Breakfast Topic: Dealing with unpleasant players

They were still making snide comments about it while we were pulling trash to the Maiden of Grief, and I finally snapped, "He's right. You can spare a second to interrupt the cast, and if you won't do that, the least you can do is avoid killing a mind-controlled player." The abuse rerouted in my direction for a few minutes, but one of the nice things about working here is that after you've been a target of the professional trolling class, their amateur counterparts don't have that much effect.
It leaves me wondering how you deal with unpleasant players without causing a blow-up or turning into a bit of an ass yourself (as I admit I probably was while coming to the defense of the moonkin). We all run into them eventually, and I don't know whether it's better to speak up on behalf of a bullied player who may not want the help, simply drop group or spend the run in silence, not rising to the bait.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 20)
MajikForge Jun 8th 2010 8:14AM
Personally I tend to stick up for the little guy, unless it was just plain stupidity on their part. Being a healer I don't worry about being kicked from the grp because my queue times are basically non-existent.
Jędrzej Jun 8th 2010 8:56AM
What realm ur from? On Aerie Peak Healers have to wait same time as dps o.0 I'm glad that I'm a tank ^^
Rob Jun 8th 2010 9:59AM
Sun night i was helping guildies do normal nexus as a tank. I had to wait for a healer. First time ever. So, yeah occassionally healers are in demand! That or LFD is very backlogged. On my healers the queue times are usually 5 minutes, so, not terrible, but not great. This is for heroics. For leveling, yeah the queue times are same for dps and heals. About half the time I get assigned dps (which I secretly hate, would much rather /follow and spam a heal every minute).
Hiwa Jun 8th 2010 10:08AM
On Arygos if my healer has to wait more than 10 seconds I wonder if the lfg button is broken. I am not exaggerating.
Mohsus Jun 8th 2010 10:15AM
On Scilla, if the queue is longer than 45 sec for a healer I break out in hives and have to lay down for a bit until the dizziness passes
Dyz Jun 8th 2010 8:14AM
usually I just stay quite unless they keep yacking at it for too long a time. I usually politely ask them if we can just continue the run or otherwise just tell them I have no time for this and would just rather leave. funny though I have characters on different battlegroups and surprisingly that my other battlegroup has alot of these "mean" players which are mostly from PVP realms.
Draelan Jun 8th 2010 2:51PM
Yes, it's probably stereotyping, but I don't find that at all surprising. Not to say that everyone (or even most people) on PvP realms are assholes, I'm sure that the true assholes are a minority on any given server, but PvP realms seem like the natural choice for people who like to bully others who can't fight back. Though, given their own inability to take the same type of shit they deal out, they probably level/gear up on PvE realms then server transfer over. =P
Toir Jun 8th 2010 8:14AM
I would start by sticking up for them. Especially when I'm tanking on my Pally. Most dungeon groups, especially the dps, wont argue incase you kick them or drop group and they are left with a long cooldown + queueing time to get back in, wheras tank queues are pretty instant.
If they insist on being abusive then one final warning and I'll initiate a kick after that. Or if its more than one player just leave. I think its fair enough warning. This game is designed to be fun, not to be filled with abuse and stress. Plus everybody has to learn somewhere and these days most elitist players forget that not everybody in the DF is a Light Of Dawn. I would always rather offer advice to a player than abuse.
However thats not to say if valid advice is offered to a player and they ignore it multiple times, then I can understand players getting a little impatience. Theres a difference been allowed newbie mistakes and ignorance.
Fletcher Jun 8th 2010 8:13AM
I've seen those Controllers cause wipes more than once (also the Priestesses in ToC5). Possibly people don't have enemy cast bars turned on? It's the only explanation I can think of for not interrupting a Mind Control (and one which is helpful enough not only to have a long cast time but be channeled - in Mana-Tombs the undead mobs cast a mind control which is *permanent*!).
Fortunately my main is a rogue and has an easy-to-hand interrupt in Kick, my paladin has a rather less frequent Hammer of Justice (and such terrible luck with trinkets she's still sporting Titan-Forged Rune of Determination, which has its uses in situations like this), my mage has Counterspell, and my priest has ... nothing. Drat.
As for asshole players, the only thing I do is /ignore them. Shuts them up for the rest of the dungeon, and you never have to see them again.
Firestyle Jun 8th 2010 1:12PM
Those guys aren't crap compared to Phantasmal Posessors in heroic crypts or time lost controllers in H SH. If the dps don't pay attention to the undead spawns, they won't even see the Phantasmal Posessors before it's too late.
