Know Your Lore: Current Alliance politics -- the humans, part 3, pg 2

This meant little to King Varian. What mattered was that his best friend, the man who watched over his kingdom in his absence, Bolvar Fordragon, had been brutally murdered at the hands of the Horde. With the news that the Horde had lost the Undercity, Varian leapt at the opportunity -- not only for revenge for his fallen friend, but to reclaim Terenas' fallen kingdom for the Alliance. After defeating Putress, Varian expressed his opinion on the matter:
And after learning of Thrall and Sylvanas' presence in the Undercity, King Wrynn fought through to confront them, regardless of Jaina's protests. He says the following to Thrall upon confronting him in the throne room:Look around you, brothers and sisters. Open your eyes! Look at what they have done to our kingdom! How much longer will we allow these savages free reign in our world? I have seen the Horde's world. I have been inside their cities. Inside their minds ... I know what evil lies in the hearts of orcs.
Right. There are two arguments to be made here, bear with me while I cover both sides and speculate on some theories while trying to draw reasonable motives for both. On the one hand, we have Varian Wrynn -- a man who, to date, has had large chunks of his life ripped away from him by the Horde. His father murdered before his eyes by an orc, Lothar murdered by another, Varian himself held in captivity for the better part of a year with no knowledge of who he was, and now the one man he had left that he could depend on, yet another advisor, friend, brother, and second father to his son, murdered by the Horde as well. To Varian, it simply didn't matter if it was a coup or not.I was away for too long. My absence cost us the lives of some of our greatest heroes. Trash like you and this evil witch were allowed to roam free -- unchecked. The time has come to make things right. To disband your treacherous kingdom of murderers and thieves. Putress was the first strike. Many more will come. I've waited a long time for this, Thrall. For every time I was thrown into one of your damned arenas... for every time I killed a green-skinned aberration like you... I could only think of one thing.
What our world could be without you and your twisted Horde... It ends now, Warchief.

On the other hand, we have Varian -- and we have him citing his time in the arenas as a horrible, terrible time that he will never forget. Yet despite his claims, the comics present a different story -- Varian was never really mistreated, he was simply made to fight for his life. Then we have Thrall, who was made to do the same -- but where Varian was imprisoned for only a year, Thrall was imprisoned for the entirety of his childhood, locked away from his people with no knowledge of their language or beliefs, and beaten regularly by the drunken bastard who thought that raising a baby to fight as a means of income was a giggle. Thrall, who lived in isolation with no friends save a young human girl named Taretha who thought of him as a brother -- and whose head was promptly removed when her allegiances were shown. Thrall, who was willing to simply let the humans of Durnholde Keep, his captors, live if they'd just let the orcs go -- and got Taretha's head in a bag thrown at him by way of answer to his request.
There is no comparing the two. With Varian, we have a man who had everything in the world going for him and abruptly lost it and continued to lose it at the hands of the Horde; with Thrall we have an orc who was raised with nothing and fought to regain that which he'd never had before, peacefully. Because despite Thrall's violence at Durnholde, it wasn't what he wanted -- it was a result of Alliance actions. The two leaders aren't really the same, much as Blizzard likes to draw comparisons between the two -- they're on completely contradictory paths, and that's what makes it interesting.

Jaina on the other hand had other ideas, and promptly teleported Varian and his forces out of the Undercity before the inevitable slaughter could begin. King Wrynn doesn't want her dead at Horde hands, although he finds her beliefs naïve, and he didn't hold her accountable for her actions in the Undercity for that reason. He may view her as deluded, but he doesn't wish her harm. He knows in his heart that Jaina is chasing after the same dreams that he wants -- a world of peace. The difference between the two is that while Jaina thinks peace can be made with the Horde, Varian believes that peace will occur only after the Horde are eradicated.

