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by Dawn Moore 
Jun 10th 2010 at 8:00PM
The preview confirms the full details on the long-awaited discipline ability, Power Word: Barrier. A new talent called Archangel was also unveiled. Hit the jump to check it out.
Since I'll be looking at everything talent-by-talent, you may want to look up the preview build I'm discussing. You can find the talents calculator from the preview at Wowhead.
Discipline Talent Tree
Tier 1 (Left to Right)
- Unbreakable Will (5 ranks available) Reduces the duration of stun, fear, and silence effects done to you by an additional 6/12/18/24/30%.
No changes here. (What better way is there than to start out a talent preview analysis than with a talent tier that has no changes?) - Twin Disciplines (5 ranks available) Increases the damage and healing done by your instant spells and the damage absorbed by your Power Word: Shield by 1/2/3/4/5%.
No change. (It was pointed out to me the tooltip for this ability changed to mention that PW:S benefits from the extra 5%. However, PW: S has always benefitted from the bonuses offered by Twin Disciplines before now, so the tooltip has simply been written to reflect that. Thanks!)
- Penitence (3 ranks) Increases the critical effect chance of your Smite and Penance spells by 5/10/15%.
When I wrote about the leaked talent trees previously, I wondered to myself where Holy Specialization had gone. This is one place that talent seems to have been divided. It will be a nice buff to Penance, though I am not sure it is needed. Even though a few crit talents are being moved around, you'd have to have terrible luck if most of your Penance ticks aren't already crits. Currently, I usually see two out of three ticks crit.
From the Smite side though, disc looks to be getting some of its old offensive capabilities back from TBC -- great for PvP, an unknown for PvE at the moment. You'll need these talents to move on to Evangelism in tier 4, assuming that's what you want. More on that further down. - Improved Inner Fire (3 ranks available) Increases the effect of your Inner Fire spell by 15/30/45%.
No change save for the removal of the charges, which we knew was coming. - Focused Power (2 ranks avaialble) Reduces the cast time of your Mind Control spell by 0.3/0.5 seconds, and your Mass Dispel cast time is reduced by 0.5/1 second.
Previously discussed. Currently, Focused Power sits in tier 6 of the discipline tree and grants throughput and reduced cast time on Mass Dispel. Now, the throughput has been replaced with utility and the talents moved to tier 2. This will allow greater accessibility to the utility for both holy and shadow priests. - Martyrdom (2 ranks available) Gives you a 50/100% chance to gain the Focused Casting effect that lasts for 6 seconds after being the victim of a melee or ranged critical strike. The Focused Casting effect reduces the pushback suffered from damaging attacks while casting priest spells and decreases the duration of interrupt effects by 10/20%.
No change.
- Atonement (3 ranks) When you deal damage with Smite, you instantly heal a nearby low-health friendly target within 40 yards equal to 15/30/45% of the damage dealt.
Yay! Priests get a splash effect heal ... sort of. I'm not sure on the value on this talent yet. It seems like it will lend itself well to PvP or questing, as it should buy you some time before casting a heal on your party (or yourself) when you're trying to focus down an enemy target. Its utility will depend on how strong and fast your Smites are versus how strong and fast the incoming damage is. - Inner Focus (1 rank available) Instant - 1.5 min cooldown - When activated, reduces the mana cost of your next spell by 100% and increases its critical effect chance by 25% if it is capable of a critical effect.
The cooldown is being halved from 3 minutes to 1.5. This change is long overdue in my opinion, so I'm pleased to see Blizzard feels the same way. Currently you can usually only get one to two uses of Inner Focus per fight, meaning most of us are sitting on this ability to pair it with Divine Hymn. Now we'll be able to think of using it for mana efficiency and those "I need a crit heal now" moments. Add in disc's Aspiration and it's another savvy cooldown for our toolbox. - Improved Power Word: Shield (3 ranks available) Increase the damage absorbed by your Power Word: Shield by 5/10/15%.
No change.
- Evangelism (2 ranks available) When you cast Smite you gain Evangelism, increasing the damage done by your Smite, Holy Fire, Holy Nova and Penance spells by 2/4% and reducing the mana cost of those spells by 3/6% for 15 seconds. Stacks up to 5 times.
