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6-11-2010 @ 4:10PM
Though the community as a whole has gotten smarter overall, the LFD system can still prove there are many players who either don't get it or just don't care.
6-11-2010 @ 4:40PM
Another aspect of raiding that has changed (drastically) over the last 5 years is the accessibility, and I think the influx of "fail pugs" is just as much the community's doing as Blizzard's.Even before the LFD tool, Wrath was primed to expand raiding to a much larger portion of the player-base, all of whom had probably never raided before. This meant the older raiders, the the veteran minority, had to handle a huge influx of people, skilled and otherwise, who may not have ever had a max level character, let alone raided. Imagine the percentage of people who ever stepped into the Sunwell, and compare it to the percentage who have been into ICC. Raiding moved from being "you have to be good to raid" to "raid to get good".This new influx meant teaching a whole new group of people wtf a void zone was, or what an off-tank and second healer did, or how to use loot tokens and emblems, how to look up a solid spec and rotation (understanding survivability talents don't do you much good as a raiding dps since you rarely take damage) and how to use vent, and all the things they'd been doing in their sleep for the last couple years (that's what made Naxx's rehash so brilliant, imo). It also, in many cases, meant having a whole lot of patience.The LFD tool, both seriously harmed and seriously helped this new pool of raiders. I helped in that it gave those who never wanted or found a solid guild a chance to train their skills and get a fighting chance into new content. But it also hurt in the same way it helped, it took away a lot of the "community" found on a lot of realms, and it made getting your dailies done vastly easier without a guild. It was still doable without a guild pre-LFD, but man was it easier and a lot less riskier. Without a solid group of players to teach these people how to be better, they simply stagnated. This combined with the "not OK again!!!!11 I just want my frosts so lets skip half the trash and two bosses and get this done in 4 minutes" attitude, left a lot of players who hadn't been taught the basics yet in the dust, I feel. Those who got to flail around and get the hang of things in Naxx and early Uld were lucky.So, as a community, I think we were responsible (more or less) for teaching these new players how to raid, and I think our response to this has manifest itself in the LFD people you find today. And I also think that come Cata, the player-base will have gotten, as a whole, a little smarter and more-raid savvy, and I think Wrath will be known as the giant stepping stone.Now granted in the LFD system, there are still ass-hats, people who refuse good help, people who know damn well what to do and are jerks anyway, people who insist on getting Nexus done in 5 minutes or less, and people who never would put in the time to be better if they got the help they wanted. Also granted that many people were simply responding to the system Blizzard put in place, and that the anonymous nature of the LFD system makes it easier to be an ass.
6-11-2010 @ 4:41PM
PS- Sorry for wall of text. Didn't realize how long that was until I actually posted it, hehe.
6-11-2010 @ 5:21PM
And compare the percentage of people who got into Sunwell to Classic Naxx 40.
6-11-2010 @ 7:49PM
@N-Train...you basically summed up what I was thinking. Just didn't have time to post all that at work. Thank you for saving my hands the work.
6-11-2010 @ 8:52PM
@JeffSure, there are a lot of players who are not very competent using the LFD tool, but a lot of them are new players to WoW. If new players aren't allowed to learn and make mistakes using the LFD, that's pretty unreasonable.
6-12-2010 @ 11:30AM
@uncaringbearWhile making mistakes is understandable. Standing in fire at lvl 80 is not.
9-02-2010 @ 2:02PM
I'm late posting on this one. Sorry for that. But i do want to respond that I have seen a lot of raiders now using all these new tools to get their information.. however.. in the process for a lot of those, it's more a "Let me get my hand held and they'll just tell me how to do it and i'll be good.. I took talent A, talent B and talent F because someone on a website said to, but if you ask me why or what those talents do, I have no clue! So now I'm in T10 gear because I got carried doing half-baked DPS and I still can't do NEAR the output or perform NEAR as well as someone else who learned by EXPERIENCE instead of by reading it on a website that just told them what to do"Granted there's good websites that give the when where why how of everything, but in essence the game is complex and if all you're doing is reading topically and glazing the surface of information given, there's no benifit because you're not truly learning and understanding how to apply it.There's also the example of players going to websites like Elitist Jerks or looking up high ranked players and just taking all the same gems or the same stats that that person does... in essence you'd think 'ok this person is highly ranked i should just copy them rite?'wrong.why?Because a highly ranked guilds players often have specialized builds and gear for their current content -which is probably beyond what 85% of the raiders in the rest of the world are working on.. Say a healer in ToC or Ulduar is stacking int because of what boss strategies require.. but then they look at someone in ICC who's stacking haste instead because the damage is spikier and requires quicker heals in tight spots or during lots of movement.. if that healer says 'ohh this high ranked person is stacking haste, so should I!' then they go back to the content they're working on and heal great the first five minutes but go OOM after and on general V because now that healer has 10k less mana pool and the raid wipes because of it... well.. was that really such a great idea? People take things out of context from a lot of these sites and they see a great thing but they don't learn how to apply it to what THEY are doing. or they don't understand it may not apply to THEM AT ALL. Personally, I started playing in original wow, so I know what it's like to have to play the guess-work game and learn by mistakes and experience over finding something on a website so I'm very comfortable with feeling out the needs of a raid I'm in and gemming and gearing in that direction; applying my 'feeling'. I do read sites for boss strats and sometimes the math formulas behind all the healing stuff so I have a deeper understanding of the mechanics of things but I don't put all my hopes in the cut and dry mathematics and website reading that some ppl do.. i don't feel like raids are just numbers, but rather a flow of experiences that we must bend to and be reflexive toward.. if you pay attention to that, the hard numbers will line up perfectly in your experience without you even knowing.
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