Needless to say, pretty selfish thinking on Jaina's part -- honestly once the Burning Legion and the Lich King sets their sights on someone; you can pretty much guarantee that they're going to have their way. But these thoughts continued to weigh heavily on Jaina, along with the unanswered question of whether or not Arthas could be redeemed, whether he remembered her or whether the Lich King had taken utter control.
This undoubtedly affected her relationship with Varian. As the two major leaders of the human part of the Alliance, it was up to them to defend their people against threats, and forge ahead with the idea of one day living in a peaceful Azeroth. I suspect that Jaina sees a little of Arthas in Varian -- a fine, promising leader, a good king. But Varian is dangerously close to falling down the path of hatred that Jaina witnessed Arthas follow firsthand -- and Jaina is dead set upon preventing it. Does she have romantic feelings for Varian? Who knows -- it's been hinted at here and there, but it could just be the closeness of their stations that draws her to him.
Regardless, something came up during all of the activities in Northrend. A dwarf by the name of Brann Bronzebeard had discovered something horrifying in the Titan ruins of Ulduar -- an Old God named Yogg-Saron who threatened Azeroth's very existence just as much as the Lich King. Brann brought his findings to the Kirin Tor, now led by a mage named Rhonin, and Rhonin immediately sought out both Varian and Thrall, convinced that the only way to combat the menace and defeat Yogg-Saron was through the combined efforts of Alliance and Horde. Varian arrived first, with Jaina -- who spotted Thrall outside along with Garrosh, a.k.a. The Worst Diplomat Ever.
It's really worth it to watch the trailer again, because so much happens here -- Varian is willing to listen to Rhonin, and perhaps would've been willing to listen to Thrall had Garrosh not opened his yap and said a few choice words intended to set Varian off. And it worked -- this was the final straw. It was apparent that however Thrall felt about peaceful relations between their people, his opinion was not reflected in the rest of his kind -- and he was unable to even control those that he supposedly ruled over as Warchief. To Varian, Thrall is not a leader -- he's simply the one in charge, and from the looks of things, not for long. I suspect at this point that Varian was confident that Thrall would die one way or another -- more than likely, at the hands of his own people.
The Alliance forces pressed on, and Jaina, Rhonin and Brann were left to recruit whoever they could to deal with Yogg-Saron. Luckily the gambit worked, and focus could be returned to Icecrown Citadel, where the Lich King waited.
Leading one branch of the assault into Icecrown was Tirion Fordring. Now Fordring's got his own past involving the Horde -- in fact, he was once booted out of the Knights of the Silver Hand, stripped of his powers and exiled to the Eastern Plaguelands because of his friendship with an orc named Eitrigg. Tirion eventually reformed the Silver Hand during the course of World of Warcraft, and played a major part in the Battle for Light's Hope Chapel that saw the redemption of the death knights under the Lich King's hold. From there, he moved north to Icecrown, forming the Argent Crusade.

The tournament ended with both sides at each other's throats -- or rather, Garrosh at Varian's throat while Thrall tsk'd at him ineffectually. The winners of the tournament were sent to Icecrown Citadel along with the leaders of the factions fighting their way inside. For those that think Varian is a heartless bastard by this point, I need to take a moment and talk about Varok Saurfang.
Saurfang has always been a staunch supporter of Thrall and his stance for peace, and when Thrall traveled to Garadar during The Burning Crusade, Saurfang went with him, to find his son. His son then returned with him to Azeroth, and was sent to lead the forces in the north, just like Bolvar -- and, just like Bolvar, he met his death at the Wrathgate. But Saurfang the Younger didn't die to the plague, he died to the Lich King, and his soul was taken into Frostmourne. Later, the Lich King fashioned a death knight out of him and set him to guard the upper spire of Icecrown Citadel. Both Horde and Alliance have to kill Saurfang's son -- or rather, the thing that is wearing his son's face.
On the Horde side of the event, Saurfang leads the charge, and after the fight is over, takes his son's body home to return to the graves of his ancestors in Outland. On the Alliance side, Muradin Bronzebeard leads the charge, and after the battle ends, Saurfang arrives to retrieve the body of his son, and the following scene plays out.
