WoW Rookie: When Rookie Lane crosses Raider Boulevard

Today's WoW Rookie blows the whistle in a bit of traffic directing at the buzzing intersection of Raider Boulevard and Rookie Lane. This isn't a casuals-versus-raiders debate -- far from it. What we have today is more of a guide on how to peacefully co-exist with players who enjoy the game in a very different way than you do. While we've written on this topic before, reader Peter sent in a request that made us consider that it might be time to revisit the issue.
Hi! I just wanted to say I love the "WoW Rookie" column, and I've been playing since release! For someone who's kinda nervous about jumping into the LFG tool, your Grouping 101 article made it less nerve-raking for me to do so.
I don't know if you could even publish this, but I would LOVE to see an article on how new players can deal with elitists and being insulted in game about their gear and skill level. With all the new influx of players Cataclysm is expected to bring, it would be very helpful (for people like me too) to see how others deal with the various negative people in the game.
Thanks again for a great website and service!
--Peter
Thanks for writing in, Peter. Now that the game is designed to catapult players through their levels and then parachute them into raiding content, complete with emblem gear providing a solid base for performance, there's a whole new generation of players experiencing the madcap obsession we call raiding. Having spent more than my fair share of time pounding down Hardcore Raiding Boulevard and around Completionist Circle, I know how easy it is to become swept up in the fervor of The One, True Way. I write that facetiously, yes, but also in affectionate acknowledgement that hardcore, min-maxing devotion is a damn fun way to play this game.
It's when jaded end-game players become entangled with enthusiastic rookies that things get messy. Tempers flare when others aren't performing the way you want them to perform or taking the same approach to a common goal (say, a dungeon finder group). Ultimately, it all boils down to one simple fact: Amidst a variety of playstyles and player agendas, WoW is a social game designed to draw you into group activities; if you can't effectively and enjoyably interact with other players, you won't enjoy or succeed at the game. It's not about weeding out the "scrubs" or quitting your group in a huff because someone's GearScore is lower than yours; it's about figuring out how to adapt and enjoy playing with all different kinds of players as you come together in pursuit of a common goal.
We've written about these very issues many times before; I won't attempt to reinvent the wheel. Let's look, then, at a few perspectives on sharing the path with players who may be coming from a different point of view.
| You're doing it wrong A WoW rookie absolutely can still catch the curve, ride the wave and enjoy endgame content -- or not. Despite all the talk of playing "the right way," WoW is still very much an open-ended game in which you choose your own playstyle. The choice is yours. |
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| Time to smell the roses Don't let established players (especially the kids congregating in lower-level zones, endlessly mocking other players) make you feel smaller for enjoying the content at your own speed. |
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| Mismatched ambitions in the dungeon finder Making a spectacle of yourself by pitching a fit when others aren't serving your personal ambitions is ... embarrassing, to say the least. Still, let's consider a few observations about situations in which your groupmates' abilities seem especially mismatched. |
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| Keeping up with the Joneses What about the player in blues and greens who doesn't make mistakes, is perfectly pleasant and cooperative, but isn't putting out the numbers you think he or she should? Whether you choose to kick low performers or to press on, it's how you handle the situation that makes the group (and you) worth being around. |
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| Spoilsport speed demons What happens when the dungeon finder matches up a group of players with the right mix of roles but the wrong mix of goals? Who "wins" when veteran players want to speed-run a lower-level instance, while the new players want to savor every surprise and puzzle over every trick? |
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
Jamie May 20th 2010 9:04AM
Looking at the topic title & picture all I could caption this with was "this s*** just got real, real fast" but done in a Bad Boys 2 (a movie so bad its almost good) style.
popeguilty May 20th 2010 9:09AM
I make a point of sticking up for undergeared people in Heroics and ToC. They've got to start somewhere, and people making themselves feel good by yelling at people for not being magically bestowed with a 6K gearscore when they hit 80 does nobody any good.
L May 20th 2010 9:49AM
I go one step further. You berate the person with a 4.5k gs in my group and you will be the one getting vote kicked.
I queue as tank/heals and inevitably end up tanking.
I get the group to vote on doing extra bosses and if they want to we do it even if there is one elitist guy running ahead telling me to go faster faster faster.
There is no reason to be rude to people in LFD you are going to be there for 10-15 mins. If you can't suck it up and be polite for 10-15 mins then you have some issues you should be dealing with.
Tim {the other Tim} May 20th 2010 10:21AM
Yeah, like that one time in a pug VoA when that one uber raider starts complaining (you know the one) about the lowest gearscore member. Then when that member is either booted or leaves (maybe in tears) that uber raider says "Now the real raiders can raid." This is crazy land.
(cutaia) May 20th 2010 11:11AM
Even worse is when these types of folks hop on their alts.
While leveling my priest recently, our warrior tank (no BoA gear) wasn't exactly doing the best tanking job in Wailing Caverns. Instead of guiding him as to how he might be better, some elitist 7th-time-through-the-game prick just kept saying things like "u suk" [sic] and "ur a ****ty tank" [sic]. Like I said...he wasn't the best tank in the world, but it was freakin' Wailing Caverns and it's not like anybody died.
