Gold Capped: The pinch

I've spent the last few months describing different ways to make money. I've also touched on auction house "PvP" a bit but haven't talked about it in depth. The reality is that when you post something for sale, every sale you make is a sale your competitors don't make. The reason I got involved with the AH and in-game economy at the beginning was that I needed money and hated farming. The reason I stayed? My competition.
You know that feeling you get when you are in a battleground and everything just lines up, and you win? That feeling is what I get when I empty my mailboxes every morning. Playing the AH would be much less rewarding if there were no competition.
The most common wrong way to compete
I've said this before, but it bears repeating. If you have to camp the auction house to make a sale, you are doing it wrong. The auction house is designed so that buyers can sort their search results so that the cheapest items appear first. If you are pricing something just barely under what your competitor is posting at, you're asking to be undercut right back. Especially if you're competing in a market where the deposit fees are low and there's a reduced cost to cancel and relist.
This nickel-and-diming may make you feel clever, but don't be fooled. Even if you just sit in the AH watching your auctions, cancel/relisting them when they're undercut, you're making less gold than you would by spending this time doing something more productive. In most markets, most of the time, the most money per hour can be gotten from undercutting by a non-trivial amount. This makes your competitors have to work much harder to re-undercut you.
So what can you do? Aside from pricing your goods to move, there are some other tactics you can use to help your profits and hurt your competitors'. The most effective one is to squeeze their supply. You have two types of competitors: the ones who buy mats and craft, and the ones who farm mats and craft. I'll start with the farmers. How can you compete with free?
Competitors who farm
Farmed mats are not free! The fact that some people think they are just means you have an advantage over them. A typical situation I've seen is where someone farming, say, herbs is selling, say, flasks. You calculate your cost based on the cost (or AH value) of the herbs you use. All of a sudden, someone lists a largish batch at just under your cost. You buy it out, and they relist another batch. At some point, one of you sends a tell to the other, and your competitors smugly informs you that they will always be the lowest price on the AH because "farmed mats are free." Reply with an "OK, you win. /sigh," and keep buying them out.
Farmed mats are worth what they sell for on the AH. The opportunity cost of using the herbs in the above example for flasks is what your esteemed competitor would have made selling the mats instead of the flasks. Of course, if he keeps listing, you'll eventually have more than you could ever sell, right? Wrong. Real players have limits on how much they can grind in a day. Chances are that's much less than you can make from AH purchased mats. Keep buying them out until they run dry, and then maybe send them a thank-you note for having reduced your costs.
Competitors who craft
Much harder to deal with are crafting competitors. These guys have the same sources, resources, addons, information and skills you do. Tightening their supply is an excellent tactic to use, however. Assuming you're not on a realm where it's physically impossible to exhaust the farmers, you can accomplish a lot in a lot of markets by simply figuring out a choke point in the production of whatever market you're fighting over and buy it all out.
Again using my above example: A bunch of flasks take Lichbloom, a moderately rare herb that's used for a lot of things. If you decide to choke your competitors on this, you'll need to buy out all the reasonably priced supply for long enough that they run out of stock and have to buy more at higher prices on the AH.
Now this is actually not the ideal market to get started in with this tactic for a few reasons. Mainly, most serious herb buyers rarely buy off the AH and instead buy directly from the farmers. In this case, your competitor's farmer has to check the AH to see that he's getting fleeced. Additionally, not a lot of people have the cash needed to strangle the supply of as large a market as Lichbloom. Still, if you are feeling adventurous, just make sure you get the stock on both factions or else someone will just make a killing moving stock over to your side.
A much better example of a market like this is the Essence of Fire. It's only farmable in rarely frequented old world instances and is a critical ingredient for some very popular markets, including fiery weapons and Fused Wiring (a component for several markets). All you need to do to knock someone out of the fiery enchant market is to make these cost way too much by buying everything below a threshold.
What's caveat venditor mean?
The universal problem with trying to choke your competitors through their supply is that it encourages people to farm more and raise prices. I used to mine a lot of ore in The Burning Crusade, and nothing made me happier than when someone tried this. In fact, I would make a point of always keeping a bunch of stacks of (at the time) Adamantite Ore in my bank, just in case I'd ever find someone dumb enough to pay four times the market price for them. You can never do this for long, so make it count. Constrain supply for a couple of days before Tuesday's AH rush only if you will make back your investment during the rush.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Zayd Jun 2nd 2010 5:03PM
That picture...aggravates me :<
All those hours wasted trying to fish that SOB up :****(
drtimothyleary Jun 2nd 2010 5:05PM
Amen, brother.
tryllofanto Jun 3rd 2010 8:31AM
I farmed that thing for HOURS in bc, finally got one hooked and threw the line back in before i looted it (autoloot off). Almost threw the pc out the window. Never went back to Skettis. Until a month ago I was helping a friend with the flawless arcane essence netherwing quest, one cast and bingo. Mr Pinchy!
Ilmyrn Jun 2nd 2010 5:11PM
Basil, I really enjoy your articles. Although I don't enjoy the kind of market play your and yours do, it fascinates me to think of just how many different games there are wrapped up inside WoW, beyond the raiding, instancing, and PVP that get aired on the back of the box.
joe Jun 2nd 2010 6:01PM
If you think that's a game, you should should try doing it with the stock market. It's the same thing, just virtual.
Pyromelter Jun 2nd 2010 6:23PM
In my experience, the stock market is easier to win at than the Auction House. There are so many more imbalances in stock markets, it's very easy to (usually) cherry pick things that are way too high, or way too low. On my realm, there tends to be a general balance to the price of mats v. crafted materials, to where imbalances are very few (and I jump on them when they are there) and far between.
