Gold Capped: The basics of selling glyphs

Selling glyphs can be very profitable. It requires a lot of addons to work, and the market reacts to competition differently than other markets. However, a lot of auctioneers got their start with it. I know I did!
Glyph toolbox
To successfully sell glyphs, you need to be able to manage 345 different products, each with their own mix of supply and demand. They also don't share the same mats for creation, and there's no really efficient way to pare down that list without costing yourself money. A lot of people will stick to the "core" glyphs (the proper ones for PvE and PvP for each class), hoping that the increased demand will yield higher profitability, however because there are people who do this, the supply for this subset of all the glyphs in the game is also higher.
Long story short, the default UI is not made for managing auctions in this volume. You absolutely need addons. Let's break this down by task, and look at what the addons do for us.
To mill herbs, you will want Auctioneer. See my post about automation to look at the different ways there are to increase throughput. Also, unless you see a stellar deal on old world mats somewhere, the best herbs to mill are Northrend ones. There are two classes of herbs: those that mill into 6 Ink of the Sea and 1 Snowfall, and those that mill into 5 IotS and half a Snowfall. Calculate the value of Snowfalls based on your ability to sell non-glyph items, and then see which herb is the best deal. Statistically, overall, your best choices are generally Adder's Tongue, Tiger Lily or Talandra's Rose. Do the math yourself on your realm, though.
To make glyphs, you should use the Lilsparky fork of Skillet, as well as Lilsparky's Workshop (if you intend to only make profitable glyphs). The Skillet fork supports a queue and automated buying. You queue up the glyphs you want to make, visit the Dalaran Ink Trader, and click the button to purchase all the lower level inks you will need, and then just make sure you visit the parchment vendor to the left to get all the parchment that you'll need. To queue only the glyphs that have sold since you last crafted, you'll need KTQ, which requires Altoholic. Bear in mind that KTQ can cause weird errors if you try anything fancy with it. Consider turning off all addons but the ones it needs while crafting glyphs.
To sell glyphs, while you can use Auctioneer, it's not recommended. Auctioneer's pricing database is awesome for things like enchant scrolls, however all glyphs have just about the same cost, give or take the difference in parchment cost. You will be much happier once you install and learn QA3. It's the perfect glyph selling addon because you can fit every single glyph in the game into a single group, and have the same pricing rules. Some people like QA3 for other markets too, but I find that managing the huge number of product groups becomes tedious. QA3 also supports two click cancellation of undercut auctions, which is key for glyphs.
Other tools you'll need include bank alts with tons of glyph bags, and possibly a guild bank or two to store mats and glyphs.
The popularity of the glyph market
If there was exactly one person on each server with inscription, and they listed every single glyph for 50g, they would make hundreds of thousands of gold per month. There is huge demand for glyphs, and generally, people will just buy it instead of trying to get the mats and have it made. Of course, there are no servers left without glyph competition, and unlike competition for something where there are only a few different types of items (like belt buckles or enchanting mats), competition in the glyph market has more than one way to reduce your profits.
In another market; say, for example, enchanting mats, increased competition means more undercutting, heavier undercutting, and lower profit margins. The demand is also quite flexible, because as prices go down, there are more buyers of opportunity and more people who can afford better enchants. In the glyph market, however, the demand is quite a bit less flexible. If prices go way down, people are unlikely to "stock up because I'll need a stack of kill shot glyphs eventually." If prices go way up, people are less likely to "wait until tomorrow or have a friend make it for me." There is no such thing as completely inelastic demand, but glyphs are as close to that as it gets in this game.
Competition among glyph sellers is done two ways, and each has its own effect.
- The more time a glyph seller can spend canceling auctions and re-undercutting their competition, the less glyphs sold by everyone else.
- The more a glyph seller is willing to undercut their cheapest competitor, the less profit will be made by the next person to list a batch.
Of course, the obvious answer to most reasonable people without hours to spend grinding their "cancel" and "list" buttons into a fine dust is to undercut heavily, reasoning that they can make reduce the profits of the grinders so much that they'll find some other market. Assuming both sides of the competition equation have a lot of stamina to keep with it over the long run, nobody will ever make money.
Don't just listen to my advice, see for yourself
There are subtleties to glyph making and pricing that I've not touched on here -- this article is long enough without deep-diving into concepts like glyph walling, supply attacks, undercutting strategies and mat valuation. The reality is, though, that with this information, you'll have all the tools that the other glyph sellers use.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Kyrro Jun 16th 2010 6:12PM
To all new Scribes out there:
ITS NOT WORTH IT! NOTHING TO SEE HERE!
Basil Berntsen Jun 16th 2010 6:16PM
AMG, no more competition!