I did what I would recommend everyone do: I berated the elitist for being such a jerk to someone who is obviously learning how to tank. He didn't get it, of course. Instead he tried to defend his behavior by saying idiotic things like, "lol u can learn to tank by watching youtube lol," [sic] and eventually dropping group.
Related plea to elitist pricks everywhere: STOP PURPOSELY GIVING WRONG ANSWERS TO NOOB QUESTIONS IN TRADE CHAT! You people purposely make the game confusing for new people, then wonder why they still suck when they enter their first heroic. Figure it out, stupid.
Tim {the other Tim} May 20th 2010 11:24AM
@ (cutaia)
Thats why that website is called that! Elitist pricks sounds bad. That is a different website. Tastefull and classy.
maxthehazy May 20th 2010 1:29PM
In my experience the amount of vitriol being spewed about has drastically decreased over the past two months. I think that is due in part to most raiders having all the frost gear they want and not doing randoms as actively anymore. YMMV but generally *if* I see someone get chewed out its not about gear.
I generally don't care what kind of gear someone is wearing (tanks either as long as they are def. capped). I wouldn't fault a dps for dinging 80 and immediately queuing for a heroic. What I do expect is that a person who has hit level 80 understands the basics of group play and how to play their class. I expect a tank to be able to hold aggro on what he pulls. I expect a healer to be able to keep that tank up. I expect a dps to be able to do at least 1200 dps. Yes a dps doing less than 1.2k is a problem, I can do 1.2k with no gear on, I can do 1.2k while healing. I don't mind carrying someone through an instance, I do have a problem with dragging someone through.
yujie.max May 20th 2010 9:26AM
TL;DR
I think one of the easiest and best ways to deal with these people would be to simply ignore them. Their insults are meant to make their e-peen bigger, and if you don't acknowledge that the insults bother you, his e-peen doesn't get any bigger and he will start to throw tantrums.
And who doesn't like to see 13 year olds throwing tantrums in extremely broken English?
Grovinofdarkhour May 20th 2010 10:41AM
Watching 13 year olds throw tantrums in extremely broken English is what keeps me coming back. :)
Deathknighty May 20th 2010 5:39PM
I'm sorry, but I find it really irritating that any person who is acting like a complete dick towards a beginner in a game with a massive learning curve is branded "a 11/12/13 year old". It's not appropriate. As someone who knows what kind of actions are and aren't typical of a 12 year old, here is what you should and shouldn't look for when trying to identify one.
Typical of 11/12/13 year old:
-Seems to use smileys an lot
-May not be as bothered about spelling as some adults
-(if they're in your raiding guild, or something similar) Very talkative/joky in in-game chat, but inexplicably reluctant to go on/speak up on Vent, etc.
NOT definitive in regards to a 12 year old:
-Trollish
-Makes rape jokes very five seconds
-Yells at noobs for being new at the game
-Moany
-Spams recount/GS/achievement obsessively
The correct term to describe a stupid asshole is "stupid asshole", not "13 year old"!
/endrant
yujie.max May 21st 2010 1:32AM
So sorry. I apologize for my poor word choice. I meant to imply that it is usually the 13 year olds that are griefing somebody who has lesser time than them, not 13 year olds = griefer.
Blayze May 25th 2010 8:40AM
Indeed. Our guild's resident youngster is polite, friendly, shy and likes to use emoticons.
And when it comes to people being jerks to my fellow tanks -- especially when it comes to health -- I feel a special kind of hate.
louie May 20th 2010 9:41AM
As soon i saw this article i had to see what was said, as I am a new player that recently hit 80. As soon as I hit 80 it was a complete flip in how I was treated in PUGS and Raids, versus everything else under 80. I am a DK tank, but of course since no one is doing the old school raids, I got no experience tanking raids. It was a mad dash to get my tier 9 gear and hope that my gear score was to someone's approval to let me in ANY GROUP! It hasnt been easy, and I almost quit playing altogether, because I should be able to enjoy the game I paid for, instead I fail at tanking Ony and get called a MFER and all sorts of names. Im 28 years old, I know that i should just /ignore but it isnt easy. Everyone sees an 80 and assumes that player has played since beta, lol, and it isnt entirely true! I hit 80 in 3 months, I respectively do not know ANYTHING by comparison to the players that have seen the inside of FoS for a year or more! So why is it so hard to just cut someone a little slack? There really should be a server for noobs....a server for peoples who's account just opened, so that community can succeed and fail together, but grow and learn together, and just as such, there should be a server for the elite of the elite, so that they can wax poetic about gearscore and who tanked what instance the fastest, because after all isnt that what is the most important thing? JK I dont think so.
