Know Your Lore: Current Alliance politics -- the humans, part four

All right, you guys have read through almost everything there is to see with regards to the current political situation of the human race. The first three articles covered the history of the Alliance -- both old and new -- and the struggles of Varian Wrynn and his life as the "leader," so to speak, of the human race. The word leader is used in quotation marks because, to be perfectly honest, Varian wasn't much of a leader; he was brooding, depressed, not really willing to see anything that was going on around him, and the Council of Nobles was pretty much running the show.
The only "real" leader available to Alliance humans at the outset of World of Warcraft was Jaina Proudmoore, the leader of Theramore, who wasn't really much of a leader either. This was largely due to her somewhat unpopular beliefs that orcs were capable of peace and her attempts to work towards some sort of peaceful agreement between the orcs and humans of Kalimdor. So here we have the human race, largely left to its own devices -- but they seemed to be doing, if not amazingly well, at least OK for the most part. It's Varian's return and the events of Wrath that directly affect what's going on headed into Cataclysm.
King Varian Wrynn has a lot to catch up on, as we covered in the previous article -- improving relations with outlying kingdoms, getting in touch with the draenei and learning just what happened during the Burning Crusade, to name a few. He's been busy during Wrath of the Lich King, making amends where he could and working on continuing to send Alliance forces to Icecrown in the hopes of the Lich King's defeat. So where does that leave him once the Lich King is, in fact, dead?

In addition to this are his feelings surrounding the Horde, particularly the orcs. While Jaina has her own views about peace and understanding between the human and orc races, Varian definitely doesn't share them, which leaves a conflict between the two human leaders who should be working together towards the same goal. With Garrosh stepping up as Warchief, this only leads to more conflict and more chaos -- while Varian may have been able to work with Thrall in due time, Garrosh is one of those people that Varian absolutely despises.
So Varian needs to regain the trust of his people and either re-think his opinion of orcs in general or find a way to bring people over to his way of thinking. He's got two things standing in his way in regards to the latter. Jaina and her beliefs are a big obstacle at the moment. Not only is she working towards peace, but also she's got both the Kirin Tor and the Argent Crusade standing behind her at the present time -- both high-ranking organizations of extraordinarily powerful people who are completely sick of the infighting between the Horde and Alliance. But the bigger obstacle, and the one that just might bring Varian to his senses, comes in a smaller package: his son, Anduin Wrynn.

What we may have to watch for as players is the interaction between these three major characters. Varian has repeatedly been touted as the "anti-Thrall," a label that I don't necessarily agree with. However, his temper absolutely needs to be reined in; otherwise, the human race is facing all-out war with the Horde. Anduin is a voice of reason for Varian and has the power to change his father's mind at opportune moments -- but does Anduin have the courage to put his foot down and actually change his father's way of thinking for good? Or will Varian's attitudes towards the orcs and the Horde in general begin to rub off on the young prince? It'd be a shame to see the latter, especially since Anduin as presented in the comics has found his own, reasonable voice in things.
Then we have Jaina Proudmoore, no longer moping about Arthas and no longer having to deal with the oddities of an Old God's resurrection or the potential of a new Guardian. Obviously her time spent in Wrath of the Lich King was emotional, given the subject matter. She did, after all, love Arthas, and seeing the depths to which he'd fallen had to have an effect on her. The difference between her and Varian, however, lies in how they handle loss. With Varian, the loss of Tiffin sent him spiraling into depression. With Jaina, the loss of Arthas to the creature known as the Lich King hurt her terribly, more deeply than we've probably been shown, but she can put aside that grief in the name of doing what's right, for now.

So Jaina keeps trying again and again to bring Thrall and Varian together, to show Varian this other side of the Horde, but more often than not, it backfires in her face. And it isn't her fault. If we really want to point fingers, we should point them at Thrall, who can't seem to keep his people in line -- or more accurately, at Garrosh, who cannot even begin to fathom Thrall's way of thinking, and in Wrath has shown very little hope of ever doing so. With Thrall placing Garrosh in charge as Warchief, how will that affect Jaina and her way of thinking? She's spent years placing her trust in Thrall, only to have her efforts blow up in her face. Is she really going to look at Garrosh's rise to power as a good thing?

