Shifting Perspectives: Applying, part 2

Before patch 3.3.3, I would have asked whether you had a Mangle bot for whatever DPS records you supplied, but that's no longer necessary.
- Did you provide a World of Logs entry or other third-party record of your raid performance? This one's close to non-negotiable for many raiding guilds.
- Are you properly specced? As with the bear, speccing a cat is pretty straightforward, and assuming you're using a PvE spec, the only real differences are between specs with more or less AoE damage.
- Are you hit- and expertise-capped? At lower gear levels, this isn't hugely important because so much of the cat's DPS relies on bleeds and specials. It's more of a concern as you advance to Icecrown-quality gear and your white hits become truly potent. Because you should always be behind a mob, you only need to worry about the expertise soft cap (26). Both the bear and cat are considered 1H weapon attackers, so your hit cap is also 263.
- Are your gem and enchant choices an appropriate reflection of your gear? This is directly related to your passive armor penetration and what kind of trinkets you have. Do you have a trinket with a huge armor penetration proc?
- How well did you do on fights like Deathbringer Saurfang and Festergut? Both fights are considered benchmarks for melee DPS, and Saurfang is arguably the best "cat fight" in the entire raid. You should have some of the highest numbers of your career here. If you don't, what happened?
- How well did you do on fights like Blood Princes and Sindragosa? Melee DPS is somewhat of a liability on these encounters, particularly on their heroic versions (doing heroic Blood Princes with a lot of melee one week was enough to send our raid leader to the nuthouse). Just as I'm interested in seeing how you well you did on good "cat fights," I'm equally interested in seeing what kind of damage you can pump out on fights where the deck's stacked against you.
- What raid buffs were available to you for the DPS you're claiming? Most of the jaw-dropping cat numbers you'll see on third-party sites are the result of experience, good latency, smart trinket, cooldown and proc exploitation, a high crit rate and getting buffs like Hysteria. For all I know, your WoL record comes from a night when the enhancement shaman didn't show up, the death knight was selling Hysteria to the highest bidder, your internet sucked or you got bitten last on Lana'thel. Nobody wants or needs a bunch of excuses if you turned in terrible numbers, but when you're pointing to specific encounters as an example of what you can do, put the fights in context for us. What was going on in the raid that night that had any effect, good or bad, on your DPS? In other words, if we put you in those same circumstances again, how repeatable is your performance?
- Do you have any experience tanking, and if so, what's your bear set like? You will almost certainly be asked to tank at some point.
- Are you good at "staying out of the fire?" Cats have some of the best "Oh s&%t!" buttons available to melee DPS: Barkskin, Survival Instincts (if you're an end-game raider, you should have it), Dash, Tranquility if the healers are getting pasted, and -- if all else fails -- Bear Form and Frenzied Regeneration. If I go through your logs seeing a pattern of early deaths -- either one-shots because you did something dumb, or slower deaths where you didn't blow anything to survive -- what that tells me is you don't take responsibility for your own survival in a raid. As a healer, that doesn't give me warm, fuzzy feelings.

Due to how quickly healing efficiency outscales tank HP and the demands of the average raiding encounter, guilds are typically more lenient with the gear requirements for healer applicants.
- Are you properly specced? As with the bears and cats, I want to see a player who knows what he's doing. I'm open to eccentric choices more than most raiders are -- I'd be the world's biggest hypocrite if I weren't -- but if you're making unorthodox spec or glyph choices, I want to hear your reasoning.
- Are you haste-capped? This is the biggie. You should be haste-capped, or -- if your gear simply doesn't allow for it -- you should be making an obvious effort. A restoration druid who's far below the haste cap will spend way more time than the rest of the heal team on the global cooldown and thus unable to cast. That doesn't help your prospective raid on encounters with insane raid damage, and there are a lot of them in ICC. If you don't seem to be prioritizing +haste on your gear, it could just be that you've had lousy luck with drops, but we don't know that unless you provide an explanation.
- What's your raid-buffed MP5? Blizzard's acknowledged that healer efficiency is too good, but that doesn't mean you get to ignore your mana. Mana-intensive fights like Arthas, Lana'thel, Blood Princes and Festergut can and will run you OOM if you're not careful.
- How fast are you? This one's tough to quantify, but it's getting easier to figure out with the advent of mods like PhoenixStyle. If we PUG with you and you're consistently one of the fastest healers to heal Incinerate Flesh on Jaraxxus, decurse on Lady Deathwhisper or heal Vile Gas on Festergut, you can probably handle stuff like Pact of the Darkfallen and Harvest Soul.
- What's your throughput like on fights like Twin Valks, Festergut and Lana'thel? These fights are tailor-made for resto druids: consistent, widespread raid damage that's not too bursty, where HoTs are virtually guaranteed to have low overheal.
