there are disappointingly few offers of sultry Blizzcon trysts or suggestive photos, there are lots and lots of hunter questions. Some of these I answer with lengthy explanations, some with only a few words and some with just a link to a guide that already answers the question. But I have a little tally running in my mind that pings with every type of question. Once enough emails come in on a topic, I figure it's time to write about it.
Today's topic is a perennial favorite that I really should have covered long, long ago: What spec should I use? This question is usually accompanied by a description of the hunter's gear, and often an explanation of where the hunter's DPS currently is and where he or she thinks it should be.
So join me after the cut as we tackle the question of what spec you should be, and what factors go into the decision. With any luck, putting this one to bed will make room in my inbox for more pressing emails so I can start scheduling my Blizzcon downtime.
Respeccing is not a miracle cure
Right off the bat, I want to stress that respeccing is not a cure for all your DPS woes (unless you're doing something silly with your talents, like a hybrid spec). Every single hunter spec is capable of putting out high DPS. They aren't equal -- far from it -- but if you're struggling to do over 2k DPS in heroics, your problem is not which tree you chose. Every tree can be played well and every tree can be played poorly.
I say this not to be mean, but because one of the frequent reasons I get in my emails for wanting to know what spec to play begins with "I'm only doing 4k DPS in ICC ..." Even BM, the lowest DPS spec by far, can put out over 7k or 8k DPS in decent gear. Switching specs can definitely boost your DPS -- sometimes by 20% or more -- but just keep in mind that the better you play, the more DPS any spec will give you. And a lower-DPS spec played well can outperform a higher DPS spec played with average skill.
Hunter spec rundown
Here is a brief synopsis of the hunter specs, with their strengths and weaknesses.
- Beast mastery More hunters have a deep emotional attachment to BM than any other spec by far. BM just seems to call to that spark within us that motivates us to be hunters in the first place -- that giant red, pet-shaped spark. BM is the easiest hunter spec to play (though like all specs, it still takes skill to play well) with the simplest rotation. It's also the most forgiving of ... well, of total incompetence. Even if you're keyboard turning and trying to shoot your healer by mistake, your pet will still be doing 30% or more of your DPS. BM also brings some of the strongest survivability of any spec and the least threat problems. BM is incredible for soloing and BM can even tank any dungeon or heroic if needed. On the downside, BM is the lowest DPS spec, and it's on the bottom by a fairly large margin. See the BM 101 Guide.
- Marksman After falling out of grace for an entire expansion, MM is back in force for the latter half of Wrath. MM is very likely the most difficult spec to play well. While the rotation is in the middle in complexity, MM really benefits from stacking cooldowns with trinket procs and successfully managing Readiness to get at least four Rapid Fires per boss fight. MM raiding is all about planning exactly when you'll use your cooldowns and where you'll need to be so that you don't have to move during your many Rapid Fires. MM also brings the most instant shots and the strongest AoE, as well as the best DPS at high gear levels. See the MM 101 Guide.
- Survival SV rose to prominence after the great Wrath BM nerf and remains a popular spec for all playstyles. SV has the most complex rotation but is a bit easier to play well than MM. Where MM is all about planning, SV is all about reacting, with a rotation that constantly breaks its pattern. SV relies heavily on magic damage through Explosive Shot, and as such is very strong in fights with a lot of target switching to burn down adds, as their magic damage ignores armor and is less dependent on the presence of the right debuffs. See the SV 101 Guide.
I want to level my hunter
If you are not yet at level 80, your focus should be on leveling. You don't care a whole lot about DPS -- who cares if the silly mage out-DPSes you in Gnomeregan? Your focus is just on the XP, so you can hit 80 and make that mage start blubbering illogically that his lack of armor should translate into more raid DPS than you.
Every single hunter spec can be used for leveling, and the leveling process is easy with all of them. Only death knights enjoy an easier leveling process than hunters, and other classes envy our leveling experience. The original Blizzard design document sketching out the hunter class identity looked something like this:
- best-looking class
- has pets; pets are totally awesome and can eat warlock pets as an idle action
- ranged DPS, but physical damage; only class that can auto-fire a ranged weapon
- really good-looking
- really easy to level -- I mean, really, really easy to level; every time a paladin completes a quest, the hunter gains an entire level, as a point of comparison
- has some traps; make them suck
- seriously -- ridiculously good-looking, like some kind of mythical siren -- only, you know, if instead of singing, the siren just looked so hot it didn't need to sing, it just had to shoot a smoldering look at sailors and they'd drown going for her (Or him. Are there boy sirens?)