My guess is that these two will continue to interact in Cataclysm -- and from the looks of the event in Icecrown Citadel and how it played out, this is a really good thing. Varian is the sort of man who can help ease Jaina out of whatever sadness she feels at the loss of Arthas, and possibly be the one who can convince her that the fate of Arthas wasn't her fault. Jaina, on the other hand, is that calm voice of reason that Varian needs -- but unlike Anduin, she's not Varian's child. She's a woman who is capable of standing on her own two feet and also capable of calling Varian out on his behavior if he gets out of control. It seems as though the two of them are being set up for each other -- and given the backgrounds between the two of them, it makes perfect sense -- and it gives the humans a solid pair to look up to and follow.

Varian not only has to prove himself to his people, he has to prove himself to the Alliance at large. The majority of the other Alliance races simply doesn't know who Varian Wrynn is as a leader, and it's that lack of confidence that makes his relationship with the other Alliance races a little shaky at best. They may be wary of him, and it's understandable that they would be -- with humans like Tirion Fordring or even Rhonin to look at for example, regardless of what faction they happen to be allied with, why would they listen to a hotheaded king who's been largely absent for the majority of the new Alliance's existence?

This is what's needed from Varian: proof, simple proof that he can be an effective leader, that he can continue to strive for the best path for his people and for the Alliance as a whole, and that he can do so without living under the cloud of his past. Because Varian's past is tragic, undeniably tragic, much like Thrall's -- but he has yet to recover from it and move forward like Thrall has. He has an idea of what he wants: that ideal world where Anduin can grow up and be a strong king without having to go through the grief and sorrow that Varian experienced. He just hasn't got a clue how to get it. Peaceable talks? Varian's tried those with no success. Violence? He has many, many people telling him that isn't the way.
And that's more than likely what we're going to see in Cataclysm, on the human side of things. Either Varian is going to step up, take charge and show the Alliance that he can be the competent leader they can depend on, or he's going to continue to screw up. And if he keeps screwing up, there's always Anduin, who is a few years older and a few years wiser now and possibly capable of taking over where his father failed. As for Jaina, it's a matter of whether or not she's going to continue down the path of peace or take Thrall's appointment of Garrosh as Warchief as the final straw that shows her that maybe, just maybe, she was wrong about the orcs and the Horde. Either way, things are going to be interesting come Cataclysm.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 4)
Kylenne Jul 4th 2010 9:13AM
@Dodec: That's a cheap shot at Anne, and completely unfair. Not once has she ever tried to claim that the Old Horde shouldn't be blamed for its actions, either in KYL or on her own blog. If you're going to make a claim like that, show proof.
What she HAS done is provide an explanation, and put forth the very reasonable idea that the New Horde is not the same as the Old Horde. Which, you know, is true. It's not, no matter how much Alliance fanboys like to scream otherwise. If it was true, there would be no point whatsoever to the current conflicts within the Horde, within the Orcish race specifically, and the tension between Thrall and Garrosh--because the question would have already been settled. Thrall is not the only Orc who feels the way he does (though his views seem to be unpopular of late), and he's not the only member of the Horde who feels the way he does. The Horde today is much more complex than the Orcish one under Mannoroth's influence was. There are obnoxious Horde apologists out there who love to excuse the Old Horde's actions, but Anne's not one of them.
dodec Jul 4th 2010 12:37PM
@kylene:Go read her blog.
As for the so called 'Old Horde' and 'New Horde', doesn't exist. Or else they wouldn't have named their fortress, capital and region after genocidal murderers. Thrall talks a big deal about peace but his definition of peace is 'don't attack me and mine, however if I attack you it's in a good cause'.
Love the way he appoints warmongers and Dreadlords to positions of authority and then wrings his hands in sorrow (poor dear) when they commit atrocities that he claims to disapprove of. Hypocrite. At least Garrosh 'dismisses' such people. That's why I prefer him to Thrall, and why the Scourge and Legion are preferable to the Horde. There's something to be said for a wolf in wolf's clothing.