Cute name, given the nature of the talent. (Am I the only person who would call Evangelism cute?) Looks like a great talent for disc damage in PvP and solo content. Past that, we'll have to wait until we get into beta to find the PvE utility in upper-end content. Ghostcrawler (lead systems designer) has said already that we'll probably want to shy away from damage talents in our healing specs, but come on -- you know we're all going to be trying it. - Mental Agility (3 ranks available) Reduces the mana cost of your instant cast spells by 4/7/10%.
No change. - Improved Mana Burn (2 ranks available) Reduces the cast time of your Mana Burn spell by 0.5/1 seconds.
No change.
Tier 5 (Left to Right)
- Archangel (1 rank available) Consumes your Evangelism effects, instantly restoring 3% of your total mana and increasing your healing done by 3% for each stack. Also allows you to channel Penance while moving. Lasts 18 seconds.
This talent intrigues me. There was a hybrid class in Warhammer called the Disciple of Khaine, which I enjoyed playing quite a bit. The idea was that you had to do damage to heal -- brilliant concept, except it wasn't executed all that well. I still love the concept though, and while I doubt Blizzard is trying to go for that with disc (after all, unless there is a reason for disc to deal damage, how would you use this talent in PvE?), it makes me get rather starry-eyed at the thought. I really would love to be able to cast Penance on the go in a raid (the way shamans will be able to cast on the run on cooldown), but it seems unlikely that we'll have an opportunity to be stacking up Evangelism in PvE past solo questing. At the very least, this kind of talent will be an excellent choice for leveling. - Enlightenment (3 ranks available) Increases your total mana and total health by 2/4/6%.
In addition to moving up from tier 6, Enlightenment has lost its 2/4/6% increased spirit and haste and exchanged them for increased mana and health. Kind of boring, but I suppose we'll be wanting the extra mana in the new mana management model. - Power Word: Barrier (1 rank available) Requires 2 points in Improved Power Word: Shield - 13383 Mana - 40 yd range - 0.5 sec cast - 3 min cooldown - Summons a holy barrier on the target location that absorbs 293 damage done to party or raid members within it each time they take damage. While within the barrier, spellcasting will not be interrupted by damage. The barrier lasts for 15 seconds or until it absorbs 1955 damage.
Previously discussed. As I said before, the cooldown is questionable when compared to shaman's Healing Rain, but if it scales nicely into the higher levels, I'll be swayed. As it stands, the spell has huge tactical benefits with the elimination of pushback, and given the game that I have envisioned from the various talent previews in the last couple of months (that is, a game with more area and movement play), I think Power Word: Barrier will have its place in PvE (and of course PvP) in Cataclysm.
- Reflective Shield (2 ranks available) Causes 22/45%% of the damage you absorb with Power Word: Shield to reflect back at the attacker. This damage causes no threat.
No change. - Soul Warding (3 ranks available) Requires 1 point in Power Word: Barrier - Reduces the cooldown of your Power Word: Shield ability by 1/2/3 seconds, and reduces the mana cost or your Power Word: Shield by 5/10/15%.
So looks like I was wrong when I said that I thought the extra ranks added to Soul Warding were just filler. Oh well; this talent has been moved down from tier 5 and had its ranks increased from one to three. Curiously, the new incarnation of the talents only reduce the cooldown on Power Word: Shield by 3 seconds, as opposed to the current 4 seconds. This makes me wonder if Blizzard is going to lower the Power Word: Shield cooldown to 3 seconds, or if this is what they meant when they said disc priests were going to have to use more than PW: S in Cataclysm. If it's the former, then no worries. If it's the latter, I'd say that's a really lame fix -- and this is coming from me, the optimist. Here's why.
When I read we'd be using more than our bubbles, I kind of figured it would be because we'd want to use other spells to maximize throughput and efficiency, not because we were going to be forced to. I remind you, Blizzard, that you created the ability for us to shield spam by introducing Soul Warding, then propagated its usage with the encounter designs in ToC and ICC. We could shield spam in Ulduar, but we didn't because it wasn't effective to do so until the structured chaos that was Algalon. Cool idea for one boss; not so cool for the next two tiers. Please don't think any of us ever wanted to be stuck pushing the same button over and over again; I know you watch Lost.
