Gold Capped: Meta gem deep dive

I've talked before about meta gems, however I feel they deserve more than a paragraph buried in the middle of a jewelcrafting post. Like many of the best businesses, metas are purchased by all end game players and many leveling players. They provide a hefty bonus to PvE and PvP, come in a variety of flavors and (most importantly) get purchased every time someone upgrades their helm.
Since the majority of helm upgrades happen soon after lockout, this is one of those items that you'll want to post on the most popular raid nights on your realm. Typically that means Tuesday through Thursday. Also, like every market in the game, your tenacity in the long run will determine your success. If you make a batch of 30 gems, sell them vigorously, and then move onto something else, you're not going to make nearly as much profit as you can by making them regularly, listing them regularly, and potentially having a higher profit per unit by having stock available every single time there's a demand surge.
Make and cut
Meta gems are cut from either Earthsiege Diamonds or Skyflare Diamonds. These raw diamonds can only be produced by an alchemist transmutation. The raw mats for the earthsieges are an Eternal Fire and two raw green gems you can get from prospecting Northrend ore: Huge Citrine and Dark Jade. The mats for making skyflares are an Eternal Air, a Chalcedony, and a Bloodstone. All of these mats should be readily available on the AH, however if you happen to be involved in the Saronite Shuffle, you can just use your own mats. Obviously, you will have a 20% boost to your yield if your alchemist is transmute specialized.
Once you have your raw gems, you need to cut them. Heading on over to wowpopular.com's meta gem list tells me the most popular gems:
- Chaotic Skyflare Diamond
- Ember Skyflare Diamond
- Relentless Earthsiege Diamond
- Austere Earthsiege Diamond
- Insightful Earthsiege Diamond
Price and sell
Now that you have your cut gems, you need to price and sell them. The beautiful part of this market is that with so few different types of items, you can actually use any interface you want and will be about as efficient as anyone else. Even the default posting interface is sufficient. That said, I use either Auctioneer or QA3 to automatically undercut and manage my cost threshold.
When pricing your cut metas, try to estimate the demand you expect for the period they'll be up. If it's a low demand high supply day like a Saturday, you'll need to list at a larger discount and can still expect stiff undercutting from your competition. My strategy is to post smaller batches and check them more frequently and undercut a little more heavily. I can make many more of these gems than I can sell, however, so there's no sense flooding the market at a low profit on the weekends because I'm just inviting someone to buy me out and relist my stock on a raid night.
On high demand days like Tuesdays, my strategy is to list much larger batches. If I'm undercut, unless the person listed a lot of stock, I'll often ignore them and wait for them to be bought out. If, however, your competition lists a very large batch, it can be worth it to re-undercut them back. Still, since I raid on the majority of the heavy demand nights, I take a "set it and forget it" approach. I'll list a bunch of metas at maybe 10% under Auctioneer's market price.
Additionally, if you have the ability to make more meta gems than you can sell cut, you might want to consider selling raw meta gems. Be aware that this can potentially cost you sales, however if you price the raw gems close to the expensive cuts, you'll be "reinforcing" your price. Clients that search for the mats, reasoning that they can probably find a crafter to cut it for a tip, will see your auctions and potentially elect to just buy the cut gem instead. If this is the effect you're going for, list the raw gems in singles. If you list them in stacks, the only people interested in them will be your competitors, and they probably have the ability to make them themselves. Typically, the only people who list raw metas in bulk are alchemists who do not have an alt with jewelcrafting.
Lastly, an important part of every business, this included, is knowing your cost. Because the yield from every transmute is random, it's important to know that on average, in the long run, you'll make 20% more meta gems than you did transmutes. I'd recommend against calculating the cost every time you do a batch. If you have a really lucky streak, instead of calculating a lower cost for this batch, simply assume that it will be made up for by an unlucky streak in the future. Your cost per raw gem is the price of the mats for a single transmute divided by 1.2. As an example: if it cost you 21G to do a transmute, your final meta gem cost is 17.5g.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Adeany Jun 23rd 2010 5:59PM
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Basil Berntsen Jun 23rd 2010 7:17PM
Why is this downrated? Don't you people like vuvuzeBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Bronwyn Jun 23rd 2010 6:01PM
Thanks for the extra advice; I've been listing meta gems and not doing too badly, but I've struggled a bit with trying to decide times/amounts to list.
splodesondeath Jun 23rd 2010 6:13PM
I want more people to read these articles. They could have some really cool effects on the market.