- you know what, make them even easier to level; they should get two levels for every quest a paladin completes, three for every quest a priest manages to complete
I want to solo the unsoloable
BM remains strong for soloing and is the spec of choice for any kind of extreme soloing.
I want to kick ass in heroics
Every hunter spec can perform well in heroics and top the meters. BM again has the advantage that your DPS is more split between hunter and pet, making pulling aggro less likely. If you're one of those hunters who just can't seem to control your threat ... well, learn some self-control. But if that's too much work, BM can help you out by moving some of that threat over to your pet.
SV is probably the highest single-target DPS for most heroic-geared hunters. However, the highest overall DPS in heroics is usually going to come from the MM spec. MM has the strongest AoE, and their Volley isn't interrupted by taking stray damage. And of course, heroics these days are mostly giant AoE-fests.
I want to kick ass in raids
Once you reach the point where you want to perform as best as possible in raids, you are leaving the BM spec behind. BM is simply not competitive in raids right now.
The starting hunter is going to see the best DPS from the SV spec, and many hunters continue to keep their SV spec into very decent gear levels. Once you hit high gear levels, though, MM comes out clearly in the lead, and again by a sizable margin. You do not need to be armor pen-capped or any such nonsense for MM to overtake SV, but you will need a good ranged weapon (preferably ilvl 264) and good gear in general. Figure that if the average ilvl of your gear is around 245, you're pretty safe in going MM -- though the crossover point is very changeable, depending on your specific gear. I once made up a set of good pre-raid gear attainable only through heroics and emblems, and even at that gear level, MM clearly trumped SV.
If you're used to SV, the change to a MM mentality can take some adjustment but will reward you with the best possible DPS the hunter class can provide in a raid environment. Keep in mind though that on add fights like Saurfang and Putricide, SV's magical damage is likely to let it outperform MM until very high gear levels. On the vast majority of fights, however, MM will be on top in most raid-geared hunters.
I just want to pwn in PvP
Again, every single hunter spec can perform admirably in PvP. Unlike heroics, there is no spec that is a clear leader or even an unclear leader. The choice of spec is going to depend on your own strengths and weaknesses or on your arena team composition and strategy. You can get a brief rundown of the specs in PvP in the Hunter PvP Stats and Specs guide. But again, it's not going to tell you which is the right choice, because there really is not a right choice here.
I just want to have fun
Of course, not all hunters want to push the limits or be at the top of the meters, and that's fine too. But if your enjoyment doesn't come from optimization, then I can't tell you which spec to choose. Only you can decide what's the most fun for you!
You want to be a hunter, eh? You start with science, then you add some Dwarven Stout and round it off some elf-bashing. The end result is massive DPS. Scattered Shots is the WoW.com column dedicated to helping you learn everything it takes to be a hunter. See the Scattered Shots Resource Guide for a full listing of vital and entertaining hunter guides, including how to improve your heroic DPS, understand the impact of skill versus gear, get started with Beast Mastery 101 and Marksman 101 and even solo bosses with some extreme soloing.
Filed under: Hunter, (Hunter) Scattered Shots






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
Moonkinmaniac May 20th 2010 3:14PM
excellent article! I was starting to wonder if I should switch from SV to MM this makes things a lot easier.
kunukia May 20th 2010 3:12PM
...I almost hesitate to ask this, for fear of insulting or offending you, which is not my intention. But, why has no one at Wow.com mentioned that BRK is blogging again?
hohahihehu May 20th 2010 3:28PM
To the contrary, he HAS mentioned it. Just not on Wow.com. There's a post about it on his warcrafthuntersunion.com site (Which is linked at the top of the page.)