You know raiders (tricky bastards that we are) are going to min-max our roles to the crumbs. So if you didn't want us to shield spam, don't design fights that can be approached with a single method of healing for six minutes. Create fights that are fun to design and fun to heal, and you won't need a one-second cooldown on Power Word: Shield.
Tier 7 (Left to Right)
- Divine Aegis (3 ranks available) Critical heals create a protective shield on the target, absorbing 10/20/30% of the amount healed. Lasts 12 seconds.
No change save for moving up from tier 9. - Power Infusion (1 rank available) Requires 2 points in Enlightenment - 3294 Mana - 30 yd range - Instant cast - 2 min cooldown - Infuses the target with power, increasing spell casting speed by 20% and reducing the mana cost of all spells by 20%. Lasts 15 seconds.
No significant changes have been made to Power Infusion, but instead of requiring the five points from Mental Strength to take this talent, the preview states it will now only require two points of the new Enlightenment. I'm not sure if the two is intentional, as opposed to three (which is the maximum rank of Enlightenment), but we'll see. - Improved Flash Heal (3 ranks available) Reduces the mana cost of your Flash Heal by 5/10/15% and increases the critical effect chance of your Flash Heal by 4/7/10% on friendly targets at or below 50% health.
No change.
- Renewed Hope (2 ranks available) Increases the critical effect chance of your Flash Heal, Greater Heal and Penance (Heal) spells by 2/4% on targets afflicted by the Weakened Soul effect, and you have a 50/100% chance to reduce all damage taken by 3% for 1 minute to all friendly party and raid targets when you cast Power Word: Shield. This effect has a 15-second cooldown.
No change. - Rapture (3 ranks available) When your Power Word: Shield is completely absorbed or dispelled, you are instantly energized with 1.5/2/2.5% of your total mana, and you have a 33/66/100% chance to energize your shielded target with 2% total mana, 8 rage, 16 energy or 32 runic power. This effect can only occur once every 12 seconds.
No change. - Aspiration (2 ranks available) Reduces the cooldown of your Inner Focus, Power Infusion, Pain Suppression and Penance spells by 10/20%.
No change.
- Focused Will (3 ranks available) After taking a critical hit you gain the Focused Will effect, reducing all damage taken by 2/3/4% and increasing healing effects on you by 3/4/5%. Stacks up to 3 times. Lasts 8 seconds.
Previously discussed. The extra spell crit on Focused Will was removed, making this talent much more clearly designated for PvP. - Pain Suppression (1 rank available) 1647 Mana - 40 yd range - Instant cast - 3 min cooldown -Instantly reduces a friendly target's threat by 5%, reduces all damage taken by 40% and increases resistance to Dispel mechanics by 65% for 8 seconds.
No change. - Grace (2 ranks available) Your Flash Heal, Greater Heal, and Penance spells bless the target with Grace, increasing all healing received from the Priest by 2/4%. This effect will stack up to 3 times. Effect lasts 15 seconds. Grace can only be active on one target at a time.
Gone are the days of taking one talent in Grace. Each rank of these talents no longer increases the chance to apply Grace, but instead increases the stacking healing effect buff. Previously the buff was a static 3% that stacked up to three times. With the new Grace, you'll be able to stack a total of 12% increased healing on your target.
- Borrowed Time (5 ranks available) Grants 5/10/15/20/25% spell haste for your next spell after casting Power Word: Shield, and increases the amount absorbed by your Power Word: Shield equal to 4/8/12/16/20% of your spell power.
The absorption bonus has gone down from 8/16/24/32/40%, but otherwise, Borrowed Time remains intact. I'm curious if the alteration has anything to do with the possible addition of a second shield (stronger or weaker) that Blizzard talked about in the class previews, or if the missing plus absorption is just going to be picked up by discipline's mastery bonus.
