Drama Mamas: See ya around, buddy

No one wants to see a good friend move on. Gaming friends seem to come in two varieties: the kind who end up at your side in game after game, across the years ... and those who drift away as soon as your immediate goals diverge. Some of them end up on your Facebook page chatting about the kids, but most fade into obscurity so quickly you find yourself struggling to remember their names. Still, you can't force a good thing, as one Sad Panda discovers this week.
Hi Lisa & Robin, For the last few years I've been playing with a very close-knit group of friends, our play time with each other comes and goes as we go about our ever changing lives, (work, school, non-wow relationships), but we always keep in touch with email, and chat outside of the game. About a year or so ago we had the pleasure of including another person to our group. He's an all around great friend to have, and I think I can safely say for everyone that we've all enjoyed knowing and playing with him.
Now as you know we're in the pre-expansion dead zone right now. Either you're raiding to get to, or finish end game raids, farming for rep / skills / heroics / so on, or you shelve your main(s) and bust out a new toon to level up. I've chosen the latter, I have toons on both sides of the border and have been playing on the Alliance side for some time now and really felt like dusting off my Horde toons. So both my hubbie and I are stomping around with new toons, (and old), on the horde side and a few of our other friends have joined us.
Our new friend however has decided to keep playing with his Ali main and grind rep & emblems. He's said he doesn't like leveling new toons, and doesn't really feel the Horde, (brother needs to read some WoW lore if you ask me), anyways, that's all fine and dandy with us. We've told him to give us a holler if he wants us for anything. Randoms, quest help, pug raid, anything at all, and we'd be there in minutes... Our various IM clients are always open, we pop on our ali toons to check mail, grab BOA items, we're like "Right There" just like we've always been. And so as you can imagine, he's pretty much stopped talking to us. No longer IM's us and lately has even gone so far as to log off his main when we come on any Ali toon.
We've all tried talking to him, repeatedly saying we're available for anything, that we're leveling new toons to fill the gap and will be back on our mains come the Cataclysm, our hands have been out-stretched for weeks now and frankly my arm is getting tired. If we had decided to level new toons on the Ali side, (we already have several alts), I know you wouldn't be reading this wall of drama. But well.. there is it.
I know there's nothing more any of us can really do. I'm sure our new friend is feeling abandoned despite our best efforts to tell him other wise, and despite the fact that we see his name online on our IM clients every evening while we play. I hate to loose a good friend like this, but I'm out of ideas. Ladies, readers, any thoughts? -- Sad Panda on Zangarmarsh
Now, I'm not saying your friend wasn't probably a little miffed to be "abandoned;" that's really no secret at all, is it? But what you're failing to consider is that it's quite possible that he's perfectly content with the situation as it stands now.
Why isn't he taking your outstretched hands? Let's look at the possibilities:
- He's still pissed at being abandoned and doesn't want to have anything else to do with you.
- He's having a blast pursuing his own interests and feels awkward chatting now that you're not sharing mutual activities.
- He's having a blast pursuing his own interests and expects to reinvigorate the friendship if and when your play once again coincides.
- He's having a blast pursuing his own interests and is letting this relationship, which was based on shared activities, naturally fade.
What's important to realize, Sad Panda, is that no matter which of these is the case, reconnecting with you and the others right now simply isn't a priority for him. He knows you're there; he chooses not to reply. He doesn't need or want "help" in the game. Your insistence on prolonging these offers of assistance are creating drama where there is none. You're not smoothing things over -- in fact, you're doing just the opposite. You're stoking his feelings, whether those may be anger, awkwardness or even complete disinterest.
There's one more possibility we should cover. Your friend may in fact be a drama queen of the highest order and is holding out for you all to come crawling back, not only with arms and apologies outstretched but on bended knee, as well. I really can't cotton to coddling this type of numbskull. If your friend is this type of drama queen, your continued offers to help are fueling his righteous fire and setting the stage for an explosive drama-gasm when he feels it's finally time to castigate you for the sins of abandonment and accept your pleas for forgiveness. I don't recommend feeding that beast -- so again, even in this case, you've done and said enough already.
I do hope that you reconnect with this friend, Sad Panda. Some gaming friendships pass as quickly as the levels and the loot, while others persist across games and platforms. I know you're hoping for the latter. Until time shows which it will be, don't generate drama and awkwardness that will throw up walls between you. The ball's in his court.
Also, try not to judge his choices. If playing Horde sucks his fun, then he shouldn't do it. That doesn't make his fun any less valid than yours. As I write this, The Spawn is having fun washing her tea set. Washing. Scrubbing. Drying. Doing it all again. I don't see the fun in this at all. (But I do take advantage of it by having her help me with the household chores whenever safe. I'm no dummy.) As long as there is no harm done (and only a bit of wet to clean up afterward), I just let her pursue this "game." Allow your friend to pursue his Alliance bias. To each his own.
When (if?) you go back to your mains in Cataclysm, let his behavior be your guide. If he continues to give you the cold shoulder, then you know to just let him go. However, if he welcomes you back to the fold, then just carry on as before. Well, it won't be exactly as before, but that's to be expected. The point is, if he has no hard feelings for you taking a walk on the Horde side, then don't carry any hard feelings back for him not joining you there.