Part of me wishes this level of attentitiveness was still required from dps in heroics.
Kaz Jun 8th 2010 8:15AM
I'm surprised that mobs live long enough to cause drama these days. Usually anything that can cause problems like M/C dies long before (or shortly after) the cast.
berry Jun 8th 2010 8:45AM
It's not the mobs that cause drama, it's the players. Instead of killing the mob who is controlling the player they kill the player instead. This is by far the meanest thing anybody can do.
You use a form of CC on the controlled player, nothing more. To kill them is a form to show that they cannot grasp the idea of group play or respect to another player.
My thoughts on this.
Elwoods Jun 8th 2010 9:04AM
I had something of the same happen to me last week when healing on my druid.
Tank+2 dps from the same guild tried to kill the MCed player (a guildie).
First time I have used my NS+Cyclone macro outside of PVP.
The started ranting at me so I just switched off /party chat and stopped healing the DPS :)
They shutup after a while!
nieboh Jun 8th 2010 11:06AM
Not the meanest thing to do. I was in a PoS that was taking a while and we lost a healer just before the pulls going up the hill. We waited for some time before we got a replacement, and I'm not sure what happened or why, but the hunter told the tank to run far away, then misdirected to our new healer. I never broke stealth (kitty druid getting ready for cat charge) so I managed to avoid agro and the mobs reset. So, I'm in party chat going "what the hell just happened?" No one said anything, but as I'm sitting there putting two and two together, I notice the tank and the hunter are in the same guild. I put them both on ignore, typed "dick move" in party and left the group.
I have noticed that when the lfd puts me in a group with 2 or 3 people from the same guild, it's either going to go really well, or really crappy.
Carnifex Jun 8th 2010 8:16AM
I tend to pass a single comment and then see what the reaction is. Sadly most of the time it is very negative and any constuctive comment simply bounces off the thick armour shell that many players seem to have developed. Every once in a while I am pleasently surprised by the reaction when a suggestion is made and even if there has been a wipe, the whole instance experience suddenly becomes much richer, as people will start to talk (type) to one another. The one sad thing with the advent of the dungeon finder is that many instances are now run in complete silence, which seems to defeat the whole MMO concept of playing with other people. Having said that, it's the social aspects of WoW that have me coming back for more. Back on topic, it I get a torrent of abuse, then I have found that silence is golden, get through the run and move on. I do not give people the satisfaction of dropping group.
John Jun 8th 2010 8:15AM
the nastiest comments I met was when I was playing my priest (level 50ish) and doing random dungeons:
the tank starts by:
"I have no time for anyone that disrespects their tank, I will leave group and you can find another tank if you don't show me respect"
He immediately keep chain pulling until I run out of mana and then the group wipes. Which of course, is my fault.
Perhaps people feel they can be free to be a dick in Random dungeons or something. Now I'm playing a prot warrior through the same level period, and constantly remind myself to be nice to my group, and watch my healer's mana.
Fletcher Jun 8th 2010 8:23AM
I do think that playing different classes and roles gives you a more rounded appreciation for other people.
With that said, though, there are plenty of unappreciative people in WoW, and (at 80, through the LFD system) you'll run into a lot of chain-pulling speed-freaks. The sort of people who either spam "gogogog" or pull so much they wipe the group, and then instantly drop (or both, of course, for added negachievement points).
I am pretty sure that those people - who are used to speed runs through dungeons they massively outgear, sharding everything that drops, for a few paltry tokens at the end - are going to wail and die en masse in Cataclysm's cleansing flames. And I. Can't. Wait.
BY FIRE BE PURGED!
vinniedcleaner Jun 8th 2010 8:35AM
Hindsight is 20/20, but maybe you should have told him he'd get as much respect from you that you got from him.
jli112 Jun 8th 2010 9:15AM
Thank you. On behalf of healers that often run low on mana because the tank won't even consider stopping even when they ASK for a mana break after whatever mob is finished. Its nice to see a tank that will actually notice if the healer is a little low. Thanks! :)
Arbolamante Jun 8th 2010 11:00AM
I know waiting for group at that level can take a while, but I think I'd drop group the moment he gave that little speech. Some folks are waaaay to full of themselves. If I die or pull aggro, or someone else dies when I'm healing, my first thought it usually "What did I do wrong," not "who messed up my uber leetnes."