- What mods and macros do you use? The basic UI isn't that great for healers, although some of the criticism is a bit overblown; a competent healer with nothing but the default raid frames can still blow an inexperienced one out of the water. That said, addons like Grid, Clique, Vuhdo, Healbot, SmartRes and buffing mods will give you a lot more information about what's happening to the raid, and -- more to the point -- can be heavily customized. Trees are very dependent on these mods because so much of our healing is through HoTs that have to be tracked closely.
- What job are you used to doing? The vast majority of resto druid are being used as raid healers, but you might be coming from a 5-man healing background or a guild where you were a tank healer, or coming from a raid healing background to one where a guild needs a tank healer. Are you OK with respeccing and reglyphing for the demands of each role?
- Do you have experience on difficult healing encounters? One of the reasons that my guild dislikes revisiting heroic Anub'arak in ToGC-25 is that we've picked up a few new healers during our time in ICC, and Anub is a terrible fight for them. If you have -- or can get -- experience healing things like a three-tree Freya, Firefighter, a hard-mode Yogg, ToGC-10 or -25, or any heroic Icecrown encounters other than Gunship, that's a big plus.
Every week, Shifting Perspectives treks across Azeroth in pursuit of truth, beauty and insight concerning the druid class. Sometimes it finds the latter, or something good enough for government work. Whether you're a bear, cat, moonkin, tree or stuck in caster form, we've got the skinny on druid changes in patch 3.3, a look at the disappearance of the bear tank, and thoughts on why you should be playing the class (or why not).





Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
wiredclimber May 25th 2010 5:36PM
Fantastic article as always Allison. I agree that the "Kill Shot Test" is a good way to get a preliminary feel for a prospective guild.
Regarding World of Logs entries, be sure to save a screenshot from time to time of boss battles you've been in. You never know when they might be deleted or disappear.
lownwolf May 25th 2010 5:35PM
another great post! People need to spend more time on their guild applications, you're little note about how much time you spend on the application being a sign of how much time/effort you'll put into raiding is a great one.
however, I will add one thing about tanking. A full set of frost resist gear isn't really necessary if the guild is not doing hard modes. The (most recently) 20% buff should be enough to take care of the extra frost dmg from not having one. The true key behind your advice to have that frost set remains true tho, Tanks should be prepared for anything. Personally, I roll with a full Tank, dps, and heal set of gear, all gem'd and chanted accordingly. I bring extra gems and chants for drops, and ALWAYS have flasks and glyphs for all three specs.
Regrettably, as a tank your performance seems to matter a lot more. If a dps makes a mistake, it's possible for other dps to pick up the slack. A tanks mistakes are much more visible and deadly. The guild will know by the end of the first raid if they want to keep you or not, and being prepared for anything they'll throw at you is a great first step.
Dave May 25th 2010 5:35PM
You play your druid like I play mine. I wish I had the time to be in an invested guild like yours, or that there was a 'casual hardcore' guild on my server. I miss bear tanking so much, but real life got in the way around TOC. I love my kitty and tree, but I miss bear, and just can't bring myself to the vertical gear climb that from Naxx/Uld bear gear to current. I know you all will suggest running heroics and all, but, no time.
The off-topic stuff aside, awesome article, and if the average guild applicant takes even half your advice, they will be much better for it. This stuff doesn't just apply to druids, cull out the druid specific references, and you have a great guide on how to properly apply for a guild.
And for those who say applying for something in a game is stupid(I used to be one of them), that's cool, don't apply to guilds. But don't troll either.
Nate May 25th 2010 5:43PM
Forgive my ignorance - my guild, while good, wouldn't be considered ######## (11/12 10m, 9/12 25m, both normal) - but I must ask: how important is a resist set? My tanking career doesn't span as long as many tanks' (I started in WotLK; I play a blood (tanking) DK), but I've never used a resist set. I'd heard stories about the horror that was Vanilla tank gearing and "endless resist sets," but I had thought that concept/need had died off. I downed Sindragosa 10m without ever giving it a thought, and I hadn't considered the idea until I read that you desired a resist set for your guild's tanks. Are they expected to have two sets of ICC-level tanking gear (I just finished getting all ilvl 264 for mine, and I couldn't imagine doing it all over again)? Is this a common expectation for tanks in all/many tiers of raiding (frost resist in Naxx, nature resist in Ulduar...) among top-end progression guilds? Thanks!
Nate May 25th 2010 5:45PM
Ugh, sorry. ######## should be HC, my computer disliked the nonabbreviated version, apparently.
lownwolf May 25th 2010 5:53PM
As I said above, if you're not going to be trying hard modes, not having the resist set is perfectly fine.
However, you're not really expected to have a "ICC iLevel" resist set. If you're worried about it, get a couple of the polar pieces from your local leatherworker and gem them with stam and you'll be fine.