Jaina isn't crying because she's "proud of her king." Jaina is crying because this is the moment she realizes that Varian, despite the violence, despite his actions, isn't taking the same route that Arthas followed. She realized somewhere in the Halls of Reflection that there was nothing left of Arthas in the thing he'd become, and her fear was that Varian was following the same path -- where Arthas followed a narrow-minded path of hatred against the Scourge, Varian followed a narrow-minded path of hatred against the Horde. But the difference between the two is that Varian has Anduin, his son, to remind him of what he has to protect, and what is important in life. Jaina's not crying tears of sorrow or pride, she's crying tears of relief.
And then we have King Wrynn, who despite all of his actions over the course of his life, is shown here to be, at heart, a decent man. He cannot deny the bond between father and son, he knows what it feels like, and the thought of losing Anduin terrifies him. It's possible that in this moment, he finally witnesses and is able to recognize the orcs as something other than vehicles for mindless bloodshed -- it's here that he's actually able to identify with an orc.
You may wonder why I've spent so much time on Jaina and Varian -- while it's true that there are many, many other figures that play a role in Northrend, we are focusing on Alliance politics here, and it's Jaina and Varian that are leading the way for the humans of the Alliance. Come back next time when I tie it all together and take a look at the human race in the face of the upcoming Cataclysm.






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 6)
Arkonn Jun 26th 2010 6:29PM
Another excellent round up of events from KYL!
What I'd like to see is more of Anduin in Cataclysm. What with his updated model being implemented, hopefully we'll be questing with the young Wrynn soon!
Johan Forn Jun 27th 2010 4:41AM
It's not an excellent roundup. Everything that is written above is tainted heavily by the person's own opinion. That much is obvious.
Kaphik Jun 26th 2010 6:43PM
I like the development of Varian Wrynn throughout this expansion. As a loyal Horde player I love the fact that he's willing to fight , because I personally would rather see more open conflict between the two major factions. I'm fairly confident we're going to see the same level of complexity and change with Garrosh as we have, and will continue to have wiith Varian.
Elmouth Jun 27th 2010 6:54PM
I'm pretty sure a shitload of horde players are gonna be rooting for Varian should a fight erupt with Garrosh in cataclysm.
Crimson Jun 28th 2010 4:26AM
It's called World of Warcraft for a reason.
We will have none of this World of Peacecraft here.
Varian annoys me because he just jumps to assumptions of the entire faction based on personal experiences. We can't really blame him, and this is probably set up by Blizzard for a more open conflict between the factions in Cataclysm.
Garrosh annoys me because he is a dumbass. I will roll a worgen, level him to 85 and do a daily raid of Garrosh. The guy is blind with his ambitions to be the same as his father, which is being a hero etc. etc. but this will result in him dieing in some horrible and preferably painful death, and Thrall saying something along these lines: "Like father like son, strength and honor, lok tar ogar!"
I always though Thrall to be a very charismatic leader and he is one of the reasons why my main is an orc shaman. I think what Blizzard is trying to do is to remove Thrall from warchief position temporarily so we can see a more open conflict during Cataclysm. Maybe even an all out war between the factions. I guess we will see how the lore goes during Cataclysm I am hoping for more wrathgate-like cinematics in Cataclysm.
And if we get an all out war between factions in cataclysm, well...
War. War never changes...
jasonlstroh Jun 26th 2010 7:08PM
Wow... I can't understand why people still think Wrynn has no brain and no reason...
The Horde has ripped so much of his life to shreds, he wants them dead...
Then there is our warchief-elect who hates Alliance because... They exist?
Something seems a little off-balanced here...
