Gold Capped: The pinch

I've spent the last few months describing different ways to make money. I've also touched on auction house "PvP" a bit but haven't talked about it in depth. The reality is that when you post something for sale, every sale you make is a sale your competitors don't make. The reason I got involved with the AH and in-game economy at the beginning was that I needed money and hated farming. The reason I stayed? My competition.
You know that feeling you get when you are in a battleground and everything just lines up, and you win? That feeling is what I get when I empty my mailboxes every morning. Playing the AH would be much less rewarding if there were no competition.
The most common wrong way to compete
I've said this before, but it bears repeating. If you have to camp the auction house to make a sale, you are doing it wrong. The auction house is designed so that buyers can sort their search results so that the cheapest items appear first. If you are pricing something just barely under what your competitor is posting at, you're asking to be undercut right back. Especially if you're competing in a market where the deposit fees are low and there's a reduced cost to cancel and relist.
This nickel-and-diming may make you feel clever, but don't be fooled. Even if you just sit in the AH watching your auctions, cancel/relisting them when they're undercut, you're making less gold than you would by spending this time doing something more productive. In most markets, most of the time, the most money per hour can be gotten from undercutting by a non-trivial amount. This makes your competitors have to work much harder to re-undercut you.
So what can you do? Aside from pricing your goods to move, there are some other tactics you can use to help your profits and hurt your competitors'. The most effective one is to squeeze their supply. You have two types of competitors: the ones who buy mats and craft, and the ones who farm mats and craft. I'll start with the farmers. How can you compete with free?
Competitors who farm
Farmed mats are not free! The fact that some people think they are just means you have an advantage over them. A typical situation I've seen is where someone farming, say, herbs is selling, say, flasks. You calculate your cost based on the cost (or AH value) of the herbs you use. All of a sudden, someone lists a largish batch at just under your cost. You buy it out, and they relist another batch. At some point, one of you sends a tell to the other, and your competitors smugly informs you that they will always be the lowest price on the AH because "farmed mats are free." Reply with an "OK, you win. /sigh," and keep buying them out.
Farmed mats are worth what they sell for on the AH. The opportunity cost of using the herbs in the above example for flasks is what your esteemed competitor would have made selling the mats instead of the flasks. Of course, if he keeps listing, you'll eventually have more than you could ever sell, right? Wrong. Real players have limits on how much they can grind in a day. Chances are that's much less than you can make from AH purchased mats. Keep buying them out until they run dry, and then maybe send them a thank-you note for having reduced your costs.
Competitors who craft
Much harder to deal with are crafting competitors. These guys have the same sources, resources, addons, information and skills you do. Tightening their supply is an excellent tactic to use, however. Assuming you're not on a realm where it's physically impossible to exhaust the farmers, you can accomplish a lot in a lot of markets by simply figuring out a choke point in the production of whatever market you're fighting over and buy it all out.
Again using my above example: A bunch of flasks take Lichbloom, a moderately rare herb that's used for a lot of things. If you decide to choke your competitors on this, you'll need to buy out all the reasonably priced supply for long enough that they run out of stock and have to buy more at higher prices on the AH.
Now this is actually not the ideal market to get started in with this tactic for a few reasons. Mainly, most serious herb buyers rarely buy off the AH and instead buy directly from the farmers. In this case, your competitor's farmer has to check the AH to see that he's getting fleeced. Additionally, not a lot of people have the cash needed to strangle the supply of as large a market as Lichbloom. Still, if you are feeling adventurous, just make sure you get the stock on both factions or else someone will just make a killing moving stock over to your side.
A much better example of a market like this is the Essence of Fire. It's only farmable in rarely frequented old world instances and is a critical ingredient for some very popular markets, including fiery weapons and Fused Wiring (a component for several markets). All you need to do to knock someone out of the fiery enchant market is to make these cost way too much by buying everything below a threshold.
What's caveat venditor mean?
The universal problem with trying to choke your competitors through their supply is that it encourages people to farm more and raise prices. I used to mine a lot of ore in The Burning Crusade, and nothing made me happier than when someone tried this. In fact, I would make a point of always keeping a bunch of stacks of (at the time) Adamantite Ore in my bank, just in case I'd ever find someone dumb enough to pay four times the market price for them. You can never do this for long, so make it count. Constrain supply for a couple of days before Tuesday's AH rush only if you will make back your investment during the rush.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Deathknighty Jun 2nd 2010 6:09PM
Also, if you're low on cash (after getting the Mining and Blacksmithing skills on my lvl 70 pala to 450, I was left with about 95s and shitloads of saronite, some titanium, and about a stack of Titansteel, across him AND my main) then farming is in fact free, as you simply cannot afford to just buy the stuff you'd be making anyway.
I don't even have enough money to buy recipes. I'm having to coax guidies into supplying the recipe for the thing I craft for them, and in return I'll cover all the mats.
I actually had to ask my GM for 12 gold to train the iLvl 200 shield I'd convinced him to let me make for him to help him prepare for Naxx. In that case, I just can't buy stuff. I have to supply my own mats.
