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5-28-2010 @ 11:10AM
I know it's been mentioned, but yes - the ganking and imbalance almost always is in favor of the horde. A story was posted right here on wow.com just a while back with stats, and as it turns out there's something like a 65% horde to 35% alliance population on PvP servers, so this isn't just perception. I'd been suggested here that the reason for this are racials... I disagree.I started playing WoW when a friend got me in to it on Deathwing-US-PvP right at the beginning of TBC. I had played all of the Warcraft series, but remembered next to none of the lore. Arthas' was about all I could remember. Since all my friends were Alliance, that's what I rolled. Pretty soon I became an alt whore, and had characters of each race and all ten slots filled. All the cinematics for each race got me excited every time I rolled a new toon. The story made me want to level this new mage/hunter/priest in to a badass because there was a noble purpose to be serving in the Alliance.A friend of mine who plays Horde on another server kept telling me that the "Alliance aren't the good guys, and the Horde aren't the bad guys." As an experiment I went to go roll a hordie to see what the vibe was. With only the exception of the Tauren, there was not one "starting cinematic" that wasn't about revenge, fury, bloodlust, backstabbing, tension, anger, and malaise... even within the faction. I was sort of surprised. I had believed my friend. I assumed the stories would be about honor, and defending a way of life, etc. Point of all this? The kind of person that wants to gank and grief would be far more drawn to the story lines of the horde (especially if, like me, they didn't know the lore inside and out, and only knew what they saw during their opening cinematic). Do some Ally's do stupid crap, gank, and grief? Yes... but it's not part of the Alliance lore and culture to do so. The same can not be said for the horde.
5-28-2010 @ 11:26AM
I emphatically disagree. The Horde races are about honor and defending their way of life. You have to look at more than just the cinematics. Look at the lore, the quests in-game, read up on their leaders, etc.
5-28-2010 @ 11:36AM
"The same can not be said for the horde."Sorry, that's just self-delusion. There's at least as much, and probably a lot more treachery and betrayal on the Alliance side's lore.
5-28-2010 @ 11:41AM
Ugh.Please read what I wrote, instead of responding the same way you've been trained to in lore arguments.Go watch all the opening cinematics again to refresh your memory. Take the perspective of someone without vast, extensive knowledge of lore. Please be reasonable and logical here, and answer this question:I'm Jonny Angrywannagank. I want to play WoW. Which faction will I chose?Honestly...
5-28-2010 @ 12:00PM
>I know it's been mentioned, but yes - the ganking and imbalance almost always is in favor of the horde. A story was posted right here on wow.com just a while back with stats, and as it turns out there's something like a 65% horde to 35% alliance population on PvP servers, so this isn't just perception<I don't recall this story. Do you have a link?
5-28-2010 @ 12:23PM
Sorry, can't find the wow.com story either, perhaps I saw it on the realm forums - in any event here's a link:http://www.warcraftrealms.com/quickstats.phpClearly shows that Horde = 63% of the PvP realm players and Alliance = 37%. That's about two to one. Interestingly, its almost exactly reversed on PvE servers. I truly and honestly appreciate lore nerds. They have an understanding and enjoyment of the game in a way I never will. But the truth is that they are the minority. The vast majority hears the terms "Horde" and "Alliance" and are inherently drawn to one or the other. After watching a cinematic or two, it's usually locked in one way or the other. Almost no one goes off and reads all the lore first.Since we're talking about reactions to specific words... what words are usually associated with "horde" and which words do you usually see with "alliance"? Horde is usually lead or followed by words like "rampaging", "angry", "violent", "unruly". In fact, I have trouble thinking of a positive sentence where "horde" is the subject. Can you?Alliance is usually associated with coming together and is used by banks and companies to convey an image of trustworthiness. It's usually surrounded by words like "Alliance for Nonprofit Management", "Donor Alliance", "Global AIDS Alliance". I struggle equally to think of a sentence in which "alliance" is the subject and is a negative thought. Point is, if you know NOTHING of the lore, you know those words. From the first moment certain personality types are driven to each one.
5-28-2010 @ 12:47PM
P.S. I'll remind you of the races for each faction (no lore included):Alliance:- Human: What every WoW player ACTUALLY is.- Gnome: Tiny little goofy-lookin' dude with a high-pitched voice- Dwarf: Beer-guzzling Scottsman of short, stocky stature- Night Elf: Ttall, skinny, soft-spoken- Draenei: Goat men with a penchant for spewing out philosophyHorde:- Orc: Giant green-skinned, fanged creatures- Undead: Zombies- Tauren: Hulking bull-people. I'll give you that they're the least "hordie" of the horde- Trolls: Giant tusked, hunched over, slinky race- Blood Elves: Like Night Elves, but with more blood
5-28-2010 @ 12:42PM
Well, as Blizzard will tell you, WarcraftRealms doesn't have all the data.Check some of the PVP realms data directly. Many, if not most of them have minimal submissions data.I would be quite leery of relying on them.
5-28-2010 @ 7:12PM
Time for the Tauren and Draenei to split off (maybe with the Worgen?) and start a third faction...
5-28-2010 @ 8:35PM
I have to agree with Enigma here. Specifically, I'm remembering the quest chain in Icecrown where you're sent from Crusader's Pinnacle to question a dying soldier, and then off to your faction's flying ship to report your findings. Talking to the dying soldier it's revealed that the Alliance were attacking the gates, the Horde came up behind them under cover of a blizzard and killed them all, and then the Scourge killed anyone left over.When your Alliance character reports this to the Alliance captain, he rants a bit about those dastardly orcs and sends you off to kill some Horde players in retaliation. When your *Horde* character reports this, the orc captain (I can't recall his name right now) says "HA! THAT is what it means to be HORDE!"So even Horde questgivers approve of ganking the Alliance. They played right into the hands of the Lich King ...
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