Lokanaya Jun 26th 2010 7:39PM
As a steadfast Horde fan and player, I feel obligated to say that while Garrosh is not the best example of orcs, and especially not the Horde as a whole (*cough* Tauren *cough*)
And as for those who think Varian an idiot, it's simply because they haven't read the comic, and just saw him come in as a bloodthirsty jerk yelling, "All orcs are evil and must die!"
I must admit I thought that way before I had even heard of the comic, because, like I said, our first look at him is... what, the Ulduar trailer when he takes one look at Thrall and Garrosh and pulls out his sword? (Although I don't blame him for Garrosh there... Please do us all a favor and kill him, Varian) Or was it before that? I forgot.
Well, still, the bloodthirsty idiot part of him is the first we see, not the loving father and kind person that he once was/could still be/maybe even slightly is at the Deathbringer Saurfang event.
PictoKong Jun 26th 2010 7:48PM
As a Horde player, i can only say this:
Varian isn't a complete bastard
The first FTA raid on 4.0 orggrimmar... I'll cheer and make Abasik Campfire over Garrosh Body...
Adegan Jun 26th 2010 8:36PM
Man, everyone loves to rip on Garrosh. I don't think Garrosh necessarily has any animosity towards the Alliance, he just sees them as weak. He's concerned that the Horde will be too weak to handle future threats as well. I mean, look at their allies; apart form the Tauren, you've got two refugee races in the Gobs and Trolls, and the Belfs and Deaders are the decimated remnants of once great empires.
Garrosh needs the Horde to be strong. They need someone to fight against, to improve their battle mastery, to perfect their warcraft. He wants the conflict with the alliance to continue, because if they broker a peace treaty the Horde will get soft. And Garrosh, moreso than Thrall, is aware of a looming threat on the horizon.
The Legion is coming.
Darky Jun 26th 2010 9:28PM
Maybe Thrall thinks that if he can teach Garrosh peace he can teach anyone peace? I mean imaging if Garrosh became at least half as peaceful as Thrall then surely his most vicious warriors would be but a simple chore to teach, an irrational stubborn Hellscream (they were all crazy in some way, ooh a mysterious red fountain that gives you the powers to slay a deity that wont have any side effects...) is probably the absolute worse example of the Orcs, it shows their savage past and he is probably backed up by a lot of Orcs, i mean clearly a lot of them haven't learned their lessons (warlocks) and wish for the good ol' days of demon worship and what not.
This is also probably a deliberate showing by blizzard who want to show that yes the Orcs still have a savage side which is unreasonable but a lot of them are willing to fight against the will to froth at the mouth. Whereas the alliance has justified prejudiced as a common factor and some of them (not many) are willing to try for peace.
Cataclysm is showing us the worse case scenario, and a glimpse at what the original horde and alliance was like. If a cataclysmic disaster that very much resembles the end of the world happens people (and Orcs) will start showing their true colours (shush spell check like it or not i put "u's" in my colours) and it appears that the lull of (semi) peace is not so strong and can be broken.
Merus Jun 27th 2010 4:11AM
Garrosh's first experience with the Alliance was the Alliance Expedition that murdered their way across Nagrand. As far as he's seen, even if the orcs are colour-coded for their convenience the Alliance still just treat them all the same.
Baba Jun 27th 2010 4:46AM
After reading this I can completely emphathise with Wrynn, he's reached the point where, because of repeated losses from the Horde (despite not being directly from their head of command) it's just so much easier to destroy them and not have to constantly deal with the fear that they'll just take him up the ass when he's not looking.
Seriously, what's Thrall's thing with Garrosh? "Oh I've got an important diplomatic meeting with the head of the only other comparable military force on this world, oh I know, I'll send a meathead". That's the one thing about Horde politics that eludes me, why Thrall, who is focussed on peace, is still tolerating the strongest opposition to that aim right alongside him.