Rhabella May 20th 2010 3:30PM
Because the first rule of BRK blogging again, ah screw it you know the rest...
t0xic May 20th 2010 3:31PM
It's not so much information that it would require a separate article, and it's not really on the topic at hand.
Sorta like the weather guy interrupting the 5-day forecast to tell you about the great deal he got on his auto insurance. It just doesn't really fit.
It's great news to be sure.
Butts May 20th 2010 3:32PM
Kun - that would be great news if it were true. I just checked out his blog and found a generic ad page. Please provide more details and a source.
Pyromelter May 20th 2010 3:32PM
He started wow blogging again, what, 3 days ago? Wow.com posts their blog roll like once a week I think. Maybe check there.
t0xic May 20th 2010 3:34PM
@Butts:
http://www.bigredkitty.net/
kunukia May 20th 2010 5:38PM
Yarr, t0xicactually, IMO it is such huge hunter information that a hunter blogger WOULD add a sentence, or even a paragraph. Kinda like the weatherman saying, "Although it is sunny and warm here, the hurricane hitting the southeast with incredible effect, completely changing the landscape."
The hurricane that is BRK sweeps hunter news. Yes, I am a fangirl of BRK. Still, to not acknowledge his return seems almost churlish.
uncaringbear May 20th 2010 6:40PM
Not everyone was a BRK fan. Personally, I didn't miss his departure from WoW whatsoever.
sprout_daddy May 21st 2010 12:28AM
While it's nice to hear that BRK is doing something - he's a funny guy - it's even nicer to have a hunter columnist like Frost. BRK's recent blog entries remind me of a lot of his columns - funny, but seriously lacking in useful content. Brian's weekly offerings are interesting, amusing, and - most important - full of content.
Thanks, Frost!
kunukia May 21st 2010 12:31AM
Sproutgaddy, how can BRK possibly be informative. He is NOT in the live game, has not been in over a year. He is currently in the Alpha, he is NOT allowed to say a word about it. So, he is just keeping us amused and tantalized until the NDA is lifted and he can speak.
kunukia May 21st 2010 12:33AM
Ooops, Sproutdaddy, rather...
csarcops May 20th 2010 3:21PM
Great article! I'm still on the fence about switching from SV to MM full-time (I'm dual-specced and can flip-flop as needed). I primarily raid as SV, the other hunter in the raid is MM but with lower gear and I routinely outdps him. Our RL likes having 2 different hunter specs for all the buffs, so I guess I'm stuck for the time being.
iceveiled May 20th 2010 3:26PM
It's been mentioned on Brian's personal blog (and podcasts), as well as the personal blog of many a blooger and active WoW journalist.
Tony Montana May 20th 2010 3:29PM
Hmm I have an i264 weapon(and I hate to mention GS but) a little over 5600GS. Problem is my armpen is approximately 400(without gemming of course). Is my armpen too low to switch to MM or would I benefit swapping from SV to MM? Sorry for the idiot questions but this has got me confused.
Pyromelter May 20th 2010 3:34PM
I would say 400 is a bit too low to switch to marks and all your gems. You probably want to be in the 600-700 range before you make the switch.
Of course, if you're like me, with a level 20 hunter who is my 6th alt, you don't give a hoot about when to switch to marks, you just start leveling as marksmanship and say to heck with it to everything else. :)
Faylla May 20th 2010 4:18PM
400 armor pen is just fine for MM. MM can out perform SV with the player gemming straight agility. The 800 arm pen that's thrown around is the number where players can start gemming for armor penetration, but you can switch long before then and still see a dps boost.
Frostheim May 20th 2010 5:03PM
Don't worry about your armor pen rating. That will affect your rotation and gem choices as MM, but as the article says, you don't "need" any specific armor pen in order for MM to perform better for you.
Jesse Felt May 21st 2010 5:58PM
Your ArPen rating makes a difference for when you switch from gemming Agility to gemming ArPen. I made the switch to MM back in ToC with a 232 weapon and like 275 passive ArPen.
Your best bet is going to be to spreadsheet it and see what comes of it, if MM shows a benefit on the spreadsheet, spend the 5 gold or whatever your respec cost is at and try it out for a week or two, just remember that you aren't going to magically be excellent at MM right off the bat, unless it is just a better match for how you play.