Breakfast Topic: Dealing with unpleasant players

They were still making snide comments about it while we were pulling trash to the Maiden of Grief, and I finally snapped, "He's right. You can spare a second to interrupt the cast, and if you won't do that, the least you can do is avoid killing a mind-controlled player." The abuse rerouted in my direction for a few minutes, but one of the nice things about working here is that after you've been a target of the professional trolling class, their amateur counterparts don't have that much effect.
It leaves me wondering how you deal with unpleasant players without causing a blow-up or turning into a bit of an ass yourself (as I admit I probably was while coming to the defense of the moonkin). We all run into them eventually, and I don't know whether it's better to speak up on behalf of a bullied player who may not want the help, simply drop group or spend the run in silence, not rising to the bait.
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Randomize Jun 8th 2010 9:53AM
I use greater blessings on my paladin tank...
SunGod228 Jun 8th 2010 10:06AM
@Sinful
Yeah I dont remember offhand what glyphs I have on my tank spec. But that is an excellent point.
But I do use pally power so I always know how much time is left on everyone's buffs without having to click on players. Between that and being able to click players in pally power to rebuff or pressing comma to rebuff the player in range with the shortest duration reamining maybe that's why it doesn't seem like a big deal to me to use 10min. idk.
Docp Jun 8th 2010 10:45AM
It's a problem by association. Most people who use 10 minute buffs are cheap, always forget to rebuff, usually use the wrong buffs and generally make running an instance just a bit annoying, however you sound like a pretty on the ball guy who can actually keep on top of the situation.
Think of it like DPS death grip. Most people who do it are idiots and therefore it becomes ingrained in people's mind as the act of an idiot, however some top notch players are able to use it effectively and save the group (i.e. pulling mobs of healers and back into tanks range, etc). A lot of people will still think of them as idiots though just because they're too used to bad players misusing the spell.
Sky_Paladin Jun 8th 2010 11:09AM
Zzzzzzz~
It always amazes me that dps can instantly notice if they are missing a buff for even half a second, but can't move out of fire in the entire time it takes for their health bar to burn down.
I'll buff you with the 30 minute might/kings/wisdom/whatever just so I don't have to see my screen filled up with MIGHT PLZ KINGS PLZ WIZ PLZ every nine minutes thirty seconds.
Kira Jun 8th 2010 11:22AM
I agree with sun, personally, I use greaters to buff and drink a couple seconds to regain mana before the pull so i dont have to buff as often, but if he wants to do short buffs and makes sure they stay up, whats the difference to people getting them? Nothing, exact same buff as far as the people on the receiving end are concerned.
chris Jun 8th 2010 11:36AM
gonna have to agree with sungod228.
whats the difference whether he buffs the big one or does his 10 minute one. if he's keeping it up then who cares. its not like you get to keep the buff after you finish the instance.
pretty sure all you people whining about something as simple as this, are the people this whole post is about.
step back and look what you are argueing about for a sec. /facepalm
Hoggersbud Jun 8th 2010 11:52AM
I don't care if you use a 10 minute buff. I do it myself sometimes. If there's another paladin in the group, and I'm not sure what you're going to buff, I'll use the 10 minute versions so they don't overlap by accident. Or maybe I forgot to restock at some point. Or maybe I just think there's good odds somebody will up and leave during the instance...heroic Oculus I'm looking at you. Or I'm worried there will be a wipe, Heroic HoR has this written over it.
Sorry if you think I'm cheap, me, I'm just not bothered enough by your opinion to care.
Tom Jun 8th 2010 1:57PM
I agree with you, SunGod228
Ironic, isn't it, that on a topic about 'l33t j3rks' you get one that presents his 'holier than thou' attitude. Gettin' all douche-y about the time-span of a buff? Get real.
Remember, it's a game people. Please remain calm.
Troy Jul 30th 2010 10:59AM
dude, just buy the stupid reagent, put up the buff, and use that mana regen skill(name eludes me like a rogue) that gives like 25% over 20 sec and get the prot talent that makes every melee hit replenish the buff duration! not hard! and like J said, not expensive at all, i keep 4 stacks on both my pallies at all times, just in case.
uncaringbear Jun 8th 2010 8:27PM
I don't care if it's the 10min or 30min buff, as long as it's up. My biggest gripe is when I zone into the dungeon on my pally, and the tank has already started pulling trash, and I don't even have time to cast ANY blessing. It's not unusual to be in dungeons where I've had to wait til the first boss has died before I could cast all my blessings. And yes, I can cast blessings while on the run, but heals come first.
skula Jun 9th 2010 5:08AM
once i got flamed for using 10 min buffs on my tankadin. however, it was because i was running many, many randoms one after the other and forgot to buy more in between (i usually buy at least 100 at a time, so i don't think about restocking very often).
of course one of the few times i didn't have reagents and used my 10 min buffs (which i only had to refresh once before the last boss), i happen to get into a group with a bully who kept making fun of people's dps and telling me to go faster, while my healer was asking me to slow down to drink, and i *always* wait for my healers.
so ya, he gave me the "noob pally tank, don't be cheap and buy &$%^# reagents" speech.