There's no 'New' and 'Old' Horde. There's only the 'Honest Horde' under Garrosh, Doomhammer, Guldan, Nerzhul etc and the 'Hypocritical Horde' under Thrall.
However everything I told you is easily available to anyone who isn't a Thrall-worshipping Horde-fanboi. So I won't be discussing this any further.
TR Jul 4th 2010 2:40AM
Fanwank (and my favorte guilty pleasure) aside: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/689927-Jaina-Proudmoore what exactly is the official political relationship between Varian Wrynn and Jaina Proudmoore?
The generally accepted assumption is they're allies and rule independently of each other. However on Deathbringer's Rise in ICC she specifically refers to him as "My king". This implies some form of fealty; that she is a royal subject of the Kingdom of Stormwind. No leader of any soveriegn state would use that term as an off-hand remark to another leader. She's never said anything like that to Thrall in any of the Warcraft lore. Of course she may mean something... else, but I'm no fan of any Varian-Jaina 'shipping either. That would be waaay too cliche.
Sports72Xtrm Jul 4th 2010 3:14AM
@TR
Think of the Alliance as NATO. Stormwind is the United States, Theramore is France and Varian is the Supreme Allied Commander/President of the United States. It's a professional relationship.
TR Jul 4th 2010 4:04AM
@Sports72Xtrm
That's not exactly the same political context as monarchies and feudalism, but it's the reason why joint speeches by U.S. Presidents and British P.M.s and French Presidents use language like "our allies" which is a way of establishing that the leaders are of equal standing. Joint military ventures are also different: There is a distinct chain of command to follow so there are officers with ranks like Eisenhower's Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in WWII. If you rank below the CO then you follow her/his orders or face courtmartial.
One monarch would never refer to the monarch of another country by saying "I'm proud of my king/queen" because it shows deference to a superior - not an ally. The line's probably in there for the dramatic effect, but I just think it's curious. Many Wrynn-haters complain that Wrynn "acts like he's everyone's king when no one outside Stormwind calls him that". Magni, Tyrande, and Velenn never do. Neither do humans like Tirion and Bolvar presumably because their fealty was to the Kingdom of Lordaeron. Jaina does so perhaps there's something different there?
kazeko.fuuga Jul 4th 2010 2:57AM
I think this article was much more objective than the previous. Or at least, it's much more clear what is speculation and what is known. Great work! As I commented before, Varian isn't a bad guy himself, but he's gotta figure himself out before he leads anyone. Needs a vision and a plan. His vision seems to be a world where his son can live the best life, but it's still a little blurry. Once he gets that, the alliance will certainly be all the more stronger.
He may just flip when he finds out what Sylvanas is up to. Not saying anything else that might be a spoiler.
Karasuu Jul 4th 2010 6:41AM
I'm not really liking this article, not nearly as much as I liked all the previous ones by Anne, including the Horde. Mostly because there is more speculation and assumption then any other to date if I remember clearly.
You say that Varian hasn't had contact with the other races? I don't buy it. We know he spent time in the comic books helping other alliance races. We also know it has been a certain amount of time sense his return and Cataclysm. How can you say that he didn't have meetings with the Alliance leadership? He can teleport at will to all of the Alliance capitals, and I am pretty damn sure he has spent time discussing some things with them. Here is how I see it: Due to his actions in the comics, and his immediate victory against the attack on Stormwind, the Alliance leadership (all of whom have other things to worry about, and smaller standing armies), chose Varian as their Supreme Commander for the Northrend Campaign. He easily could have had this meeting after pushing back the Scourge assault, see "teleport". That is why he had full control over all Alliance armies in Northrend.
