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6-04-2010 @ 8:25AM
I'm going to admit something here: my first character to ever reach the level cap was my DK.I had been playing extremely casually since 2007, but was really excited about Wrath. Got my character to 55 the day before Wrath launched, and rolled a Horde DK on day 1. I had so much fun leveling through Outland (for the first time), and then through Northrend. It was so epic, and I was so happy. Some of my best days of playing WoW. Then... I hit the level cap. Later than everyone else, of course. I was invited to a heroic. I had absolutely NO IDEA what to do. I had never been in a 5-man before. Somehow, I got roped into tanking. I was nervous, confused and excited. Needless to say, we wiped horribly on the first pull. Then my WoW-world came crashing down. My party members launched into me with anger, hate and insults like I'd never seen before. I was angry, confused... devastated. I had been having so much fun playing WoW, and they tore it all down in seconds. I didn't log on for weeks, and I almost stopped playing completely. When I came back weeks later, I started completely fresh. New character, new class, new server, new faction. To this day I have not played my DK, since that first dungeon over a year ago.
6-04-2010 @ 8:41AM
This story saddens me so much. There's such anger and hatred in this game and there's really no need for it. I would guess that, before the LFD tool arrived, a seriously high percentage of new level 80s would have no real idea how to work in a group role.My hunter, druid and rogue were all exactly the same and even to this day I would still have no clue how to group with my rogue.I hope you've discovered that not all players are like your first, unfortunate, group encounter.
6-04-2010 @ 9:03AM
A week or so ago, I got into Occulus on a random dungeon group and was blasted for never having been in there AND not being level 80. Swore at, told to leave, etc. I said, it's a random dungeon, either tell me what to do or /leave yourself and get the debuff because clearly the game says im geared *enough* for it. Three of the other four left and the only person who stayed said it was pretty pointless for me to stay anyway, and when the next group of randoms showed up 2 more first timers came in and the healer/leader who had stayed said. Okay get on dragons and go and then stayed put where she was. I ended up leaving in frustration and being incredibly upset. I still haven't cued for a random or completed any more quests on my main. She's so close to 80 and I just cant bring myself to put big-girl pants back on. If I hadn't already faction changed and server transferred on her once, I would leave the battlegroup entirely.
6-04-2010 @ 9:24AM
My guild has two folks who tank who refuse to queue for the Dungeon Finder because of similar thoughtless and petty behavior. Is it any wonder we have a shortage of tanks?
6-04-2010 @ 9:41AM
Unfortunately, tanking for Pugs means you often grab real-life aggro.
6-04-2010 @ 9:44AM
What a sad story, thank you for sharing that experience jealouspirate. Stories like yours are vivid examples why these r0XX0r kids with their flames and hatespeech-just-for-fun are really bad. This internet-tough-guy talk is getting worse and worse, sometimes it seems there are just not enough ignore slots on your character. The good news is, there are easy ways to deal with these people:1) Ignore them. Your Ignore List is a more powerful tool than you might think. When ignoring people, even from other servers, apart from not hearing their brainless flames *you will not see them ever again in a random LFG*. While it might seem you are missing out on something when ignoring people, really, you are not. People with ITGS (Internet Tough Guy Syndrome) usually have no friends. 2) Votekick them. In many groups, the very vocal ITGS person is not only being disliked by you, he's disliked by pretty much everyone else. If there are single, lone cases of ITGS in your group, a votekick can restore sane conversation without causing much trouble. Sometimes though, ITGS is like a mass phenomenon, and people gangbang on a single sane victim. In that case, leaving might be more appealing.3) Report them. Sometimes, ITGS people cross even their line. Over the course of some years of wow I've seen my share of things in the chat: death threats, racist slurs, ugly sexism. Things like that are being taken *very* seriously by Blizzard Support. Write a petition with their name, server and the time, and they will find themselves with a forced wow pause within little time. 4) Drive them to a frenzy: stay friendly! This, I have to admit, is one of the harder things to do when facing a severe case of ITGS. When expletives are rolling through the chat, everyone is getting tense. Simply try to stay friendly. Even overdo it a little, enrich your language with diminutives, and refer to the ITGS folks as "happybunny" or "my friend". Really, while this is, of course, sarcastic - nothing can compete with its effectiveness in shutting an ITGS person up. Finally, don't assume people are generally rough on new players / folks without to much experience. If you are a new tank (and I've been down that lane), simply state that at the beginning of the group. Many sane folks will play much more considerate, even help you out with some helpful tricks. ITGS isn't everywhere, even in the new LFG times.