- Penance (1 rank available) Enemy: 30 yd range - Friendly: 40 yd range - 3294 Mana - Channeled - 12 sec cooldown - Launches a volley of holy light at the target, causing 394 to 439 Holy damage to an enemy, or 1201 to 1354 healing to an ally instantly and every 1 second for 2 seconds.
The base healing and damage numbers have changed on this talent, with the healing going down and the damage going up. I doubt this is a nerf, seeing as they're redesigning so much, but we won't know for sure until later.
Afterthoughts
At this moment, I feel like the trees still feel very weighed down with healing and damage buffs. Blizzard already addressed this, saying that trimming the fat is a matter of perspective. I see where they're coming from, but I think it's largely a case of being burdened by the rather cemented aspect of the game, where we receive one talent point per level starting at level 10. They can't really slim down the trees and funnel those buffs into mastery without changing that system. If they did, they'd have to design 70 talents per tree that "did something," and that isn't feasible given the amount of staff dedicated to WoW (not to mention balance issues and the clutter it would create for us as players). That said, Blizz, darlings, you may have over-hyped mastery a little. I forgive you, though.
At this moment, I feel like the trees still feel very weighed down with healing and damage buffs. Blizzard already addressed this, saying that trimming the fat is a matter of perspective. I see where they're coming from, but I think it's largely a case of being burdened by the rather cemented aspect of the game, where we receive one talent point per level starting at level 10. They can't really slim down the trees and funnel those buffs into mastery without changing that system. If they did, they'd have to design 70 talents per tree that "did something," and that isn't feasible given the amount of staff dedicated to WoW (not to mention balance issues and the clutter it would create for us as players). That said, Blizz, darlings, you may have over-hyped mastery a little. I forgive you, though.
For now, I can't make many more conclusions until more information is released. I'm curious if Archangel is going to affect discipline's gameplay as a healer? What about the usage of Power Word: Barrier in PvE? What will define discipline as it grows up past its adolescence as a PvE spec? Will all of these changes make players want to PvP more? Those are my thoughts for now; any more major conclusions may take a few days of stewing. Check back in with Spiritual Guidance on Sunday, where I may interject any loose ends I've missed here. Or I may talk about bunnies.
Next, check out the talent preview analysis for holy and Fox Van Allen's shadow analysis.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 2)
Meldas Jun 12th 2010 4:24AM
Wasn't Twin Disciplines also changed (now it also buffs PW:S)?
For a Disc PvE build you either put two points in 'Unbreakable Will' or go down the 'Archangel' lane with 'Penitence'. Overall, if you take 'Penitence', 'Evangelism', 'Searing Light', 'Divine Fury', 'Divine Accuracy' and 'Holy Reach' you WILL have a formidable 'Smite' and a good damage version of 'Penance' and a nice 'Holy Fire' to back it up.
Is this enough to introduce a whole new role to raids? The 'Emergency raid healer/protector with damage dealing' role? We have to wait and see...
anipokez Jun 11th 2010 3:22AM
Minor correction: Twin Disciplines was given 5% increase to PW:S absorbs, which it didn't used to have. That still means we're losing 15% absorb increases relative to the current game (since they nerfed BT) but as you said, presumably masteries will cover some of that as well.
Dawn Moore Jun 11th 2010 10:45AM
Twin Disciplines has always given a bonus to PW: S, even though it was never noted in the tooltip. I will make a notation about that though, since you brought it up.
GrumpyJester Jun 11th 2010 5:35AM
Man, I have to say I'm *pleasantly surprised* with these new talents!
After the Mastery system and the changes to the Death Knight class (only one tanking tree) I really feared Blizzard was pushing this game even further towards "efficiency" rather than "fun". But apparently the fun was brought back through new talents.
Vogie Jun 11th 2010 10:21AM
Yeah, one comment I needed to make was about Improved Power Word: Shield.
That talent shouldn't exist. That ability IS the Discipline mastery.
PistolPeet Jun 11th 2010 7:51AM
Well! We'll definitely have to see how this all plays out on the newly designed encounters. Reading through all of these changes I can't see where they're aiming the Disc spec.