Basil Berntsen Jun 3rd 2010 10:05AM
The difference is that the stock market is stacked against retail investors. In the AH, no one person has an advantage that can't be gotten by another player. On the stock market, no matter what I do, I'll have to pay transaction fees, and I will never be able to own and operate a server farm in the same building as the exchange to profit from high speed algorithmic trading.
Abbadon Jun 2nd 2010 5:29PM
I'm feeling this right now....
It's weird.. There was what seemed like a never-ending supply of herbs for milling at reasonable prices on my server. Heck, I even bought up 100 or so stacks the other day from someone advertising in trade. And then... BAM! Drought... The AH has been near empty for a few days now, and what is posted is over priced. /sniffle I'm on my last bank tab of herbs... Cheap prices... Come back!!
And a question that dawned on me too late to add it to the AH iphone app article.... Does the app use your login credentials..... or what I'm getting at, can you be logged into the game and be playing on one toon and access the AH app at the same time? Or is it one or the other? Thanks.
Pikuin Jun 2nd 2010 5:51PM
It's "one or the other" -ish. You can be on the game client, logged into your server, but you cannot access the remote AH of that server. You can access the remote AH of other servers, though.
SledgeHammer Jun 2nd 2010 5:33PM
I love your post but I hate them at the same time. There are a few things that you have pointed out over time that I have missed but you are passing out all my secrets to everyone else. I have seen a few new major competitors on the AH and it drives me nuts because I know they are getting there strategies from you.
Basil Berntsen Jun 2nd 2010 6:22PM
There's an entire ecosystem of blogs and forums out there- I can't be held responsible for doing much other than interesting people in this part of the game.
Heilig Jun 2nd 2010 6:58PM
Yeah you can. Don't sell yourself short, man, this site 100 times the readers that those various gold making blogs do.
For example, I have toons on 5 different servers, only one of which had someone selling single Iceblade Arrows at thw time of that article. Once that article dropped, there were half a dozen people trying it on EACH server.
WoW.com's impact is far more profound than you realize. Not that I'm complaining, though, I love AH competition as much as you do, but the previous poster's comment is completely valid.
icepyro Jun 2nd 2010 7:30PM
Perseverance is your friend. The people who are competing with you now won't be there for long. I have noticed this on my server. People see these articles and suddenly I have competition where it was mild or nonexistent before. But like all get rich quick schemes, they don't last. No economy can support getting rich suddenly without careful effort. Once they aren't getting as rich as they like instantly, they will pull up their stake, sell their inventory cheap, and disappear once more to do dailies or farm or whatever they enjoy more than playing the AH.
uncaringbear Jun 2nd 2010 9:27PM
Agree with the commenters. I have seen a noticeable influx of competition since this column started. Coincidence? Hardly, but I'm not concerned at all. The new sellers burst into the market all gung-ho expecting their enthusiasm and bravado to carry the day. It may take a few days or weeks for them to discover that it's not all fun and games. Eventually, they'll hit the wall when their more experienced and seasoned competitors stomp them, using many of the tactics you see in this column.
As Basil said, it wouldn't be fun without the competition. I have so much gold, it's just stupid, but I keep on selling because it's fun.
purplezorlak Jun 2nd 2010 5:41PM
Billzard just made a move and banned tons of herb gathering bots. So we'll be on a shortage for a few days while the farmers regroup.
Wonk Jun 2nd 2010 5:45PM
I have no problem with the tactics suggested here, but be warned... a few players do this on my server and they are hated and constantly the butt of attacks and bad jokes... and it seems players Never forget you.
Verit Jun 2nd 2010 7:07PM
Thats why you do this stuff on a low level alt.
Zilch Jun 3rd 2010 9:47AM
^^ This
While my AH toons aren't exactly well known, there are times when trade chat gets a bit heated just at me. =D
Tbh, I think it's hilarious. They complain about high prices, but they still pay them instead of farming stuff themselves. =P
Anyhoo - yeah, NEVER use your main or often-played alt for AH domination.
Christopher Freeman Jun 2nd 2010 5:53PM
As someone who enjoys farming, I can do it for hours on end, producing an item isn't free but low cost. For example, I can farm Scholazar basin for 3-4 hours for ore. I usually have enough crystallized shadow to create approximately 30 stacks of iceblade arrows. In additon I receive a boatload of saronite, eternals, and gems.
I understand time is money; however, farming is relaxing for me. It is almost a Zen like experience. Put on my favorite Hunting Party Pod cast (shout out) and farm away. Therefore, it is time well spent.
Pyromelter Jun 2nd 2010 6:08PM
Eh, I'm with basil. Have a bunch of crafters at max level, find an imbalance on the AH in terms of what you can craft, and profit.
Difference between basil and myself (and I think many people who are more casual AH'ers) is that there is a lot of inherent risk in how he plays the AH. Buying out base materials can be a winning strat, but it is very risky inherently. On the other hand, if you are a tailor, if frostweave is super cheap, buy out all of the frostweave you can for 15s or less, and just go /afk while making a few hundred bolts of frostweave, and then vendor them.
Also, there are plenty of people who can't be bothered to have a bank alt, and this also hinders profit, because part of doing the AH this way is stockpiling things like arctic fur, flasks, gems, frozen orbs, other base mats, and then selling them when the AH prices or their crafted items inevitably net a profit. A large part of playing the AH is inventory management, which is frankly not a fun game for me. There was a mage on my realm who was telling me the other day he was netting 1k gold per day from doing nothing but buying and reselling stuff on the AH. I say good for him, but dipping my toes into that type of reselling has gotten me burned, so I'm going to stay with more conservative ways of making G - alchemy transmutes, special tailoring cloths, and selling enchanting mats when their prices go up (have been able to sell abyss crystals for over 40g at some points in the past month).