Drama Mamas: Divorce drama
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I think it's pretty much impossible to avoid drama when it comes to divorce. Even if it's an amicable breakup, there are still the issues that caused the breakup as well as situations that must be dealt with as a result of the split. This week, Divorced asks who gets custody of the guild?
Drama Mama Robin: Divorce sucks. Duh. It sucks worse, though, when it's not amicable and one of the disputed territories is your form of escape. In a guild, if one of the couple is higher ranked, it is customary for the lower ranked person to leave (though friendship with guildies can of course be maintained outside of the guild). But you were both ranked the same and therefore that very easy custom couldn't be used. It seems to me that you did the right thing to avoid drama. But divorce = drama and so some is bound to happen. No matter what, it's painful. But here are some tips for others in your situation to get through it:
Drama Mama Lisa: In fact, this situation is yet another clear-cut example of how WoW is "real life." Marriage, friendships, divorce, change ... They're all here online, too, real as can be. To pretend anything different is to deny that World of Warcraft is a game that's designed to be played with other people.
The Drama Mamas receive many, many more letters than we can possibly print each week. One common element is that letter-writers almost always know what they should do; in writing their letters, they're actually working through their decisions or seeking affirmation that they recognize the right choice. A disturbing portion of writers, however, are playing a chilling game: They're pretending that because these situations are happening online with people they've not met in person, this somehow excuses them from responding in a socially responsible, socially acceptable manner. They're fishing for excuses for self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing behavior. They try to wriggle out of responsibility for their social actions online, or they try to pull tricks on their online friends they'd never dream of trying to their faces.
I say this not to imply anything at all about Divorced's specific situation but rather to point out that what happens in face-to-face interactions happens here in WoW's social arena, too. The same issues that couples deal with in real life follow them online into their guilds and friends lists. Problems get more complicated when players try to pretend they don't have to give these situations the attention they deserve. If the Drama Mamas column has shown us anything at all, I'd like to hope that it's shown us that people are people, online or off.
Divorced, I agree with Robin: The best way to handle this type of situation is to keep the discussions and arguments outside the game. However, expect that it will affect things in game and expect that some friends may choose to cut ties or merely awkwardly drift away. People generally rise to your expectations; if you treat this issue as something to be handled in a discreet, appropriate manner offline and keep the focus on gaming, others will follow your lead.
Dramabuster of the Week: Don't buy gold! The drama caused by account theft is nasty and affects many. So don't support the scammers. Please.
Remember, your mama wouldn't want to see your name on any drama. Play nice ... and when in doubt, ask the Drama Mamas at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.
I think it's pretty much impossible to avoid drama when it comes to divorce. Even if it's an amicable breakup, there are still the issues that caused the breakup as well as situations that must be dealt with as a result of the split. This week, Divorced asks who gets custody of the guild?
Hello Drama Mamas,
This story of mine actually happened 2 years ago and is over, but at the time it was tumultuous and I thought maybe you could offer some insights or "how-to's" in your column for anyone who might be going through a similar situation.
I've been playing WoW since its release along with my now ex-husband. We leveled characters more or less together and when we reached 60 he sought out and joined a raiding guild. I wasn't sure I was ready for end game raiding but was accepted into his guild under the friends and family plan. I ended up loving it and the guild we joined and we remained there through BC. By that time the guild had gone from being a top server 40-man power house, to a much smaller guild run by the friends who'd been there since the Vanilla days. My ex and I were both officers (class leaders) in the guild and were good friends with all the other officers. We'd even had one couple to our house in RL for a New Years holiday one year.
And then my ex went through an early mid-life crisis where he suddenly decided that he didn't want to be married anymore and wanted to move out and sow his wild oats. He moved out less than a month after this announcement without allowing any attempt at counseling or the like. I was, needless to say, devastated by this sudden behavior change and wanted to seek comfort from my WoW friends along with those in the real world. And therein lay the problem. My ex also wanted the WoW friends for himself.
Our WoW friends were stuck in the middle of 2 people they'd been close friends with. I didn't want to pressure them to take sides, but my ex seemed to have no such issue and, I later learned, frequently spouted off to them about all my short comings that "drove him away." Mostly my friends didn't believe his inflated version of the facts, but, being very non-confrontational people, just sat quietly whenever he'd do these things rather then stand up for me.
Things continued on for a little while like this, with my ex and I awkwardly ignoring each other in game whenever our paths happened to cross. Our friends tried to do their best to spend equal, but separate, time with both of us but in some situations that just wasn't possible. After the separation, I joined a gym and started working out every day after work, which usually put me home and logging on at approximately the same time every night. My ex quickly picked up on my schedule and began trying to engage our friends in a dungeon run approximately 5-10 minutes before I logged in so as to ensure that he'd "claimed them for the night" before I came online.
