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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
5-23-2010 @ 11:44PM
BelfPriest said...
hey, dawn your articles can be pretty good, but WOULD U STOP ACTING LIKE EVERY HEALER IS A CHICK! Using words like her or she whenever referring to a priest, i don't know it just annoys me.
And ty on that thing about pallies and the bubble thing i didn't know that xD
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5-23-2010 @ 11:49PM
BelfPriest said...
I NEED A HERO! best healer singer ever!
5-23-2010 @ 11:49PM
Dawn Moore said...
lol--- That was completely intentional for this article. I figured it'd annoy all the boys. =)
5-23-2010 @ 11:53PM
Snuzzle said...
Actually Dawn, it kind of annoys me as a girl. I'm a bit sick of people perpetuating the stereotype of "boys tank, girls heal". Just my two copper.
5-24-2010 @ 12:11AM
Dawn Moore said...
In most of my articles I do actually switch the pronouns around a bit. I think my gemming article is the most recent, where in one paragraph I referred to a holy priest as male and a then in another as female.
I abhor using "they" in place of he or she in an attempt to be neutral. It's not grammatically correct, but there is no neutral pronoun in our language. Using he consistently is common in a lot of writing, almost to the point it's unnoticeable. That's something that bothers me. I rarely see authors switch it up, but when they do I suspect it stands out a lot more. Since I do it, that might be why you notice it more, but I wouldn't doubt it if I do lean a little bit more towards using she all the time. Just consider it from the angle of how women feel when all they see is he, him, and his in print media.
But I'm not trying to propagate a stereotype of healers being female, and other players as male. It is a coincidence that I am female and a healer - but in my writing about healers I may occasionally remind my readers I am a woman. I don't plan on conforming to conventional and superfluous cultural standards that imply the overarching usage of he/him/his is a neutral, non-confrontational way to write.
5-24-2010 @ 12:33AM
Kurash said...
Hell, I figured that Dawn was using feminine pronouns because she herself is female. A little bit of projection in one's writing is perfectly acceptable in my opinion.
5-24-2010 @ 12:33AM
Snuzzle said...
I usually refer to the general player as he or him, both in game and out. When have to refer to another player in the third person, and I am not sure of the gender, I will usually use masculine pronouns. That's not because I view it as a "neutral, non-confrontational" pronoun but simply because, well, most players are male. That's just a fact.
I agree that it's awkward to say they or their, English doesn't leave us much choice. I just see it as a bit annoying to see yet another healing column written as though women are the healers. Women heal, men tank. When I heal my female characters are usually referred to as "she," when I'm tanking on a female char I always get "he". It's irksome, but it's probably just a personal pet peeve, and I can understand that it's just as much a personal pet peeve to you to constantly see "he".
There really isn't a good solution to all of this, and mixing it up is probably the best you can do, which I do appreciate. I don't often read your articles I admit, but since my priest is almost 70 and I usually tank, I figured I'd give this one a read. So I can't say I noticed your switching the pronouns up, but I do appreciate that effort. I didn't notice it in this article, so I figured I'd chime in since the subject was already brought up :)
5-24-2010 @ 12:38AM
Dawn Moore said...
Last time I read an article on female gamer population, research was showing 40% of gamers are women. Maybe that's different in WoW, but I don't think the whole "there are more male gamers" thing will hold up for much longer.
Regardless, love is always neutral. ^_^ Tank x healer lover can be platonic or romantic. I've seen both and it's always beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JHAXqwRGoI
5-24-2010 @ 12:48AM
Snuzzle said...
My favorite healer is a guy, but he's gay, so I think it's mostly platonic :P
I've only seen the statistics for WoW and they still put women far, far behind men in terms of population. According to the Daedalus Project (which I love) 84% of players are male. 16% are female. Ouch.
Now granted, that was just a survey of part of the population, and it's almost 5 years old now. WoW has become far more popular since then, for both men and women. Perhaps your numbers are more recent and accurate. One can only hope.
5-24-2010 @ 2:15AM
Draniest said...
Dawn-
I hate to reply just to point this out and sound like a total douche, but "he" is in fact the neutral pronoun in english, and it is a true neutral pronoun. The issue comes in because many other languages have different ways of relaying gender information, and over the years political correctness has taken hold and so many believe and have begun to create this stigma that there are no neutral pronouns in english.
"He" as a neutral pronoun goes back to old english, where most of our modern day pronouns are derived from in the first place. "She" was not neutral, and did imply femininity. "He" was used to infer neutrality, with the context of surrounding discussion modifying it to be male. So then, a priest referred to as "she" is a female priest. A priest referred to as "he" is neutral until specifically stated that he is a boy. There is no rule in the centuries of english that has every said that "he" must be male, and quite a few that say otherwise.
Unless, of course, you're one of those same politically correct people that are really that hung up and misinformed on our language. After this great read, I hope that's not the case.
5-24-2010 @ 3:48PM
Terrant said...
@Draniest
I believe it's more accurate to say he/his/him -were- neutral pronouns. Languages lose the historical and original meanings of their words all the time. Given the contemporary context of the significance of gender, I think it's an oversimplification to rail against "political correctness". The standards for both "neutral language" are evolving just as much as English itself is.
5-25-2010 @ 5:29AM
Nirva said...
Backing Draniest on this one. Checking in dictionaries (I've checked Reader's Digest and the Oxford English Dictionary) it seems in both 'American English' and 'British English' the word 'he' either is the pronoun used to refer to last male mentioned / implied, or refers to either a male or a female if the sex is never stated.
So technically Draniest is right, however Terrants's point is equally valid.