Now Arthas is dead, and the armies are on their way/all ready back home depending on the time line. Suddenly, Deathwing strikes. Well nothing we have seen says Varian is calling the shots for anyone but Stormwind now, but assuming he does, why would they not grant the title of Supreme Command right back to the man who was so successful in the role in Northrend? He obviously did well leading the combined forces then. Also, each race has their own issues to deal with as well. Look at it like this, each race sends a certain amount of troops to the Combined Alliance Army. The rest of their forces are used in A) Defense, and B) Independent operations (for example, the Silverwing Sentinels under Shandris Feathermoon in Feralas). Varian is tasked, as Supreme Commander, to use his troops to both counter the main Horde armies, and expand Alliance influence where possible. He also only sends a certain amount of troops to the Alliance army, using the remaining Human troops much like the other races, defense and Independent expansion.
Remember that Varian can pop in for a chat with any of the Alliance Leaders at will. So the above lays out exactly how Varian could be seen as the Leader of the Alliance. He doesn't tell them how to run their kingdoms, never has, nor does he tell them how to live their lives. He controls the Combined Alliance Army in times of war, because he first proved his martial and leadership abilities in relatively small affairs, and then performed exceedingly well in Northrend. If he ever really fouled up, the other Leaders could replace him.
As for making amends with the outlying prefects under Stormwind control, he has also had plenty of time to do that. He obviously did well with Westfall, they folded their militia into the general army. Who can say that he hasn't done just as well with Redridge and Darkshire?
Jaina and Theramore is just as easy to explain. Jaina was royalty, in Kul Tiras. She abandoned Kul Tiras and went West, rightfully it turned out, but abandoned them just the same. She then opened her gates and called off her forces from backing up her Father, the King of Kul Tiras, and his Kul Tirasian forces, in doing so allowing the Horde to kill them all. Imagine if you lived in Kul Tiras and found this stuff out. Would you still think of her as your Princess? I wouldn't, no matter how anyone else in the world sees what she did, to the people of Kul Tiras she must surely be considered a traitor and an exile. Her last remaining brother is now King in Kul Tiras, and you can bet your bottom dollar he has declared her as such. Where does this leave Jaina? She is the ruler of Theramore. Not Queen, not Princess, simply the ruler of an independent City-State. Would it be so hard to imagine that, recognizing this fact, and the fact that the Horde, if it ever chose to, could wipe her and her people out with little effort if she was alone, became a protectorate or even a Province of Stormwind? Hence the reason she called Varian "My King", because unless she proclaims herself the Queen of Theramore, she is no longer truly Royalty, and is out-ranked by Varian.
Now, finally, my biggest pet peeve about these comments, and some of the articles. You all talk about Varian being a good or a bad King, and why would his people follow him. He IS the King of Stormwind. The people of Redridge, Westfall, and every Stormwind Settlement will follow Varian, or he will crush them. Remember that a Kingdom is vastly different than the Democracies or Republics we live in. In a Kingdom, all the land belongs to the Crown. All the citizens are the Kings subjects. Any attempt to disagree with the King is treason, and disobeying his orders is rebellion. All of which lead to death. Look back at our Dark Ages, and you will see why Varian can and will do whatever he wants to do with His Kingdom of Stormwind. With all the wars and crap back then, Varian is comparatively a freaking Saint as a King. Also, as to why he is leaning towards war.... HELLO, the Horde is attacking the Alliance on so many fronts it's not even funny. Varian would be a bad King if he Didn't respond in kind to the many acts of war the Horde commit on a daily basis. Lets see, they are invading Ashenvale for lumber, claiming the human lands of Alterac (the Frostwolves do not have as much claim to that land as any human refugees that may reside in Stormwind or Arathi, and the Dwarves are allied with them), invading Arathi when there is still an established human Kingdom in place there (Stromgarde, admittedly in a bad spot currently but still a recognized Kingdom), and that is just the Battlegrounds. He has to protect his people, and his allies, and asking them nicely to stop hasn't done a damn thing. He has to blacken a few eyes, break a few bones, and yes, sacrifice some of his subjects, to get his point across. "You attack us and we will fight back, even unto your own lands" is the message he needs to send, and Jaina needs to stand back and watch "her King" do it, because her method of talking while they run right over you has failed. He is obviously open to peace, he has tried a couple times to make it happen, but it won't work until they know your serious about protecting yourself.