I did a little jump for joy when playing with the talent calculator and had enough points for Spirit of Redemption on my disc spec! If that remains the same I'll be very interested to see how it plays out. PW:S is an odd spell as far as when it's classified as "healing" and when it isn't (it didn't get the buff to healing from ICC, was still usable in Loetheb) and I don't think it's currently usable in SoR form (although can't remember, Holy is my offspec and I usually spam CoH, PoH & PoM when SoR) so may reduce a disc's priests utility if the current signature disc spell is unusable.
I'm a bit upset that the talents that buff PW:S don't seem to also buff PW:B. I realise it could potentially be OP but with such a long cooldown I think that'd take care of it. I want my invincibility bubble damnit ;)
aerowannabe Jun 11th 2010 9:50AM
Can someone please help me out here? I'm still confused as to why people are miffed by the cooldown on Power Word: Barrier. The tooltip says it costs 65% of base mana! 65%!! Even in this article, it says 13k mana. Sure I've seen some disco priests with 30k ish mana (I don't raid), but even then that's only two casts with not much left over. Not to mention the fact that you'll be casting nearly constantly in a dungeon fight; who knows, you may not even have that kind of mana a minute or two into the fight to even be able to use it for an oh s%^& moment.
I realize that the talent trees are not done yet and so all the talents that improve shield might improve barrier, but you people are pretty optimistic about mana regen/cost/inc damage to think that barrier needs a lowered cooldown.
Am I missing some talents that reduce the cost? Do we think that it just won't cost that much from the get go? Should I have just listened to myself and shut up until the Beta came?
visitingl337n00b Jun 11th 2010 4:18PM
The 13k mana shown in this article is presumably the amount it will cost at level 85. At level 80, 65% of base mana would be 2510, for a point of comparison. Another way to look at it is the PoH costs 48%, so Barrier costs 35% more than PoH.
We can actually figure out level 85 base mana from this, you get 20589 if you use PW:B to get it or 20588 if you use Power Infusion. For reference, then, Power Word: Shield will cost 4735 before talents, 3551 after.
holyhaberdashery Jun 11th 2010 10:53AM
I believe the nay sayers are missing the point of these new dps talents.
Try looking at it this way, and it makes much more sense:
In Cataclysm mana management will be more of an issue so the length of fights will have greater impact on our longevity. Now, what if by adding dps to a fight we not only take the boss down faster, but additionally increase our healing efficiency, throughput and mana regen? The addition of talents like Penitence, Atonement, Evangelism, Archangel, Searing Light (new), and Divine Accuracy allow us to help shorten fights while adding all of the healing utility I just mentioned. Granted, you can still go for a pure healing build that focuses on throughput and efficiency and skip out on this new approach, but there are many of us who would love to heal and dps.
As a priest that has a harm/help mouseover macro for every spell (combining both a heal and damage spell) so I can add dps in certain situations while still keeping everyone alive--I welcome these new talents. I played Warhammer online for a few months as a Warrior Priest. Every time I unleashed Divine Fury, a damaging melee attack that heals your a targeted ally, I thought about my WoW Priest and thought--if only I could Smite face and heal at the same time!
The base of the matter is that if I have a choice between more throughput and efficiency (which means I just "chill" between heals), and weaving damage spells into my rotation to increase throughput and efficiency, I'll gladly choose B.
I'm not bagging on people who "just want to heal". I just want to point out that this adds such a stimulating and amazing amount of depth to the class. I'm looking forward to this. I hope it makes it to live.
zdave Jun 11th 2010 11:30AM
"I played Warhammer online for a few months as a Warrior Priest. Every time I unleashed Divine Fury, a damaging melee attack that heals your a targeted ally."
well that sounds awfully familiar. isn't there a class in WoW that has an ability like that? pretty much exactly that? like a really really popular class?
Amathir Jun 11th 2010 1:24PM
@zdave Yes, but the feel was honestly way different. Because of the double targeting system of WAR you could do a channeled melee attack to do medium damage that would do heavy healing on your friendly target. WoW's Blood DK only heals themself. Also, the WAR Warrior Priest became the "melee healer" not only in terms of mechanics, but also in that one of their bread and butter heals was a melee attack which converted damage to healing, but only for those in melee range of the WP.