6-04-2010 @ 9:53AM
Ya know, I really don't understand some people sometimes. I have to say that your experience is not the only time I've seen this happen.I used to be a very casual prot warrior and played WoW about the same way I played any other game. I looked up stuff when I got stuck and otherwise just went with what felt right. Play by instinct and have fun. I didn't get into dungeons until I was in the upper 70's, and then only because my friends were doing it. Being a prot warrior, they expected me to tank. It didn't go so well. Thankfully, my friends showed infinite amounts of patience and helped me learn.The raiding guild I joined with them, however, haven't been so kind. They expect me to just know how it's all supposed to work and rip me apart when I don't.So, in short, I feel for you.
6-04-2010 @ 10:05AM
I feel your pain as a fellow DK that refuses to queue for another random. My only 80 is my first toon ever, a night elf druid (balance/resto duel) that I leveled pretty much solo with very few dungeon runs when friends were available (pre-dungeon finder). Now I run the lowbie dungeons doing rep quests, but thats aside from the point. I've tried dungeon finder, but after 2 failed attempts at healing because I was the one dying, I refuse to try again there too unless I manage to find myself better gear.. because I'm told gear score matters. Whatev.I rolled a tauren druid (resto) with a friend of mine and she queued us in the dungeon finder almost every time we met to play. We'd quest as we waited for groups. I thought this was great. Getting through the dungeons was fun, quests got done, I thought it would be nice to try it on my other toons. So, I started playing my abandoned blood elf mage till she reached the level to queue for dungeons. I met some great people, groups are hit or miss, but generally not bad. Its fun, I still queue on that toon when I play.So, I decide to attempt a dungeon with my DK. She is level 70, but I think at the time was about 68-69. I queued as damage because I didn't want the responsibility of being a tank with my overall general inexperience with dungeons. I know that Dks are usually tanks, especially blood DKs, but I didn't want to drag a group down by not knowing what to do. So I wait (what seems like forever) in queue and finally get into a group. I say hello, they say hello and I thought all would be fine. We go along killing a couple mobs, no one died, no aggro was taken, it all seemed just fine. Out of no where the group leader says 'can you please leave'. I wasn't addressed by name, but I knew she meant me. I didn't ask why, and I guess I didn't leave or respond fast enough when she addressed me by name and in a second line added 'no one wants you here'. Now, none of the other members had said a word (doesn't mean they weren't whispering or talking on vent or something). Not wanting to cause issue, I just said sure. As I was teleporting out, I saw that someone in the group had offered to pay me 10 gold to leave. I had clicked the name before the teleport took me out to say no one had to pay me, but being on a different realm once I was out of the party I couldn't say anything to them. I was so mad. I didn't understand what made her ask me to leave because there were no problems through at least 3 mobs. I was doing my part, but not taking aggro from the tank or causing problems for the healer. Bloods have enough self heal that I can't see how that would be an issue. I could see if I was hurting the group, but again, Whatev. I still play my DK, but I won't queue again.With your new character, try it out from the lowest level it lets you in, I think 15 or so. There really are some good groups and helpful people that will give you tips. I know its discouraging when you're new and rather than experienced players being helpful they get mad because you dare to be new and not an expert. But there are some nice ones out there. I try to be helpful to lower levels I see around if they're in trouble. Don't give up! :)
6-04-2010 @ 10:09AM
Unfortunately this happens alot, not just to tanks but healers as well.When i was levelling my priest alt, before the dungeon finder, i was shadow, which meant healing anything past lvl 40 was rather difficult.I got to outland and was really happy and wanted to go ramparts so when i got asked if i wanted to go, i immediately agreed, informing them that i was shadow. It was a group of 4 dks and they said i would be healing, but not to worry they'd go slowly to make it easy.This didn't actually happen, instead they pulled as much as possible and all tried to tank it, when the inevitable happened, i was blamed for the wipe and was insulted so much that i dropped group.I was then whispered with further insults and told that if i was a moron i shouldnt play wow. I immediately logged and didnt play my priest for 2 months, and to this day i try to avoid healing as much as possible.
6-04-2010 @ 10:10AM
Thanks to everyone for your kind words.I should add that now, about a year and a half later, I am a happy wow-er who has successfully healed, tanked and dps'd a ton of heroics (and raids!), while meeting some great friends. So I "recovered", so to speak.