For example, if lots of people try to follow the advice from this article, those Saronite Shufflers are going to be making a lot more dough.
And when someone realizes this, Saronite prices will jump. People may start to devote more time looking at the Saronite market than something else like glyphs, and then less competition with glyphs can mean more money for scribes. Then when the Saronite isn't selling anymore because prices are too high, the entire system reverses and restarts.
Of course the above situation will probably not be very noticeable on a large server, but I always find it really interesting when reading this column how much I don't realize straight away about the WoW economy. It's actually really simple, as long as you are willing to look carefully at sales, willing to do a little research and maybe even a little math, and willing to (if you're really going to "min-max" your profits) download time-saving addons.
Rob Jun 23rd 2010 6:47PM
Day to day these articles will have little impact I think. Its not like someone will level JC from scratch at this point and gain access to these recipes given the huge time sink required. Same with inscription, or alchemy (well less so).
More important are the in-game fixes, for example allowing you to buy arctic fur from 10 HBL, or the frozen orb vendor, these had huge changes. And most important: Gold farmers. I love these guys, they dump tons of raw materials on the market which I then swoop up when there is a need. Everyone wins. I get supply, my customers get cheaper products, and some dude gets gold, and another dude in china gets US currency, which he can use to better his life.
uncaringbear Jun 23rd 2010 7:02PM
@Rob
Speaking of in-game fixes, did anyone else notice the change to listing fees for glyphs? Glyphs now cost 1 silver each to list, up from the previous trivial few copper. This may not sound like a huge change, but if you're a high volume glyph seller and listing in the thousands every day, it will add up.
Did I miss seeing this in the patch notes? If I did, I apologize in advance for being unobservant, stupid, etc.
Abbadon Jun 23rd 2010 7:13PM
Heheh... I noticed a few new names in the glyph market today. What I find funny is that they're just dipping their toes in with maybe 10 pricey glyphs... Come on! Jump in; you won't drown.
And I'm so giddy... I got my 2nd piece of hatemail today, but it's been so long, it felt like my first! Weeeeee!!
wutsconflag Jun 23rd 2010 7:20PM
Couple of new players in the Glyph market on my server, too. One of them seems to be online literally 24/7, and so instead of trying to compete (constant undercutting is boring), I've dropped prices to just slightly over cost to ensure that, while they may sell more glyphs than me, they aren't making much of a profit. If I sell even one glyph a day, I make more than enough to pay the auction house fees.
Eventually, they'll give up ... or they'll buy me out and force me to make more glyphs that I'll keep posting at ridiculously low (but slightly profitable) prices. Win win for me. Wonder how long they'll keep trying?
Rob Jun 23rd 2010 9:14PM
@wutsconflag
Its your $15, but i've been there. Do you really want to waste your time in a game that only you are playing? Its very demoralizing to sell your glyphs at cost. What you could do is keep researching if you aren't complete, keep a high threshold like 10g, check 2x a day, or esp during the morning, most people aren't on. Add your competition to your friends list, get their pattern. Don't be above posting as soon as they log off. If they are too low, buy out their glyphs. With the changes for cataclysm, every glpyh will be profitable.
Also don't ignore runescrolls, snowfall, darkmoon cards, vellums. In my bad market this was 90% of sales .
Do you have deep pockets? Keep the herb prices high. You can store an infinite amount of herbs just by sending them from one bank toon to the next. Very few people stay in the market for more than a month, just be persistant and don't blow everything right now, esp when you have so many opportunities elsewhere.
wutsconflag Jun 23rd 2010 9:34PM
@ Rob
Actually, I'll waste, at most, a half hour per day or every two days doing this. When I was posting twice per day, I'd actually spend an hour and a half (collect gold, scan, cancel undercut, make new glyphs, post). Sure, it was worth a lot more gold without the competition, but it took more time, too.