Hassashu Jun 27th 2010 6:50AM
I believe Thrall only has one rather hard to understand reason because we know more: Garrosh is Grom's son, and to the people of the Horde, Grom saved the orcs from the demonic blood forever. It's one of those 'you must be just like your father'. Thrall hopes that one day Garrosh will be able to do the same, however Thrall doesn't know a few things about Grom, Garrosh's father i believe, that lore does tell us:
1. Grom was the first to drink demonic blood on Draenor as he heard that there were draenei to fight, therefore he was the same person who took the first step to the actual enslavement by the demons. During this time Thrall was likely not even born yet.
2. Grom was the one who willingly drank the demonic blood for a -second time- in order to slay Cenarius simply for the sake of taking Ashenvale to burn it to the ground and claim it for the Horde. During this time Thrall was nowhere around.
What Thrall only knows is that he slew Mannoroth single-handedly, and eventually freed his own people from the curse that he was responsible of creating. And ofcourse Thrall hopes that Garrosh will do the same when the time is right. He doesn't know that in the process of doing so, Garrosh would possibly be the actual cause of the problem that he's going to solve!
Furthermore, Thrall saw Grom always as a proud chief of the Warsong clan. He saw that his clan was loyal and strong, though he overlooked the ruthless and bloodlusted part a bit, because he only got a few glimpses of it. Come to think of it, maybe only one glimpse! One time in WC3 where Grom attacked the Alliance in Stonetalon Mountains without hesitation, disobeying Thrall's order to stay put.
What we know of Grom, and what Thrall knows of it, is a completely different story.
In Nagrand, Thrall showed how Grom saved his people by slaying Mannoroth to Garrosh. Because that is now all that Garrosh knows of his father, he doesn't have any reason to doubt that he is a born leader! UH OH!
As you see in the trailer, and pretty much everywhere where Garrosh shows up, he's following the footsteps of his father that Thrall actually never got to inspect so carefully.
So Thrall now has doubts in his mind, likely. One saying Garrosh is meant to be a hero, the other saying Garrosh is going to be exactly the opposite. A total failure. Currently we likely think the second, but Thrall likely still questions.
Wulfkin Jun 27th 2010 9:07AM
I think it's ridiculous to suggest that Thrall is unaware of Grom's history. He knows first-hand what happened to Grom the second time he drunk demon blood, because he had to go rescue Grom from what he had become. Also do you really think he doesn't know anything about his people's own history? He was taught about the Orcs on Draenor by Drek'thar and as people like Saurfang as advisers. He knows the truth about Grom.
I think the situation with Garrosh is more based on the fact that Thrall was *initially* very optimistic about him. Grom had some serious bad sides, but he also displayed tremendous heroism, and I'm not just talking about him saving the entire Orcish people. Grom was among the first Orcs Thrall ever encountered, and as the only Orc to really be able to withstand the effects of demonic withdrawal, Grom represented a lot to Thrall. His mistake was to project that onto Garrosh.
Thrall isn't a moron, he can clearly see the problems with Garrosh and expressed them even before Wrath started. They even fought a duel over it before the Lich King's attack got in the way. He clearly sees some of the problems, yet keeps him around, and we haven't had a great explanation as to why. I'm sure part of it is still optimism based on who his father was, but looking at the internal politics of the Horde I think you can start to see other reasons to keep Garrosh in the loop. The old-school warmongering types within the Horde are still very much there, the problem is not simply Garrosh and Thrall knows it. He's been taking a gentle hand in trying to weed these kind of problems out for years, but knows he can't tackle the problem head-on or internal strife is going to rock the Horde's foundations. Instead he plays a balancing act to keep order. Hence Garrosh and some of these unstable elements are clearly visible in the Northrend military operation, which is probably the best place for them, occupied with fighting the enemy instead of picking fights in their own ranks.
is this the best way to handle Garrosh and co? Maybe, maybe not. Given he commands the loyalty of a certain amount of the military and not to mention he represents the Mag'har, maybe he wouldn't be a good idea to just chuck him out. Perhaps this why Thrall includes Garrosh in everything, trying to teach rather than reject him. Or maybe he has rose-tinted engineering goggles on, it's hard to say. Anyway, my (slightly convoluted) point is that Thrall is not being a moron, there are a lot of factors at play here.