Now if you'll excuse me, it seems I have to inspect a clean tea set for dryness. /afk
Drama buster of the week
Internet vets know that joining a new group (forum, list ... guild) means zipping your lip for a good week or more until you get a read on the culture of the place. Don't assume the blue humor your raid leader just let loose into Vent is acceptable or even excusable from a new member. Put your best foot forward and build a reputation you can be proud of before you decide to let your hair down -- by then, others will appreciate that you have a good head on your shoulders and laugh along with you.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Drama Mamas






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
fearthefireblade May 21st 2010 9:10AM
The saddest thing in WoW is logging in and getting the "Friend removed because character no longer exists" message.
uncaringbear May 21st 2010 9:21AM
This. And most of the time, I have no idea which friend just disappeared into the nether :(
Grovinofdarkhour May 21st 2010 10:29AM
Can't figure it would take too much for them to have it instead tell you:
"Yourbuddymike removed from friends list because character no longer exists."
OR
"Yourbuddymike removed from friends list due to faction change."
OR
"Yourbuddymike removed from friends list due to server change."
C'mon, Blizz... real basic stuff.
Dave May 21st 2010 10:30AM
It's been happening a lot lately. I agree, I wish we at least knew who were losing. :/
Radioted May 21st 2010 10:39AM
Sad or alarming: I got that message last night and discovered my girlfriend's account had been hacked and her main toon deleted. Consternation followed!
ash May 21st 2010 1:03PM
Geez, I logged onto my alli main after not being on for a while and I got two weeks worth of people being removed from list.
tuff May 21st 2010 1:17PM
I think that cabonite will tell you when your friend goes awol. I know I have a lot of people on my cabonite pals list that their name is now in red and i assume that this means that they either server x-fered or changed factions. I am guessing that there are other addons that provide this sort of thing as well.
-Tuff
lywell May 21st 2010 2:11PM
I actually made a notepad file with my entire friend list, then in the same file, broke the list down by who is who (because out of 60 toons on my main's friend list, only about five of them don't have alts of some sort :p). I also did this because then I can sync my friend list across characters (I know there are addons that can do this, but the ones I've used before have been rather bad...so I just organize it myself! :D)
This, in conjunction with FriendsFu (which gives a counter, like "3/60" for three online toons out of a total of 60), allows me to see when the number of toons on my friend list has changed, and I can easily run through the list and spot who it was.
Because yes. This used to be a very sad thing for me too. I think Blizzard doesn't add who was removed for possible privacy reasons (the person faction transfers and doesn't want people to know, or transfers servers, or even deletes, etc)
Shrike May 21st 2010 8:44PM
There are two AddOns that can help with that.
First, if you want just something that tracks friends that get removed, I believe it's called "friends4ever".
Second, if you want a more robust friendlist replacement that includes the ability to sort into lists and toggle whether you want online notification or not, you can use HoloFriends, which will also tell you which friend was removed if any are removed.
Ratskinmahoney May 21st 2010 9:19AM
I'm a retard friend:
I can get on with people extremely well for years and years and then more or less completely lose touch because I've moved house or something.
Some people I think are just like this. It's not that I don't care about people or really enjoy their company, but rather that I'm quite a solitary person and find going out of my way to keep up regular communication to be somewhat stressful. This used to really irritate me, but now I just accept it. Other people know I'm like this, and I try to make it clear, and on the whole things work out pretty well. I have brilliant friends who I can not talk to for literally years and then bump into and take up again where we left off.
My friends don't take it personally if I go into seclusion for a couple of months, because I make it clear that that's what I'm like. I'm a bastard and I like my space.
jam May 21st 2010 9:41AM
I agree.
I'm not terribly anti-social but I would be a bit uncomfortable if people I know only in-game would start "pestering" me like that.
"... and find going out of my way to keep up regular communication to be somewhat stressful.."
I know the feeling. Especially if my in-game friends start sharing some RL stuff that I have no interest in hearing. I don't exactly want to tell them "shut up, I don't care", but it can make you feel like you're obliged to share something back. At that point I usually just tune them out, stop responding.
Luckily I know my best WoW friends in IRL also, and chatting with them doesn't bother me.
Prissa May 21st 2010 10:09AM
I find that I am also one of those people. But I don't think I've managed to handle it well with my friends like you have. It's not that I don't like people, and it's not that I prefer to be on my own, but if I have to go out of my way to make contact with someone it just feels like it shouldn't be happening anyway. I just moved to a new city about 2 or 3 months ago, and I haven't spoken to anyone back home since then - unless they call me :P My facebook page receives no activity for months at a time, because I just cbf to randomly spout useless greetings and happenings every few hours like my mates do.
dkhar May 21st 2010 12:09PM
I was basically going to say the same thing for this person that they can't get in touch with. He might be fine with talking to others when he has too, and be very good at it, but he may actually be a person who like the solitude more. Besides there could be something else going on as to why he isn't communicating. Not saying there is, but we never know when it comes to computer screens, or maybe he even sold his account, and that isn't the same person you used to know?