I will end my novel now, sorry for it being so long, but this had to be said.
Karasuu Jul 4th 2010 7:00AM
Of course your correct, she is technically still Royalty, but she will never be able to claim the throne she is descended from, there would almost have to be total rebellion.
It could be a writing mistake, but I really do think they are trying to set Jaina and Varian up. Which honestly, when he had a good wife he was definitely a better King. It could be a great thing for the Alliance, bringing together the two most active human factions.
Kylenne Jul 4th 2010 9:34AM
The reason there's so much speculation and conjecture in this column as opposed to the others is because we really HAVEN'T seen Varian be a political leader where the Alliance has been concerned. He's run around putting out individual fires in the comics, but we haven't once seen him in any medium reaching out to the leaders of the other races. He hasn't once called a war council with even Jaina, Magni and Mekkatorque, much less Tyrande or Velen, and assuming that he has is frankly stupid. When the Scourge invaded in the pre-Wrath event, it was telling that in Orgrimmar, Thrall had Sylvanas, Garrosh, etc. discussing what to do, but in Stormwind Varian didn't have Magni or Tyrande or any other Alliance leader there, he had his buddies from the comics with him. Now all of a sudden he's running around acting like the Supreme Leader of the Alliance, making declarations of war and whatnot, when HUMANS as a race have never had anything resembling a Supreme Leader, much less the current Alliance. But as much as I despise Varian as a character, I think this is less his fault and more the fault of shoddy writing on Blizzard's part.
We're in brand new territory, as far as Alliance politics goes. Blizzard's been setting Varian up as a counterpart to Thrall (and now Garrosh), when the Alliance has never, ever had anything like a "Warchief". The Alliance has always been a loose confederation of independent states, some with closer relations than others. While there have been charismatic people that have stepped up in times of crisis to provide leadership and a banner to rally around (Anduin, Jaina, etc) the Alliance has never had a leader everyone swears allegiance to and serves without question the way the Warchief has been for the Horde, even in the bad old days.
All you need to do is look at the situation with the Plague in WC3 for a prime example of that. The Alliance states were bickering left and right over how to respond. Terenas couldn't just put his foot down and order a quarantine or whatever. I think Blizzard's just not Doing the Research, again.
Ilmyrn Jul 5th 2010 1:06AM
While I agree with you about Varian for the most part (Frankly, any ruler who DIDN'T respond with force tot he kind of things the Horde is pulling wouldn't deserve his crown), I think you're a bit off base calling the Northrend campaign a rousing success. While it's true the Lich King is neutralized, that was almost entirely the doing of the Argent Crusade and Ebon Blade. The Alliance/Horde helped out in the lower areas of the Spire, but that's it. The only thing that's likely to keep it from being considered a complete military disaster in the future is the fact that if anything, the Horde got hit even worse.
The Alliance's elite military unit, the 7th Legion is all but broken by Naxxramas, the Wrathgate devours the rest of the Legion, an entire fleet is driven away by the Forsaken, the Grizzly Hills is a stalemate between Alliance and Horde with (Presumably) high casualties over Venture Bay and the logging grounds, Wintergrasp is nothing but a meat grinder for both Horde AND Alliance, and the only major ground offensive in Icecrown is wiped out by a Horde ambush (Great job there, Horde).
The only advantage the Alliance really held over the Horde is holding two of the only harbors on the continent. (Venture Bay and the Scarlet stronghold off Icecrown are two others). The Horde had managed to build one, but were driven out of it by the Kvaldir, with no sign they were ever able to retake it permanently. Why do you think the heaviest vehicles the Horde was able to field was demolishers while the Alliance had steam tanks? Harbors, that's why.
Karasuu Jul 5th 2010 6:35AM
@Kylenne
Actually, the first alliance had Terenas as the Leader of the Alliance, agreed upon by all members, and Lothar as Supreme Commander of the Alliance army. Terenas handled the political end, and Lothar had total control of the military. By the time of Warcraft III the Old Alliance had already begun falling apart due to the many disagreements, including what should be done with the Orcs (BTW, Varian was a supporter of keeping them all Alive).