Again with our friends being non-confrontational, they didn't feel able to say no when he was begging them for a dungeon run, so this tactic left me fending for myself for several nights. Eventually, our friends tired of his game and began just pretending to be AFK when he'd begin this routine. Ultimately my ex got fed up with not getting his way in-game and announced that I'd ruined his favorite pastime and turned all our friends against him so he was quitting, and the problem went away. I continued on with that guild through Wrath.
But my question is, could this have been handled differently? Must friends in-game choose sides in these disputes? What happens with the guild caught in the middle of 2 waring officers? Signed, Divorced
- Keep all relationship discussions out of the game. Whether you are talking to your ex or your guildies, don't talk about the breakup or anything negative about your ex in game. If you are working out some issues, handling a confrontation or using a guildie's shoulder to cry on, you should talk about these subjects either in person, on the phone or via some other online method. Keep WoW about WoW.
- Don't rise to the bait. No matter how many ways your ex tries to pull you into his antics, avoid lowering yourself to that level. Yes, he is trying to provoke a reaction. Don't give it to him. If you can't avoid it and must say something to make it stop, don't break rule number one to do it. Take it out of game and handle it there.
- Let your behavior be everyone else's guide. If you are a class act and keep your cool in the face of adversity, you will win the admiration of your friends and guildies. Your ex's tactic of forcing them to choose sides will backfire on him.
- You can't always get what you want. It takes both of you to make it work, so if one doesn't want to get back together -- it's just not going to happen. Also, no matter what you do, some of your friends are going to take his side. If he doesn't leave on his own accord, you may have to leave the guild yourself. It sucks, but you're going to have to accept quite a bit of loss.
The Drama Mamas receive many, many more letters than we can possibly print each week. One common element is that letter-writers almost always know what they should do; in writing their letters, they're actually working through their decisions or seeking affirmation that they recognize the right choice. A disturbing portion of writers, however, are playing a chilling game: They're pretending that because these situations are happening online with people they've not met in person, this somehow excuses them from responding in a socially responsible, socially acceptable manner. They're fishing for excuses for self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing behavior. They try to wriggle out of responsibility for their social actions online, or they try to pull tricks on their online friends they'd never dream of trying to their faces.
I say this not to imply anything at all about Divorced's specific situation but rather to point out that what happens in face-to-face interactions happens here in WoW's social arena, too. The same issues that couples deal with in real life follow them online into their guilds and friends lists. Problems get more complicated when players try to pretend they don't have to give these situations the attention they deserve. If the Drama Mamas column has shown us anything at all, I'd like to hope that it's shown us that people are people, online or off.
Divorced, I agree with Robin: The best way to handle this type of situation is to keep the discussions and arguments outside the game. However, expect that it will affect things in game and expect that some friends may choose to cut ties or merely awkwardly drift away. People generally rise to your expectations; if you treat this issue as something to be handled in a discreet, appropriate manner offline and keep the focus on gaming, others will follow your lead.
Dramabuster of the Week: Don't buy gold! The drama caused by account theft is nasty and affects many. So don't support the scammers. Please.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
tonz0phun May 28th 2010 5:05PM
Yea when my exwife and I split up last year she ended up faction swapping to horde and transferring to a whole other server. All I did was take 6 months off from WoW to reorganize my life.
Jack Miles May 28th 2010 5:39PM
Would have been fun if all that had happened was she faction swapped. Especially on a PvP server.
Dan828 May 28th 2010 6:15PM
We had a case in my guild where a gal broke up with her husband, divorced him, and then moved several hundred miles away and married the guild master of our guild. Her ex transfered off server because he didn't want to see her in game anymore, even though he was not in our guild. Everything was fine for a while, except that she ended up being what amounted to the co-GM, and drama ensued from that later on, which ultimately killed the guild. Wasn't so much the divorce and break up as personality conflicts with core guild people that caused the drama, but still, it was a weird situation for a while.
Cerrena May 28th 2010 5:15PM
I was an officer in a guild once who was in charge of new recruits. One such new recruit gave me the name of an existing member as a reference. When I asked her about him, she said, "Oh he's my ex-husband". Given that her current husband was also in the guild, my next question was "Won't that cause drama?" But their divorce was years old and from what I could tell had been quite amicable. Despite my concerns, they all seemed to co-exist quite well. So it can work out. But all sides have to bring the correct attitude to the table. If it's one sided, the best you can hope for is to rise above it.
Kat May 28th 2010 5:39PM
Fucking Christmas miracle. What is this 'amicable divorce' thing you speak of?
KrisseyB May 28th 2010 6:16PM
My husband and I are in the process of an amicable divorce. We were terrible together, but make very good friends apart. We txt and joke on a daily basis, but when we lived together it was all fighting.
We actually have been in separate guilds since we started raiding. It just worked better for us to have separate friends and guilds.