What it looks like WoW's going for with the new damage talents in the Disc and Holy trees is more for additional PvP capabilities as well as easier leveling while in Disc/Holy spec. You're only ever doing one or the other at a time. Saying you're doing both because of Atonement is like saying that Shadow spec is a half healer because of Vamp Embrace. Thought it helps, it's passive and minor compared to all out healing.
Sharvis Jun 11th 2010 11:40AM
Just wanted to chime in that I like the screenshots for both articles and in previous ones you've written. I enjoy looking at them. :)
Amathir Jun 11th 2010 1:18PM
I'd actually like to see the second point in Grace increase the total number of stacks allowed, rather than the 2%4% it gives now. This would give even more incentive to single target healing specs to focus on their target. The end result is still 12%, but it just takes 6 stacks to get there rather than 3 stacks.
tkc Jun 11th 2010 12:42PM
IMHO, the disc priest changes seem to make disc priests the ultimate hybrid. If you want to dps as a priest you go shadow. If you want to heal as a priest you go holy. If you want to do both you go disc.
If these changes hold up then I'll wager you'll see a lot more disc priests doing the BG healing thing. For arena teams it would be a nice piece of utility to have a player who can heal and dps.
All of this and it still looks as if you can be very viable as a PvE healer by going into the holy tree.
It looks to me like discs priests are getting a big bucket of win for Cata.
visitingl337n00b Jun 11th 2010 4:02PM
I've built a smite dps spreadsheet for the following build:
http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#bVI0uMh0zZfE0IkMsbz0xu0Mb0xf
In my current 10-player ICC gear my spreadsheet damage is around 8200 with around 2250 healing per second being handed out to low health raid members in 3.2k chunks if patch 4.0 hit today. It seems like smite priests might be able to fill in the elusive role of the half-dps, half-healer, which would be pretty amazing for 10 player content when having to choose between 2 and 3 healers can often be a pain.
berry Jun 12th 2010 5:06AM
Somehow I think with these changes Disc will again be purely PvP. Just like during BC. You can't get down the tree without spending points in offensive abilities.
I won't go back to Disc if there is a need to do loldamage during boss fights. I'm there to heal, not to waste mana doing damage...
If I want a hybrid I go play my druid.
Ragen Jun 12th 2010 4:04PM
Um.... Last time I looked we were a hybrid class :-P
It may not be exciting for you (which I can understand), but the idea of being able to heal and DPS at the same time makes me excited.
berry Jun 12th 2010 4:22PM
Priests and hybrid... uhm... yeah, then we play different games. Or I played it too long, since Priest were like a healing class way back.
Doesn't matter, but you don't make healing more interesting by forcing healers to dps.
I don't have a Shadow spec for a reason.
Let's see how this plays out, but I have a feeling that Blizz has a different understanding of what makes a fight more challenging.
Maybe you will have to have a few dps abilities for certain fights, like Leotheras was in SSC. But I doubt that it will be very usable besides PvP.
Ragen Jun 12th 2010 5:57PM
A hybrid is a spec that can perform two or more roles reasonably well. The only pure classes in the game are Mages, Warlocks, Hunters, and Rogues. Priests even back then has shadow DPS. It was a bit lackluster, but reasonable in play.
Yes, DPS does make it more interesting. They have said multiple times they want to get rid of the Green Bar tunnel vision, and one of those routes is through DPS. Why do you think they are allowing resto druids to use their offensive moves by changing the Tree of Life Form? Or the fact that paladins have been doing it for a while now? Shaman shocks?
We are the only class in the entire game with two talent trees devoted to healing. What's wrong with one of those being devoted to a neat little idea of DPS-to-heal spells? If your so hooked on healing, Holy won't have to Smite-spam much (Current builds require some form of smite treatment).
If you really want to avoid the smite talents, be my guess (Like Dawn and a few other suggested). As for me (if they make it through that is) I will be having fun being the all-round healer =P