As far as my current competitors go, like I said, this guy is online all the time (it's possible he sleeps at some point between 2am and 8am, maybe). In the morning when I log in, after lunch, in the afternoon or at night, he's sitting there. Within ten seconds of posting a glyph, he's cancelling and undercutting by a copper.
At first, I thought I'd play his game, but now I've decided to just starve him of profits. Takes less time, I can post my glyphs for 48 hours and just not worry about them (except to replace any he buys out).
At some point, he'll give up and go away. Until then ... *shrug* ... I can do something else that doesn't take a lot of my time. As for the demoralizing comment, that's what I'm hoping for. I've driven out two or three competitors this way in the past. *eg*
Oh, and I appreciate the recommendation about scrolls, cards, etc. Unfortunately, the Darkmoon cards are generally a wash (except for the occasional Nobles card that sells) since most of them sell for less than mats theses days unless you get very lucky. I generally have an overabundance of Snowfall ink, so turning it into Runescrolls and selling it is always nice (when it sells). I haven't really looked at selling vellums, but I suppose those could be worth some gold, too.
Bronwyn Jun 24th 2010 2:00AM
@Wuts- Vellums can be very lucrative, ESPECIALLY armor/weapon vellum IIs because there generally aren't many people who bother with them- but demand is very spikey (based on when people are plvling their enchanting).
Brett the Roman Jun 23rd 2010 9:00PM
For the life of me I keep forgetting if meta transmutes are still on the 1 day cooldown or if they were removed from it Saronite bars > Titanium bars; anyone have an idea on how that works today?
I usually just buy raw gems when they get piled up for cheap and cut them myself as the popular meta cuts (or some of the less frequently cut ones which tend to spike anyway because other JC's pay less attention to keeping larger stocks of them on the ah; these cuts sometimes put me up almost 40g from a raw gem to a cut one on my server. It's like printing money!)
If however the transmutes don't have the cooldown attached at the moment, I'll have to start using my xmute specialist to build up a stock; getting the raw mats is guaranteed to be cheaper. Anyway, noting the posting trends after lockout resets is also useful information; I'll have to put it to good use.
And may I say, I love these articles. I have several alts with a couple maxed professions in different areas, so I tend to benefit pretty heavily when I catch wind of a market demand surge which one of my gatherer's/crafters can meet. It's fun times digging for gold :D
Abbadon Jun 23rd 2010 9:26PM
The meta transmutes don't have a CD... Go to town!!
icepyro Jun 23rd 2010 9:38PM
Is there really profit here? I mean, the more useful meta gems do sell for a reasonable price (although I don't know how cost works in for my server), but I buy a couple dozen metas each week because they're listed less than what I get by selling them to vendors.
Bronwyn Jun 23rd 2010 10:43PM
There is profit, but there are only, well, about 4-6 metas that you can sell on the AH for even a halfway decent price.
Basil Berntsen Jun 23rd 2010 11:03PM
You're probably buying the pvp reward metas.
Neyssa Jun 24th 2010 3:27AM
I bought two meta gem recipes, one healer (intellect+mana restore) and one cat-rouge style. They sell on our server for 50-70g. The primal either takes about 5 minute to farm, or about 20g (consider buying a Frozen Orb if its cheap), and the 2 gems cost about 5-10g each (if you prospect saronite it might be even cheaper). Not a huge profit but not a huge investment either. They sell very easily, i usually sell 5-6 on a raid night (with no cancelling, etc).
Also, I do think that transmute specialization is proccing more on metas than on epic gems. I only had a few x2 epic gem procs (although i have two transmute alchemists), but with meta, I almost always have double proc, and sometimes even x4. Maybe I was just lucky but I would calculate 1 set of mats = 2 meta gems.
Basil Berntsen Jun 24th 2010 7:43AM
@Neyssa you're not looking at a large enough sample size. Over the long run, every transmute specced alchemist gets a 20% boost to the number of metas they've created.
Tyberiuss Jun 28th 2010 11:55AM
Austere is boss drop from UP.
Jorges Jun 29th 2010 10:36AM
Austere Earthsiege Diamond is not bought from the JC trainer, it drops from King Ymiron in
Utgarde Pinnacle http://www.wowhead.com/item=41380#taught-by-item