I think its beyond foolish, and to use your own word "stupid", to assume that Varian doesn't meet with the other Leaders, and that they would just allow him to take over on his own. Do you really think the other Leaders of the Alliance are just pushovers like that? Just because he doesn't hold Council with them in full view of us, doesn't mean that he doesn't. Remember if you can that the in-game Pre-Wrath event Horde side had Thrall and Garrosh arguing about going to Northrend. Sylvanus was obviously there because she very much wanted to get Arthas. They were then interrupted by the Lich Kings assault. It wasn't a full on council of all the Horde Leaders. Varian returned to Stormwind, from a Peace Conference with Thrall, because Stormwind was being attacked by zombies, and the full attack started after he got there. He didn't have to consult with anyone to defend his home, and obviously he was gonna respond to the attack by heading to Northrend, and the Alliance was gonna go with him. His declaration of War in the Undercity was after almost being assassinated in a way that made it looked like the Horde, the Horde, as far as he truly knew, had just slaughtered his people in Northrend, and he saw the torture and experiments the Forsaken had been doing on humans. Sounds like he was just reacting to yet more acts of war by the Horde, and as Supreme Commander of the Alliance Army, he may very well have been given that power to do just that.
Also, if you want to throw out the word stupid, how about the stupidity of saying Anduin was a charismatic leader and a banner to rally around? He is a kid dude, yes a very smart kid, but I can promise you that neither Tyrandre, Magni, or any of the Alliance leaders or heroes rallied around a 10 year old. For all outside intensive purposes Bolvar was the leader of Stormwind. As for Jaina, she hasn't done anything big for the Alliance at large since Warcraft III, no one but Theramore has rallied to her calls for peace since.
Before you throw out words like stupid, maybe you should get some facts together, or at least provide a reasonable background for why things might be like you said, other than just "OMG, Blizz has terwable riting, they suxxzors!!". Blizzard has had to change some things around to fit the evolving story through out the years yes, but they had an entire comic series full of lore planned out for Varian, and are good enough writers to make a damn fine story even when they have had to change things. Give them enough credit that maybe, just maybe, they know exactly why and how Varian became the figurehead of the Alliance.
@Ilmyrn
There were set backs yes, but they continued to push forward at all times. Hell, the Alliance recovered enough from the Wrathgate to be a day or two from having a foothold in Icecrown itself. If not for the Horde they would have had it. Yes the Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade did alot, but neither of those factions would have succeeded without the help of the Horde and the Alliance, and vis versa. In the end it was a combined effort, one that accomplished its goal. I would say that it qualifies as a Great victory for all factions in the end. It is all perception as far as that goes though, of course.
Koleckai Jul 4th 2010 12:03PM
One problem with these articles is they are kind of in a bubble. Now that the NDA has been lifted, we need to look at what is else is being done. Westfall is being rebuilt among them. That is the king of Stormwind's doing here. Not the people's militia.
Also Jaina is a pretty ineffective leader and we know that her talks of peace and diplomacy are dead in the Cataclysm. How do we know this? The Alliance has built a highway from Theramore Island straight into the Barrens. They have taken the Southern Barrens pretty much by force. The Alliance lead by Theramore and Stormwind now has a very strong presence in the Southern Barrens and have destroyed a Tauren settlement. Most likely they would have begun their push into the Northern Barrens if it hadn't been for the Cataclysm itself and a river of lava cleaving the area. This seems like a push that would ultimately end in a siege of Durotar and Ogrimmar itself. This is a pretty bold and aggressive move.
This happened one of two ways, Jaina abandoned her idea of peace with Thrall and the Horde and disregarded the non-aggression treaty. Or her power as a leader has been supplanted by someone else who is giving the orders. In either case, peace at this time was not going to happen. Neither side is mature enough for peace in this generation.
Dreyja Jul 4th 2010 3:33PM
I too would like to add my name to this list. ;) If they end up putting Jaina and rage-boy together I'm going to be very cranky.