/angry
i know you guys mean well by telling him to just use reagents, but heroics shouldn't be taking 20+ min to clear, and rebuffs take about 3 seconds to do, and another 3 seconds is needed to mana up with our low mana pool.
just not *that* big of a deal imo.
raids, however, are another story ;)
/flameon!
Dalzinho Jun 8th 2010 10:42AM
As a healer, I just stop healing people when they annoy me.
scott Jun 8th 2010 8:25AM
I whisper the abused (if they are right in the situation) and igno the foul mouth, then do a vote to kick as soon as possible . As a Healer as the guy above we get back in the q quick so no biggy
marblex Jun 8th 2010 8:26AM
I will not tolerate Aholes, period. Tanks that are running heroics just for frost badges who unilaterally decide they are skipping bosses; healers who only heal their friends; dps who grandstand and pull agro from lesser geared tanks... I vote to kick. I don't care how far we are into the dungeon, when I've had enough, that's it. My only regret is the stupid kick timer takes too damn long when you have an uncooperative player. If I can't kick em, I leave. I don't even care if I get a bit of a debuff. I play for fun and dealing with selfish pricks just isn't what I'm paying for.
Memorious Jun 8th 2010 8:27AM
As a paladin tank, if anything gets unpleasant I casually ask "how long is the DPS queue these days?"
Zoiaz Jun 8th 2010 8:29AM
I just CBA wasting energy and time on people that just want to be an dick. If it gets really serious though, I often just kick that person. One less obstacle to deal with;)
As I'm a priest I can't wait to punish these people with "Lifegrip" ;)
tahlatria Jun 8th 2010 8:29AM
I try not to turn into an a@@.. I really do. But I will come to the defense of another person in the run. I'm a old grandma.. I can take it, most likely heard it all before.
However, if the person who is getting harassed has been on the mark.. doing their best.. I usually use one of two lines to shut the jerks up pretty quickly:
1- Hmm someone have a bad day in gym class and feeling a bit insecure? (works every time.. I mean they usually can't figure out what I mean.. but they " think" they've been insulted.
2- Much harsher and can't go on here and used only in dire times.
Tyrnas Jun 8th 2010 8:28AM
In all honesty, if a reasonable suggestion that the boomie was absolutely correct didn't adjust their attitude, there's nothing you could do. The lack of accountability the new LFG tool provides simply precludes it, and as they had the majority in the group, any vote to kicks would go in their favor.
Your only options really would be to drop the group in protest or stop healing them. Is the second option a mature one? Hell no, but damn is it satisfying.
I actually had a similar situation happen to me when I was recently gearing out my newly 80 enhancement shaman. I was in H ToC and we'd just downed the 3 champions after the jousting event. My gear being rather low, I immediately dropped after the kill to drink and regen mana, facing away from the npc entrance gate. Someone who was in a rush started the next event, which resulted in my totems face pulling all three packs along with AC Paletress herself. Didn't go so well for us...
So, as we're running back I said "Sorry folks, didn't see we were pulling the next group, hadn't pulled back the totems yet" To which the healer responded "Sorry doesn't pay my repair bills"
He proceeded to get me killed another 3 times through not healing before I stood off to the side, refusing to dps until they kicked me.
Moral of the story: No amount of mature reasoning will placate some people on the internet. Try once, and then move on.
Armill3 Jun 8th 2010 8:47AM
You *have* to pull your totems up immediately after that fight. I know you were taking a moment, but this causes more wipes on this dungeon than anything else, and it's as odious as pet aggro.
Don't you get a mana refund for lifting your totems early anyway?
berry Jun 8th 2010 8:53AM
This happens to Shamans all the time in that instance. Faults happen, and in you're case I would say the person responsible is the one talking to the guy getting the next group although totems were standing in plain sight. I always say a polite "hey there are still totems up, mind getting rid of them before we call..."
It's a thing they could have easily avoided and if nobody in that group stood up for you despite you having apologized they were all a) having a bad day or b) were simply jerks.
I can't understand those people. As if everyone would think about everything all of the fricking time. Seriously!