Stardusted May 21st 2010 1:18PM
I would also have to agree with this sentiment.
I'm not anti-social at all, but being social takes a lot out of me. I have multiple sclerosis, which makes it easy to become very fatigued, and doing the simplest of things can really tire me out, even basic communication.
Lots of people have things going on in their lives outside of WoW that they don't talk about. Knowing what it is like being disabled since the age of 20 and not being the "same" as most of the people in your social circle/age group can make you less likely to seek out communication with others. Sometimes its hard hearing things like "I've had a bad day because I couldn't get my favorite outfit cleaned in time for random social even inserted here" when you're thinking "I've had a bad day because I experienced nothing but physical pain for months and my legs stopped working so it looks like I'm stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of my life."
Granted those are extreme examples, but you get my drift (or maybe not, you know what they say about assumptions...)
If your interested in reading what its like for some people who are sick when it comes to social interactions, I suggest checking out: http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/personal-essays/the-spoon-theory-written-by-christine-miserandino/
Irem May 21st 2010 2:51PM
All of this. I remember abandoning a LiveJournal at some point because I had too much going on IRL (living paycheck to paycheck, having to walk to the library to use the computer because we had no computer, or even power in the apartment, hunger and stress), and coming back to it a few months later to find pages and pages of comments from a couple of casual friends I'd shared a comic book geekery with flipping out and demanding to know why I couldn't be bothered to update any more and "I thought we were friends," ect. I felt awful.
I sympathize with the friend that seems to be avoiding them in the letter writer's post. They mean well, but he's probably logging when he sees them because it's awkward for him to try to make small talk with them now, and doesn't want to justify not wanting to play Horde to them again. It could be that he feels guilty for not going with them, and they're (however unintentionally) making him feel worse for not knowing what to say any more. It may not be the right thing to do, but I would probably log most of the time too.
Stardusted, thank you for that link. I'm bookmarking it, it's very thought-provoking.
tabrez.iqbal May 21st 2010 3:15PM
"I have brilliant friends who I can not talk to for literally years and then bump into and take up again where we left off."
Many people take lack of communication as a sign for dead/dying relationship but for us solitary type of people, these are just different phases. My friends remain my best friends in my mind even if I haven't talked to them in months.
etoxins May 21st 2010 9:24AM
kinda get where they are coming
i raided with some friends for about one to two years
then i decided to realm transfer
im sure all kinds of reasons where thought up but i really just left because the low pop server and i wanted to lvl in a pvp server too
i popped in before my account expired to say goodbyes and chat and let them know i was planning on rerolling horde goblin shammy
i made it a point to let them know my reasons but not everyone does that (rude!)
but just know that 'its not you, its me'
basically, quit worrying over nothing
Moorit May 21st 2010 9:27AM
In all the time I've played wow, on all the servers I've played on, my friends and I have always made it clear that we're just a phone call away if anyone wants to group up. And in that time, none of us have ever given anyone else a phone call to see if they want to group up. We were never as accessible to each other as Sad Panda and his/her guildies, but we were still accessible.
I'm not sure why, but for me it was always a question of convenience for myself and the other person. If someone was online, on my server, I would assume that they wanted to play wow on that server and ask if they wanted to do something together. If someone wasn't online or on my server, I wouldn't - even if they had just told me two hours ago to call if I wanted to do something.
I do think the battle.net Real ID thing will change a lot of this. It will make it easier for SadPanda to chat with the friend they left behind. It will make it easier for my friends to pull me away from one character on another server to do something with our mains, too.
Tim May 21st 2010 9:40AM
I love the side note about "The Spawn." I hope to have my own here very soon.
And Sad Panda should also note that her friend just might not be looking in chat or the IM board even if he is logged on. I have a friend who I say things too all the time in chat and then, at a later date, I bring it up and he says "Oh, I wasn't even looking at the chat window." That could also be a reason for Sad Panda's friends lack of response. He could be so engrossed in killing Hordies in battlegrounds that he just doesn't even look down and to the left.
Gimmlette May 21st 2010 9:43AM
Dear Sad Panda, I've seen so much of this in my short career in WoW. You've done everything you could or should do to preserve a friendship. This strikes me similar to what happened to me over a decade ago when a neighbor moved to a different side of my 50,000+ town. Her kids started attending different schools than my daughter. Instead of meeting in our driveways after school, we had to call each other and arrange to meet. Over the course of 3 months, we drifted apart. Our names are still in the phone book. We live in the same houses. Our kids are back to being connected through Facebook, but I have not talked to her in years.
My advice is not to let this bother you. You have done everything possible short of pounding on his door and demanding he continue connecting, something I don't recommend. Friendships come and go. Look back over the time you knew him and savor the good. If you dwell on how he's not talking to you, you'll become bitter. If he were to join and guild and you were asked about him, you'll say something mean and that's not good for either of you.
Remember the ways he enriched your life and move on. Keep the door open. He knows where to find you. Azeroth isn't THAT big.