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5-31-2010 @ 1:18PM
As for the issue with the Battered Hilt, there's bound to be people upset no matter what you do. The buyer is obviously happy since he got a nice 4k bargain on the item, it's none of other people's business and they would probably not simply give it away to just anyone within their guild, just to the people they like the most.If for example you gave it for free to person X, then person Y who would be raiding and therefor using it "for the guilds progress" could feel passed because he/she "deserved it more" than a more social member. All in all, stick to whatever you decided at the start, and don't let others guilt you into something that doesn't feel natural to you.
5-31-2010 @ 1:30PM
Yeah, they put you in a though spot, if faced to such cases just do the transactions with your bank toon, that way there is less of a guilt trip or you can do business normally and not lose that many money thanks to the anonymity of your bank alt.For all the trouble its brought you, you would've been better off selling to a non guildie, you'd made more money and there wouldn't have been so much trouble...
5-31-2010 @ 1:48PM
I agree with the above. Don't give the gold back though. Free to guildies only goes so far... I can see it on an item worth a few hundred gold, hell do all the engineers in guild give away mechano hogs?
5-31-2010 @ 1:52PM
To the writer of that email, what has the buyer been doing about this? Imo, this rests on his shoulders to resolve it on your behalf. The cynic in me thinks that he asked to buy it from you, did the quest so as to make in non-refundable, and then 'accidently' let slip about it so that you'd be pressured into refunding him. He gets a free Quel'delar = profit. Do not refund him. He asked to BUY it, so that's the end of it. State what happened, ask the buyer to back you up publicly, and if he declines or the abuse continues, move on.Good luck :)
5-31-2010 @ 3:38PM
I agree with Warform, both parties went into the deal knowing what it was, they both chose to click the 'Trade' button. Why the guy who received the Hilt isn't sticking up for the seller I've no idea, but maybe Baba is right in suggesting he planned to guilt the 4K gold back all along. If it were me, I would state my case in open guildchat, pointing out that it was the buyer's suggestion. If the bad feelings on the part of the guild remain, simply gquit, it's not worth the trouble especially since you had offered a very deep discount.
5-31-2010 @ 6:03PM
Scott, I have to ask, with reference to your advice on the Battered Hilt issue: **are you out of your mind??**To even suggest that he return 6K gold is crazy. This is a pretty clear-cut case of an item that the writer was just plain lucky to get, and he shouldn't be expected to surrender that windfall to another person, just because "he's a guildy". He should keep the money, inform the officers that this was a private transaction that was mutually satisfactory, and that the subject is closed. There is a *limit* to how intrusive officers can be, and this goes over the line. If the officers press the point, then he should look for another guild. If the officers are going to give him crap over this, where else will they expect him to just give something away?
5-31-2010 @ 6:17PM
@BatteredHiltTo quote Gevlon himself, the guild you're in is filled with Morons&Slackers, and should be left in the dust. Even dropping the price for a guildie means you got conned.
5-31-2010 @ 6:59PM
"Free to guildies" for me has a limit of about 100G, after that I half-price stuff. 10,00G is a hell of a lot of gold to most players (I have 8,000 G across all my characters) and not at the "free to guildies" level unless your guild runs communist style and the guild gives away enchanting mats and pays for repairs. I am generous to my real life friends but I am not going to give them a brand new car (or Grand Ice Mammoth) for free.
5-31-2010 @ 7:34PM
I would love to know the full circumstances of the writer getting the hilt drop. If he got it in a PuG, then its nobody's damn business what he does with his loot. If it was a guild made party then the policy to make the hilt available free for upgrades should have come into play the second it dropped and all should have passed on the item bar the leader to place it in the GBank or pass to an officer.The guy said he's been in the guild 3 weeks. Shenanigans! Either they don't implement their policies at the relevant time and are bullying this kid to cover up for their failure, or they are just using the new guy and playing him for a fool to wrangle valuable stuff out of him.
5-31-2010 @ 7:51PM
The guild seriously freaked out on this. I mean, I'm fine with giving nice enchants away for free to guildies (not enough to drain my supply of mats though, the odd re-enchanting of Super Stats or a nice weapon enchant here of there), and while I'd probably think twice about dumping 1k worth of mats and/or an item that would sell for 1k on the AH or in trade to a guildy, anything past that? Yeah, its getting sold. A guildy would get a discount on it, sure, so long as they asked. I can't exactly discount something that went on the AH.With ICC & the Frostwing Halls, we've got a couple handfuls of awesome, mostly-BiS type gear that is BoE (Hilt, all the ilvl 264 stuff in ICC). And if I did wind up with an ICC BoE that I didn't have an immediate use for, I'd offer to sell it in Guild for a discount, then if I got no takers, off to the AH. I could see the original guild-in-question getting hot and bothered about doing that though. On my server, the Hilt typically doesn't even drop down to 10k, but the BoEs are still running pretty high prices, 12k up to 20k for some (damn you Wodin's Necklace; sell or keep for a current BiS neck?).
5-31-2010 @ 10:01PM
Yeah I can see you crafting your new guildmate something or giving them mats for enchants for free but a Battered Hilt?!? I have only seen it drop once and seeing as you could have gotten 10k out of it, I think you did him a favor. There is a difference between smaller things like infinite dust or a frozen orb and a Battered Hilt. It's way way way too rare to just be given away for free. It's like when I will sell a Saronite. I won't just give it to a guildmate, but I'd sell it to them for cheaper.
5-31-2010 @ 11:28PM
My guild has no such policy, but giving guildies free items is a private policy of my own. If someone in guild tried to tell me I *should* do it or that I'm obligated to, I'd probably put the brakes on it very quickly. No one has a right to demand someone else's generosity.This is why I wouldn't even announce it in guild if I did get such an item. There's this sort of nebulous 'my home is your home' mentality that's present in guilds that does make them nice and feel like home, but can also make unreasonable demands on its members (such as times like this). It's not that unreasonable to expect not to charge guildies for services, such as cutting them a gem or enchanting a piece of gear. It starts getting into hinky territory the moment you begin insisting that members pony up the materials for such things and give them out free of charge to other guild members. The best thing for people to do is say 'congratulations' when one of your guild members wins a hilt or hits the jackpot with a rare WoW:TCG card and don't ask what they plan to do with it. It's theirs, not yours, not the guild's.
6-01-2010 @ 11:20AM
I think if its something he personally won than its his to sell for whatever he wants - even to guildies. Its akin to using your own materials to enchant guild gear for free - not really expected, and most guilds have a process for acquiring enchanting mats anyhow (just like they have a process for acquiring gear). Anything outside of that process is yours to do whatever you want.Craftable items are different. If some guild member wanted to pay me the exact cost to purchase the items to make a mechnohog, or get them out of of the guild bank I'll do it for "free" since there is very little effort involved - same with any other item I can make or enchant. There's no expectation that I'm going to lay down the 13-15k myself to give someone in the guild a mount. You want one? Earn the money :).
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