Nate May 25th 2010 7:20PM
You posted your first comment while I was typing my question, so I didn't see it. This is a lot easier than I'd thought - I'm just going with the 3 Icebane items (I wear plate) and the Titanium Frostguard Ring, all gemmed and enchanted normally (stamina) (the highest resist gem was only 5, and that's not worth the cost of 30 stamina). I'm assuming this is all I would need for heroic mode, too? My guild should get to Sindragosa on 25m this week or the next, so I'll get to try it out soon. Thanks for the help.
Kaphik May 25th 2010 5:52PM
"Raiding guilds don't care about your GearScore."
Really? I've got a very well geared priest, about as geared as you can get from running 10 man raids who can't get into a good 25 man guild because my gear isn't high enough.
Other than that, great article.
comedown May 25th 2010 6:10PM
@ Kaphik
She's right. While it might have been better said "Raiding guilds *worth applying to don't care about GearScore," she's right.
I'm guessing there is more to why you're not getting in than your gear (not being able to provide a WoL, lack of experience, crappy application etc.) that is keeping you out of the guilds you are applying to - if not, and GS really is the deciding factor - then they aren't "good guilds."
Now, if you're applying to guilds working on H-PP or H-LK and you have a 5k GS, its pretty clear you lack the 25man ICC raid experience to come in and immediately contribute.
Dysmorphia May 25th 2010 6:43PM
Raiding guilds don't care about your Gear Score but they do care about your *gear*.
If a guild is working on 25ICC HM and you don't have mostly 25ICC gear already, chances are, you are not going to be an asset to their progression.
You have to take a hard look at your gear and experience and apply to a guild that is at the appropriate level of progression for the gear of your character and your experience as a player.
Wump May 25th 2010 5:59PM
This is a fantastic article. Not only great info for applicants, but this also gave me some good ideas as a relatively new Guild Leader! I run a small 10 player guild, and whenever we recruit our applications get little real effort from people. Those that did put the effort in have turned out to be the most motivated and have the best attendance.
MrJackSauce May 25th 2010 6:02PM
Good article Allison. Might even spur me on to find a better guild! The one I'm on has been working on Sindragosa for 2 months now and they keep screwing up the same things over and over again so I lost my faith in raiding in general. But now I might just bail and find a new guild. I know that sounds bad but hey, when it's time to go you know, right? :)
Dysmorphia May 25th 2010 6:55PM
Excellent advice for those thinking of applying to a raiding guild, not just druids.
By the way, spot on about late in the raid/expansion cycle being an excellent time to apply to a raiding guild. My guild has had to kick up recruiting a notch due to the dread terrors "real life" and "burnout" and I know we're not the only one.
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Jusdruit May 25th 2010 6:56PM
On behalf of the entire Moonkin Community...WTF?!?! ;)
Great article.
theRaptor May 25th 2010 8:09PM
/Dr Evil.
I have eliminated the Moonkin!
Kavu May 25th 2010 11:16PM
same =/
Merch May 26th 2010 1:31AM
A someone who has never played a Druid past level 15, even I was like WTF with no boomkin notes.
Allison Robert May 26th 2010 2:46AM
Heh. You guys will have to ask Tyler about his thoughts concerning raid applications as a moonkin. I love playing balance but I only ever raided on it once or twice in BC, so I don't consider myself well-versed in what to look for.
tlgemieu May 26th 2010 3:50AM
Even if you don't know that much about applications regarding moonkins, it is still kinda rude to just leave them out of the article all together. I think a mention of that at least would have been nice (I've noticed a lack of moonkin support from the Shifting Perspectives articles, including the one about upcoming changes to druid talents).
Besides that point, a good article. Just remember that even if you don't know something, you should at least give it a passing mention.
Allison Robert May 26th 2010 4:00AM
@tlgemieu
Shifting Perspectives is actually split into Tuesday and Friday columns now, and if you're looking for moonkin-oriented material, be sure to check every Friday. Tuesday covers bears, cats, and trees, and Friday covers moonkin. The Friday column is also written by Tyler Caraway, a.k.a Murmurs, the famous druid theorycrafter and forum poster.
If Tyler weren't writing the Friday columns I would have included moonkin here, but in general you will only find bear, cat, and tree information in the Tuesday column. Because they now have a column of their own, moonkin tend to get mentioned in the Tuesday column only in passing if I'm discussing an issue that affects all four specs. Otherwise, covering the other three keep me pretty busy!
If you'd like Tyler to do a similar article on applying to raiding guilds as a moonkin, feel free to drop a comment on any of his columns or just email him (his contact info should be on our staff page -- you'll see the links on the right sidebar). We're very much open to suggestion on what topics you'd like to see covered.