Tirrimas May 28th 2010 5:16PM
Divorced probably handled it the only way she could have, considering the circumstances. Her friends probably did, too. That doesn't make it any less awkward.
Like Robin said, the bad-mouthing and mud-slinging usually backfire. As much as it hurts when it's going on, staying out of it and refusing to give in proves you're the better person in the end, and reasonable people will recognize that. The ones that choose to believe it were never your friends to begin with and you're better off without them.
Abbadon May 28th 2010 5:21PM
I expected a whole other type of story...
My wife hates this game and has threatened divorce because of it. She has even taken my authenticator a few times. She's not entirely unjustified as I won't deny playing more than I should, but she's come to realize I'm not giving up WoW any time soon.
Kat May 28th 2010 5:40PM
...I guess that you have your priorities.
shotiechan May 28th 2010 7:11PM
Uh...you should probably quit or at least cut back. But it speaks volumes about you that you are clearly putting the game ahead of your wife. No wonder she's threatened to divorce you. What's sad is she's sending you a very loud message that you are choosing to ignore in favor of playing a game.
The Drama Mamas have even covered this topic before; you need to work out a compromise with her, so that she respects your hobby and gives you time to play, but you learn how to put your big kid pants on and budget your time so she doesn't feel so desperate to save her marriage she's hiding your Authenticator.
At least she's trying to work with you; she hasn't just destroyed the stupid thing yet in order to get your attention.
Molly May 28th 2010 8:22PM
I'd divorce you, who wants a husband who cares more about a game than their life partner? Classy.
Namus May 29th 2010 3:58AM
This happens when you screw your priorities hehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJVBsUX-zCM
Hoggersbud May 29th 2010 11:49AM
I think a lot of people are overlooking the wife's bad behavior here. She hides his authenticator...that speaks to me of somebody who is controlling and manipulative.
You can argue all day long about the priorities of the husband, but let's not forget that an argument is a two-way street.
Tanderous May 28th 2010 6:05PM
"Dramabuster of the Week: Don't buy gold! The drama caused by account theft is nasty and affects many. So don't support the scammers. Please."
As someone whose guildbank was wiped by a friends account being hacked I wholeheartedly support this. We have a small guild that is full of mostly RL friends so we didn't have much in the way of restrictions to our bank.
After being wiped out when his account got hacked we learned a tough lesson. Also all his gear got sold and/or deleted. I always thought how silly it was that someone would buy gold, but seeing how they get it now really offends me and I report every one of them I see.
Arrowsmith May 28th 2010 5:37PM
Oh man, I can relate to those poor guildies. My parents divorced 14 years ago (15 in October), and I still resent both my Mom and Dad for throwing my older siblings and me in the middle. He does this, she acts like that, he couldn't do this, she is nothing but a blah blah blah. It sucks being in the middle, especially when you don't want to feel like you're choosing sides. Divorced, however, did the right thing as far as I'm concerned. She never asked anyone to take her side, she just kept playing the game. I commend her for that.
Darky May 29th 2010 1:09AM
^ this, I'm in this situation right now and its painful, i don't bother believing either of their stories... :/
Scooter May 28th 2010 6:03PM
One thing I love about this column is how each and every letter is written and it is because of Lisa's response that I am rolling a night elf tonight.
Some thoughts for all:
Divorce is only a separation from the agreement to love and respect one another not the hatred and malice that drove you apart. What keeps the hatred going is the desire from one or both sides to receive affirmation that they were the better person. This affirmation comes most flavorsome from the retaliatory actions of the other side of the dispute. With that in mind, the best advice is to simply be the bigger person. Eventually the griefer will simply get fed up or just leave.
Gimmlette May 28th 2010 6:45PM
I have a guild member going through a divorce at the moment. She does not play WOW and, to the best that I can ascertain, doesn't really have a grudge against the amount of time he spends playing it. As Guild Leader, I emphasize my guild members can come to me to share things they are going through. This sort of caught me by surprise as he never, ever let on that things weren't wonderful.
I'm trying to stay totally neutral in this and just be the sounding board he needs when he's frustrated with things. I don't know her and I don't want to pass judgment on someone based on an, admittedly, biased opinion. I do not want it to spill into the guild and have told him that if he comes on some night after a particularly rocky day and starts bad-mouthing women or is generally surly and argumentative, I will ask him to log off. (So far so good but he has just begun to traverse this road.) I'll also try to remember Robin's excellent advice and suggest he do these things in real life.
Thanks, ladies, for excellent ideas for those of us who want to be supportive but don't want to be sucked in.
shotiechan May 28th 2010 7:13PM
I, for one, am actually curious about some of these letters where people try to validate terrible behavior.
Oteo May 28th 2010 7:20PM
I don't think Divorced did anything wrong... her ex just sounds like a petty and immature child.