In fact, I could almost craft TWO sets of Hellfrozen Bonegrinders, if I had the Primordial Saronites. If I could find someone with enough money to "sponsor" me with some saronites, I could take it out of the cost of their piece, but that doesn't appear to be how things work. It's all very sad, I've been longingly dreaming about sticking up some cutting edge epics and raking several thousand gold more than I've ever had in a single auction, but it's proving to be frustratingly hard. ;(
lgw95 Jun 2nd 2010 6:11PM
Im currently at 130k gold along with 8 characters with epic flyers, 2 tundra mammoths, etc, ive always found alot of different ways to make money.
to be honest right now i make boots of the living scale, and crusaders dragonscale breastplate. the boots are about 700g in mats and sell them for 1600g, the chest is 1500g in mats sell for 2100g
im making so much for so little work i can never picture farming anything again.
its funny looking back 5 years ago farming the fire elementals in arathi highlands :)
Pyromelter Jun 2nd 2010 6:17PM
Selling BOE epics at this point in the game is a terrible, terrible way to make G. If you are a blacksmith, your best bet for consistent gold would be shield spikes and belt buckles. If you are a miner, check the mats for titansteel and make and sell titansteel if it's profitable enough. You also might be able to make something like Arcanite Rods for a profit. Alchemists transmute archanite, and sometimes sell for cheap on the AH, to level up alchemy. Arcanite rods are often pretty rarely seen on the AH however, and can be a nice source of income.
In other words, get yourself into markets where there is some volume. Endgame BOE's can be profitable when a patch just drops, but at this point they are a tough sell.
icepyro Jun 2nd 2010 7:58PM
@Christopher:
/salute
Seriously, you are not the target audience of this series, but it is the people like you I enjoy most. I personally hate farming. It wears on my soul. My mining is 450 just to smelt the ore I buy (usually cheaper and faster than buying the bars). I also hate farm bots. Over 400 stacks suddenly dropping on the market at half price makes for big waves in more than a few prices. Yet those like you who enjoy farming bring enough to market for us both to profit and I have no problems with that.
This article always touts best use for your time, but it assumes there is a supply on market. Without you, there would not be. I have seen what happens when the farmers go on strike. It's not pretty.
So if you enjoy farming, and profit in ways outside of gold (like unwinding, watching tv, listening to podcasts, whatever) then by all means, continue and know that I support you for selling mats cheap to me. :)
Zuka Jun 2nd 2010 5:58PM
I liked that you touched on the fact that farmed mats aren't free. I recently tried to explain this to one of my guild mates a couple of weeks ago when she wondered why I was buying flasks for my raids instead of making them myself (my main is an alchemist). On my realm Lichbloom runs about 80 gold a stack, while flasks normally run around 15 gold each. I tried to explain to her that you were losing money if you were farming Lichbloom and crafting them instead of selling the herbs themselves. I still don't think she understands the concept as she still makes flasks with farmed mats and sells them in the auction house. There are many crafted items that sell for far less than what you would get if you just sold the mats that you farmed, mainly because the crafters that farm their mats sell their products thinking they saved tons of gold by farming.
Deathknighty Jun 2nd 2010 5:58PM
I have a question, and I mean it in the nicest, least provocative way possible.
What's the difference between Gold Capped and Insider Trader? They both seem really similar. Are they both really necessary? Is Gold Capped more focused on the AH and Insider Trader about professions? I've never really been sure about this.
Still, two good quality, interesting columns are better than one. ;)
(cutaia) Jun 2nd 2010 6:09PM
Insider trader seems to focus on how to make money with your own trade skills, where Gold Capped is more about markets and auctions in general.
There's certainly some overlap sometimes, though.
Deathknighty Jun 2nd 2010 6:10PM
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, but they're still puzzlingly similar. :P
Pyromelter Jun 2nd 2010 6:10PM
I think you answered your own question there.
Basil Berntsen Jun 2nd 2010 6:25PM
Originally, I planned on putting everything I wrote into gold capped. That's why there's so much profession stuff in there. I'm going to start loading profession guides into insider trader and saving gold capped for everything else. I'll try to work the smaller pieces of advice into time is money.
icepyro Jun 2nd 2010 6:14PM
I only wish this article had come out about a month ago. I had some really nasty competition on some crafted stuff I sell. If I had sat and thought about it, I could have easily constrained the market on the mats if I was willing to buy more than I could use.
Mahram Jun 4th 2010 2:38PM
Basil, your columns are always extremely fascinating insights into the sub-game that is the AH. I'm continually amazed at the economic forces at work in the game, of which I dip only on the surface level. I sometimes wonder if WoW economists are as successful IRL as they are in WoW. Is it even possible to leverage AH smarts into a real-world business acumen?
roguedubb Jun 2nd 2010 6:25PM
Farming can be close enough to free. I can fish while watching a movie, TV series, reading a book. Glacial Salmon are my best sellers which sell quickly at 25g-40g, leaving me with about 100-200g for an hour of Vampire Diaries.
Vandersveldt Jun 2nd 2010 6:39PM
I was just making something that needed essence of fire, so I wowheaded it, and they're easily farmable in Un'Goro crater now, off the fire elementals. Got the two I needed in about 10 minutes.
Wreckage Jun 2nd 2010 6:41PM
I think the point is that it just becomes a decision of which is more valuable, your gold or your time.
Vandersveldt Jun 3rd 2010 1:48AM
Maybe I should have said this, I was responding to him saying you could still only get them in old world instances. That's just not the case anymore.
Verit Jun 2nd 2010 7:01PM
One of the problems I've had with dealing with the AH is market volume. Many hard to find enchants which people are always asking for in trade no-one wants to buy in AH.
Or materials - I've had lichbloom in huge quantity, and when I list it just below what the other guy more than once it expires with no sales, and I've checked that I'm the lowest price multiple times a day.
Alchemistmerlin Jun 2nd 2010 7:45PM
I think that, despite being a college educated man, I just don't have the brain for this stuff.
I'm always strapped for gold in WoW and would love to learn to play the AH, but I just don't think that I'll ever figure it out, even with great guides like this.
bldavis59 Jun 3rd 2010 11:56AM
the worst thing about reading these guides si taht i cant use anything with out stepping on your toes!
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE ON MY SERVER!!!!!!!!
Basil Berntsen Jun 2nd 2010 11:22PM
haha, go ahead :) There's so much competition already that chances are neither of us will notice ;)