On a side note, whilst I can appreciate some of the arguments trying to be made in this article, Wrynn should not be let off the hook for making stupid mistakes if Thrall isn't, and Wrynn has made a lot more mistakes. Boo hoo about his father, he's the freaking *king*, he's supposed to lead not make decisions based on personal rivalry. This article actually highlights for me the serious flaws in Wrynn's leadership, as many of the most significant decisions he has made are based on either anger issues around his long-dead daddy, or based on nothing more than the advice of his teenage son. The guy has family issues, that shouldn't be a defence for his actions, that should be a pretty serious criticism.
Also, the article is right that Thrall and Wrynn are not the same, because quite frankly I feel that Thrall had it tougher and still has a better attitude to treating the other faction. You can go on and on about the pain of seeing his father murdered, and what he lost. The point is he at least had plenty, and for the most part he got things back. He loves his son, he's ruler of a prosperous nation, and yet he's willing to risk all that with pointless war, to the point of possibly endangering the entire world (Ulduar), over his personal issues. By contrast Thrall had nothing, was abused throughout his childhood by humans and the only human who ever treated him with decency was raped and beheaded by another human, just to spite him. Cue sob story and violins....
but wait... Thrall hasn't acted like a massive warmongering idiot because of these issues. So we don't need the sob story, we don't need to defend him, because whilst he's made his fair share of mistakes, he's not a racist cry-baby of a ruler. His big mistake is allowing Garrosh to continue, but I find that pales in comparison to the personal griping and prejudices of Wrynn. It's right up there in the article - Wrynn universally despises anyone of Orcish blood (his own words), all because of personal issues. Thrall on the other hand has repeatedly fought against even his own people, for the sake of peace with the humans who tortured him.
TL;DR version: Thrall flawed, but at least admirable. Wrynn cries about dead daddy, puts world in jeapordy.
/rant over
:)
Killik Jun 27th 2010 10:46AM
Garrosh would make a great figurehead for an 'Old Horde' coup against Thrall, so he can't be allowed to run loose on his own. That leaves Thrall two options:
1. Kill Garrosh.
2. Take Garrosh everywhere, get him involved with the current regime and hope he learns enough to calm down.
Thrall is not going to kill the son of his dead best friend.
mandaree Jun 27th 2010 12:47PM
Wrynn certainly had a no-brain moment at Undercity, when he let his emotions get the better of him. His mistrust of orcs and the Horde is understandable, but it was absolutely not in the Alliance's interest to start a full-scale war with the Horde. The Alliance would be as likely to lose as to win even without the threat of the Scourge, and as it was the most likely result would have been to cripple both the Alliance and the Horde to the point where neither would provide much opposition to a Scourge takeover.
The Saurfang scene shows him possibly moving away from such a black-and-white view, but I could see him flying off the handle again in a moment of stress as at Undercity. Of course, if Garrosh ends up running the Horde and launching a full-scale war on the Alliance this will all be moot.
As for Thrall, he's a good guy but his handling of Garrosh is inexcusable. As mentioned above he might not have been able to completely cut Garrosh out for political reasons, but he should have seen early on how dangerous Garrosh's attitude is and shunted him off to a peripheral position such as head of the Warsong Outriders (where he could vent his rage at the Alliance to his heart's content). As is, he's created a monster.
Zanathos Jun 27th 2010 9:47PM
I don't see any reason to conclude Varian has necessarily made any mistakes. He may have a deep and personal hatred of the Horde, but that doesn't guide his actions. Is the battle of undercity solely motivated by Wrynn's personal feelings? I would argue that they're not.
As players, we know Thrall's sincere and a nice guy, we've even controlled him. Wrynn does not have that intimate connection to Thrall most WoW players came to the game with. He's heard second hand about what a great guy Thrall is, but that's undercut by his personal experiences with Thrall's Horde, as well as the general belligerence the Horde exhibits. And the biggest problem would be the Royal Apothecary Society.