Grovinofdarkhour May 20th 2010 10:56AM
I don't think anyone takes a bigger sudden heap of unmerited crap than the just-finished-leveling tank. Kudos to you, I don't think I could do it. Part of it has to do with the poor attitudes of a lot of the uber-geared elitist tanks when they lower themselves to do heroics (which has been covered ad nauseam elsewhere). They've caused overall expectations on tanks to be raised and you're the one who gets the short end.
If you leveled tank/DPS, upon hitting 80 you could do randoms as DPS and use the emblems on tanking gear. But not so the dedicated tank. It's kind of like getting penalized for having known all along what you wanted to be when you grew up.
I leveled my druid feral, but tanking was minimal. Dual spec'd resto because the whole intent was for her to heal end-game. Because she's an alt and isn't getting daily activity I decided to redo her feral spec all-bear, because we're always short on tanks, and also figuring the feral tree is crossover enough to still do decent DPS soloing in bear form when needed. But a couple of bad experiences trying to learn to tank heroics and I haven't had her in bear form in probably two months. I'm lucky in that my main, a hunter, is a guild leader, so I have to be on him regularly. If the druid was my main, I might not be playing anymore.
Tim {the other Tim} May 20th 2010 10:57AM
I think at our worst moments, when we make mistakes or someone thinks that we have made them, we all turn into our scared, awkward, nervous 14 year old self. Doesn't matter how many grown up things you do, that feeling is always the same.
Brownb May 20th 2010 11:05AM
Don't feel bad, I went through the same thing with my DK. The best thing Ive found is using the random dungeon finder to queue up for specific dungeons. Start off with regular Utgarde Keep and Nexus, work your way up to Regular Halls of Reflection and Pit of Saron, and then start heroic tanking from Utgarde and Nexus. Once you can tank Heroic Halls of Reflection, you should be ready to jump in tanking TOC. Gear up there and you are set for Icecrown Tanking
Pyromelter May 20th 2010 11:42AM
Heroic Halls of Reflection is more difficult to tank in moderate gear than all of ToC25 normal, and is more difficult than at least the first 4 of ICC10, so I agree with the above posters. Also, keep in mind that tanking is the most stressful and important part of a raid, you are the keystone, so if you haven't experienced the encounters as a DPS, it makes it that much more difficult. If I could suggest anything, it would be to dual spec dps/tank, and get your DPS gear up to par first. Of course there's a zillion DK dps out there, but if you can just get one decent run of icc10, you can at least learn the encounters first hand, and you'll also have the achievement to post to people who want the achieve while forming groups.
Rob May 20th 2010 1:01PM
Yeah it is very hard to come into the game and suddenly be a pro tank at fresh 80. I am writing a series on the subject on my blog: http://doctorsofphilosophy.blogspot.com/
Essentially, if you want to plan your tanking, start thinking when you are 70. I have a plan, but this is my 2nd DK and 8th? 80. (Or something, I have too many to count). So I don't expect people just to 'get it' just like that. Assembling the tank set takes some effort. Learning to tank takes some effort. I am still learning alot (just started raid tanking), even after years of PUGing heroics.
Best bet is start tanking when you are 70 or heck 60 ,and learn the ropes, the very basics. Work up from there. The previous guy had it right, tank nexus/UK first, then work up from there. With normal dungeons nobody expects the mad zerg, and you'll avoid all those GS jerks.
Lastly, find a healer. Drag your friend/guildie with you. Find someone through your realm (maybe even ask in trade, although this also asking for abuse). Find someone who is overgeared and willing to help you. That will save you so much grief. And finally if the others have issues with your tanking, they can leave or kick you (in that case you have a instant queue and a chance for a nicer group). You absolutely will find the biggest jerks in LFD. Every once in a while my geared, and highly skilled DK, I get some complete jerk groups. It happens 1/10 runs or maybe 1 in 20. I imagine if I was a fresh 80 it would occur much more often.
Where to go for help. www.pwnwear.com has good DK tank forums. The official forums have stickies you should read (you probably don't want to post in them, its like trade chat). Elitist jerks has some info but its spread out and not really relevent for the newbie.
Also, ask your guildies, or find a skilled DK. Don't ask in trade, half the answers are wrong. Find someone who knows what they are doing and ask for a few minutes of their time.
RAGE May 20th 2010 10:32PM
Tanking is hard especially when you are a fresh level 80 tank. I told my GM the other night you learn to play your toon as you level then you learn it again when you hit 80. I have a level 80 pally ICC raiding tank. I still run the daily random to get the frosties and go for achievements and a lot of the time I end up in a PUG with people that have low gear scores and I ask if they are willing to do the achievements for the dungeon 9 out of 10 times they are. I never berate them of the gear score because "WE" were all there at one time. If one them becomes and ass hat over gear score I initiate a vote kick and I tell the group the game is about fun and I dont want to hear QQ'ing about a persons gear.
McRaider May 20th 2010 5:17PM
@ rob
I actually brought that to the next level when i was leveling my first toon (private servers don't count):RAF with a friend, he rolls a holy paladin and i a prot paladin. I have been prot for all the 61 days of playing on that toon and if something teaches you to tank, nothing will be better thbn that.