I know that some people feel that Jaina and Thrall together is just as contrived but I don't feel so AT ALL. Given her history with shimmering blond princes (both inherently selfish) I can't think of a better match for her spirit than Thrall. They share common values, hopes and have a friendship formed through years of strife and trust.
One of the greatest hopes I have for Thrall and For Jaina is that they will be able to work for the greater good of ALL Azeroth, together, openly. It's the one good thing I see coming out of Thrall leaving the leadership of the horde. I think that Anne is right, he's done his best but the majority of his people will never come around. Eventually, it would have killed him or destroyed his spirit.
Azeroth needs true heroes still.
Dreyja Jul 4th 2010 3:34PM
SON OF A _____. /sigh. I did it again. This is in the wrong place. I suck! ;-p
Timmy Jul 4th 2010 4:34PM
*Cataclysm Spoilers*
The entire questline in Westfall is now all about how much the people in general do not respect Varian Wrynn as their king. You could also look at it from the opposite way and say the theme of the zone is that Varian Wrynn is just a bad leader.
The new Westfall is now completely filled with the commoners of Stormwind who are broke and homeless. The people in general are turned away at the walls of Sentinel Hill (yes, its walled now), and they are told that food is only for the military.
The terrible way he treats his own people is the cause of the forming of the new Brotherhood. It's actually explained (which I love) that the original Defias fell apart following the death of Van Cleef. However, we weren't aware that his daughter was hiding in the shadows behind him. We all murdered a man right in front of a little girl. Vanessa uses this horrible treatment of the common people of Stormwind as a recruiting tool and re-forms the Defias Brotherhood with herself as the leader.
.....which is also why there is a 'Heroic' Deadmines, its not the same ole, same ole. It's actually a "new" Deadmines. Same location, same map,....different bosses. The questline through Westfall has you covertly witnessing Vanessa VanCleef recruiting the new bosses of the Deadmines. An Ogre boss, a Goblin boss (sound familiar?) The one replacing Mr. Smite isn't a Tauren anymore, he's been replaced by a Worgen. The goblin boss also comes complete with his own Hobgoblin.
Asgaroth Jul 4th 2010 9:40PM
That made me laugh! :-)
Patrick Jul 5th 2010 7:52AM
His father was assassinated. His wife brutally murdered. He was kidnapped- then enslaved by Orcs for their own brutal amusement. He has watched all but his human kingdom fall to various threats. The Horde continue to encroach on Alliance territory and slaughter any who oppose them and the author proposes he negotiate more, show more patience and compassion. How has that worked out for Jaina? Perhaps she can preach such drivel to the survivors of Southshore or the displaced elves of Ashenvale.
whalt Jul 6th 2010 1:54PM
I like all the KYL articles, even (and especially) those with heavy speculation. In fact, the KYL articles are some of my favorites on this site, and I've even read Ms. Stickney's blog because I'm such a "lore nerd." I do want to make a comment though, not necessarily on the post but an issue with the posts. Specifically one of grammar.
A good rule of thumb is to remember that the only thing you do with "Regards" is send them. (Like signing a letter "Best Regards" or just "Regards."
The first sentence of the article ends with : "see with regards to the current political situation of the human race."
It should be: "see with regard to the current political situation of the human race."
It's a simple rule to correct a very common grammatical error.
Keep up the good articles, it's never to early to start speculating about the lore behind patch 4.1 - :)
sardai Jul 8th 2010 6:19PM
hey it worked for varian, and he'll hate a race/faction no one cares about or a already hates
Falkyr Jul 20th 2010 7:50PM
is it me or has anyone noticed now that Yogg-Sarons physical form was destroyed that Varian has become less hostile as it were towards the Orcs one example being after the Death-bringer Saurfang encounter when the king allows Overlord Saurfang to collect Dranosh's (his sons) body, and as supporter of Humans and Orcs becoming more friendly towards each other i would like to see more example of the Alliance and Horde working together like the Wrathgate part of dragon blight ( of course minus the whole Undead going crazy part >_>)