Wrynn has no reason to view Wrathgate as anything but Thrall's fault. Either Thrall knowingly allowed the forsaken to stage their attack, or he's simply too incompetent to keep his people in line. In either case, the lost lives of the Alliance (and horde) soldiers lost at Wrathgate are on Thrall's head. Since as players, we know Thrall is sincere but merely incompetent, we'll stick with that.
As Thrall is allowing the Forsaken to run wild (and while you might just blame the RAS, the whole undead race any most player characters know about the plague designed to end all life, so the Forsaken as a whole is the problem here), leading an Alliance force into Undercity to clean up and possibly reclaim isn't necessarily motivated by personal feelings. Leaving the job up to Thrall would be a dubious choice for any Alliance leader, and reclaiming Lordaeron for its living survivors would be an obvious plus for the Alliance strengthening its hold on the Eastern Kingdoms, and repaying Stormwind's debt to Lordearon for the restoration of Stormwind.
Thrall, incidentally, should have been a lot more apologetic to the Alliance ambassador (the player) who visits Orgimmar after Wrathgate. His statement is basically "it's not my fault, I'll take care of it, don't worry about anything", which is not nearly sufficient after his whoopsie. Perhaps he's too Orcish to apologize, or afraid of losing face with his subjects, but his response is far too little. If he had any sense, he'd invite the Alliance to a joint scourging of the Undercity and purge the Forsaken race from Azeroth. They're obviously as big a problem for the Horde as they are for the Alliance, and a willingness to correct his errors with observers and participants from the Alliance would be a good step towards improving relations. There's nothing like fighting together to form a bond, and a lasting peace could very well be formed on the bodies of the Forsaken. Of course, they're a player race, so this logical step isn't taken.
When Varian confronts Thrall in Undercity, he's not denouncing them solely based on his past history and personal feelings. He's just taken a tour through the RAS sector of Undercity, which has all sorts of horrific evidence of their experimentation on corpses and the living. He remarks on it. He's just seen firsthand the atrocities Thrall has failed to stop, and immediately runs into him. He's not just pissed at Thrall for indignities suffered in the distant pasts. Wrynn is confronted with evidence confirming Thrall's incompetence. I mean, it's not like the cages and pieces of corpses are even hidden. Anyone can walk into the RAS.
The Alliance didn't make a mistake invading Undercity, they made a mistake bringing Jaina along.
Valt Jun 26th 2010 7:19PM
I started to play on RP servers lately. After meeting few friends and they told me that dwarves and humans does not like Night elves/draenei, for them they are "mere allies" in contract. I read quite fast all these and so far I dont know really WHY they are. Common "not knowing so being "cautions""(racisms)?
Is it just something players made up or is there real basis of it? Or is it just people I've met generally that..err.. like to rp like that? Yeah yeah I know draenei are "space goats" but its getting rather tiresome for most humans and dwarves to call allies as "goats" and "You can only speak common in Stormwind, goat!" attitude. I mean if hardcore "guard" guilds do it so It must have some basis?
No wonder Northend doesn't have that much Draenei on their ranks, hmm?
Arkonn Jun 26th 2010 7:23PM
Dwarves especially have never been to fond of elves in general. So yes, what they told you was true.
Meerkatx Jun 26th 2010 8:05PM
Each night the the Cathederal in Stormwind rings its bell in honor of the Night Elves who are in Stormwind. Stormwind has opened it's arms and taken in many High Elf survivors. Stormwind gives free drinks to the Dwarves residing in the city on the anniversary of one of the Dwarven founders birth. Stormwind has given a whole district over to Dwarves and Gnomes.
While I am not sure how Dwarves feel about the Night Elves, all the above were implimented under Varian's rule. Varian isn't a racist nor has he ever been, and Stormwind followes his lead.