Abbadon Jun 16th 2010 6:20PM
Really... Nothing to see here.. Just move along... Keep going...
Netheral Jun 16th 2010 6:38PM
These are not the scribes you're looking for... *waves hand*
Gemini Jun 16th 2010 7:40PM
Don't spoil our fun! Silence with our trade secrets! We only have until Cata to milk our profession--I MEAN, the profession is worthless, don't rope poor newbies into it.
Furlover Jun 17th 2010 4:57PM
Don't worry - I'm a new scribe and this all sounds horrendously complicated with requirements for various addons and stuff. You guys can keep your market if these are the hoops you have to go through to make serious cash out of inscription!
Very nice article however - I've no doubt it's beneficial to people that don't get scared off by requiring more than one addon to do something with your profession to make gold ( like me :D )
gustav Jun 16th 2010 6:16PM
wooow thank you for this ive been trying to find the best professions to make the most money out of and im definitely gonna try this out on my main thanks!!!
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BritishBulldog Jun 17th 2010 5:02AM
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Oteo Jun 16th 2010 6:17PM
Logging in every hour in order to make virtual money?
Sounds like Farmville...
Basil Berntsen Jun 16th 2010 6:18PM
I knew there was a reason I hated this market! :P
Mintos Jun 17th 2010 5:42AM
"FARMVILLE THA BEST FREAKING GAME ON THA FACE OF THE EARTH!! *n3rdr4g3*"
Omicron Jun 17th 2010 3:50AM
And it's about to get a LOT worse very soon. Why, you may ask?
The Mobile Auction House app.
Johan Jun 17th 2010 6:22AM
Which is limited to 25 (or 50) auctions/day.
Azizrael Jun 16th 2010 6:30PM
I've had herb/inscription at 450 on my DK for months now, and I just don't have the time to begin trying to make a serious run at gold on him. I get the feeling you could write books of information on the glyph market and how to actually work it, and still only scratch the surface.
I'll leave it to you professionals.
Pyromelter Jun 16th 2010 7:52PM
Aren't runescrolls usually something that sells well? Plus the other "simple" way to make G is milling and selling inks, napkin math should be able to tell you whether that is profitable or not.
Bronwyn Jun 17th 2010 1:04AM
I find the runescroll market is really variable and subject to a lot of the same undercutting you get with glyphs.
MauzzkylGhostlands Jun 16th 2010 7:15PM
You know, a lot of articles on this site are geared toward the extremely casual WoW player, because it's easier to write about those articles and inject a lot of fluff about the topic without a whole lot of hard content. That's fine for people who are just starting their first 80, or still leveling a brand new class, but articles that don't apply to that kind of person are kinda rare.
That's why I liked this article. It had good data, sound advice that you can't find just anywhere, and it covered something that hasn't been covered a bajillion times before on this site. Well done.
Kyrro Jun 17th 2010 10:21AM
Yup, this is considered business secrets to 99% of all glyphers. This is something you wont even find on official forums, or whatever (especially the KTQ + Skillet part). I don't know how many days worth of time I've been spending on queueing glyphs.
I found KTQ on a forum a few weeks ago, and felt like i was on the top of the world. Now I'm back on earth with you guys again. :)
wutsconflag Jun 16th 2010 6:35PM
Honestly, it isn't worth it. Not anymore.
Someone else always has more time to spend sitting in front of their computer than you do (this is even more true now that school tends to be out for most kids in America), Auctioneer and RTS running while they watch a movie on a second monitor. The moment they notice you posting your auctions, they cancel all of their and relist. Or, they wait for you to log off, and then they cancel all undercut and relist for 1c under you. Generally, they'll relist 8-10 glyphs, basically insuring yours will never sell.
I undercut by almost a gold (to drive down prices) if I undercut, and the competition on my server has dropped the price of glyphs to just at/below cost on a couple of occasions. (For a couple of weeks, there were a handful of glyphs selling above 3g, and the rest were below that.)
If you get very lucky, and a competitor or two takes a vacation (doesn't log in for a few days), you could make a lot of gold, but aside from that, you're better off in another profession.
Couple this with the news that supposedly glyphs are going to be buy/learn once and never have to buy again, and it seems like the money-making potential of Inscription just sank quite a bit.
The flip side to this, however, is that being an herbalist can make you a lot of gold. On my medium-pop server, with the exception of the occasional hacker selling hundreds of auctions for very cheap, herb prices for the past few months have hovered between 30 and 100g for things like Adder's Tongue, Goldclover, etc.
Can you still make gold from Glyphs? Sure. But don't, for an instant, think it's going to be as easy as you read about, unless you get very, very lucky.
games Jun 16th 2010 10:07PM
Ahh, but half the market for herbs will dry up when the market for Glyphs go under with CAT.