6-04-2010 @ 10:55AM
I think everyone has experienced situations like this at some point, sure new tanks and healers get beat on the most, new dps do as well (DPS metre spam)First time I tanked BRD (Midway through BC) on my Warrior I had no idea how to tank exactly.. All I knew at the time was you had to sunder. 3 hours later we did the whole instance, My shoulder was killing me (I still get pain in the same spot if I tank to much in one day) but we made it, Soon after I beleive I was in Sunken temple and the group had wiped. Basicly I stopped tanking after that day. I went arms and levelled through Outlands and It wasnt until halfway through wrath I made the choice to study every single tanking article I could find online.I eventually walked into an instance as the Tank, sweaty palms and very nervous. not wanting to let the other people down or waste there time. I aced it without a problem.. I felt great and my group at the time asked me to do nexus, we wiped once I beleive.I know wrath made tanking alot easier but that night in BRD will most likely stay with me for a long long time, I know the shoulder pain will hehe. I only hope Cataclysm brings more instances like BRD. None of this 30min stuff.
6-04-2010 @ 11:12AM
Chetti,That's so strange. I had an experience like that, too. Queued for a random heroic with my DK alt and a dungeon in progress pops. First thing I see in chat is, "Oh great, one stupid DK for another."
6-04-2010 @ 11:18AM
I had a very similar situation to this. I am levelling a Druid, after only playing my main mage for about 2 years. I specced balance, and once my druid reached around level 50, I thought I would try resto. I did a bunch of BC 5-man's with very good success. I've never healed, and I loved it.At level 68 I hopped the zep to Northrend. I queued for UK, and it was a disaster. After the dps warrior died on the second boss (he was from Warsong, no offense to Warsong), it got brutal. The words "fail heals" were in party chat every single pull. Being a relatively new healer, I got nervous from his constant badgering, and there was another wipe. The warrior would just not let it go. The entire rest of the run was literally a 20 minute 1 man conversation of how bad I sucked. "Fail Heals."No one else in the party said anything. My heart raced, my hands shook. I announced to the group that this is simply not worth it. I was trying to learn to heal, and taking this abuse is not what I was looking for.I know I should have just gotten over it. But that warrior really got under my skin. My confidence is completely shot with that resto Druid, and I haven't been into a 5-man with him since that stupid UK run.
6-04-2010 @ 12:11PM
This is why I hate tanking in LFD. I have had a ton of people yell at me for their stupidity and DKs suck at tanking etc etc. Nevermind that I have tanked LK, I always have some idiot doing more things than they should and blaming me for it. I usually will enter a LFD as DPS and if they need help like a tank is having trouble or they leave group will I say that my MS is a tank. But I will say this for tanks, if someone doesn't like how you tank, tell them to leave and having fun waiting 45+ minutes for the debuff to wear off and then having to wait in queue.
6-04-2010 @ 2:20PM
I haven't actively played my DK since my party laid into me for being a stupid noob tank. 30k gold in boe tank gear to be heroic uncrittable and now I honestly couldn't care less. The only use he gets is tradeskills. I'm sure I could learn to be a good tank, but insults, stress, and more responsibility than I already have in RL make it a unappealing endeavor.
6-04-2010 @ 8:31PM
I feel some of your pain there. I think AoE Syndrome has spread through LFD since I'm guessing a lot of the lower-level characters these days are alts of players with 80s who have caught the OMGAoEGogogo disease in Wrath heroics. I've been leveling a Warrior tank through LFD, I already have a Druid and DK tanks at 80 and have a pretty fair idea of how tanking works. I've had a lot of trouble with players that think they can roll Deadmines or WC as if it's heroic UK where everyone is an 80 in at least T10. What I've done whenever I come into an instance, or whenever a new player comes in is I say, "I'm an old, careful Warrior tank. I take my time, pull carefully and can only build up aggro slowly. Sorry." People usually with either stay or leave when they read that. Those that stay know the deal and roll with it, those that leave get to be stupid elsewhere.If people stay and are stupid, I'll often ignore them, and tell the healer they shouldn't feel obligated to heal them, since I'm not going to worry about aggro on them.Tanking isn't easy, keep working at it, you'll get it. One good way to learn about tanking is to level a class that can pull a lot of aggro. These days Hunters can put out a LOT of damage in the early levels. Download Omen (or your threat meter of choice), get in a dungeon and try to watch the tank and not take aggro to get a feeling of how the aggro build up works. If you have a combat log parser/recorder, you can go back and see how the tank handled certain situations - what abilities they used when. A very good way to learn is to get a very good tank to roll a new character with you. The established tank should roll a DPS, and you get to tank for them. You can get very good feedback then on what abilities to use in certain situations, setting up pulls and all the little techniques and tactics used when tanking.
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