Know Your Lore: Ahn'Qiraj, Uldum and the Tol'Vir

This week saw a monumental post on the story forum that answered a variety of World of Warcraft lore questions. One of the questions asked got an answer that blew the metaphorical doors off of a long, puzzling situation. (There will be a lot of Cataclysm spoilers in this post. Be warned.)
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Q: What happened to all of the Scourge's Obsidian Destroyers?
Q: What happened to all of the Scourge's Obsidian Destroyers?
A: The entities known as obsidian destroyers are actually enslaved titan constructs that were once called the tol'vir. The tol'vir were created to maintain titan lore repositories and titan machinery surrounding the titan cities of Ulduar and Uldum. Not long after the troll empires divided the insectoid kingdom of the aqir, the aqir that travelled north discovered and overthrew the tol'vir society in Northrend. These aqir would eventually become the race we know as the nerubians today, having adapted the tol'vir's architecture for their own purposes. Similarly, the aqir that travelled south ransacked and overthrew a titan research station near Uldum, renaming themselves the qiraji and calling their new home Ahn'Qiraj. Although the Scourge would eventually consume the nerubian empire and throw its few remaining tol'vir slaves into the front lines, it's possible that more tol'vir still exist in the hidden titan city of Uldum or deep within the remnants of Azjol-Nerub.
Now, this is huge. It answered for folks who played Warcraft III why a unit they associated with the Scourge was in AQ. It gave us an idea of what the tol'vir first mentioned at BlizzCon '09 would look like and what they were. The implications are staggering. If you've been wondering (like, frankly, I had been) why the pictures of Uldum coming out looked so much like Anh'Qiraj, now you know. Uldum looks like AQ because both Uldum and AQ were build by the titans, not the old gods or their aqir/qiraji/nerubian servants. It also explains why the nerubian take on architecture derived so decisively from the qiraji model. Both the nerubians and qiraji found and enslaved tol'vir, but the nerubians didn't get their hands on an actual titan built facility the way the qiraji did.
Now, we can see that the architecture of Ulduar and Uldum are vastly different. There are similarities, to be sure, but Uldum/AQ definitely have their own aesthetic. Did the Northrend tol'vir have their own style as well, and that's why nerubian art and construction looks so different from their qiraji cousins? It probably contributed, to be sure. I'm actually ridiculously hopeful that a full-fledged Azjol-Nerub zone will be introduced in Cataclysm the way the Isle of Quel'Danas was at the end of Burning Crusade now.
However, this raises all sorts of further questions for Uldaman, Ulduar and Uldum, as well as AQ. It's fairly easy to justify the construction of a vast complex like AQ so close to Uldum ... Just go to Northrend and you can see that in addition to Ulduar, you see vast titan construction all throughout the Storm Peaks, in Wintergrasp and Strand of the Ancients, and finally in the Sholazar Basin itself. Since Sholozar Basin and Un'Goro are linked, it makes sense that Un'Goro (called the God Lands by the ancient qiraji who attempted to conquer them when fighting the night elves and Bronze Dragonflight) would have similar constructions on or near it. These would have been linked to Uldum in terms of their construction and possible even directly by a southern offshoot of the Path of the Titans that has since been destroyed or fallen into disuse. Since Kalimdor and the Easten Kingdoms were separated by the Sundering, it's entirely possible that Uldaman served as the hub linking Ulduar and Uldum in ancient times.
Furthermore, if you have been paying attention to the various Cataclsym images being released since the NDA has been lifted on sites like MMO-Champion, you've probably seen this one. Compare it to the image of Moam that opened this post and you get a sense of the uncorrupted southern tol'vir versus their enslaved brethren. But what's more, you also got to see Isiset, Setesh and the Uldum Watchers. Obviously they're meant to perform a similar role in Uldum to the watchers of Ulduar. But look at Setesh again. Remind you of anyone? Anyone at all? We've been told in the past that entities like the Anubisath and Ossirian the Unscarred were the creations of the Anh'Qiraj emperors. But we were told that about the Obsidian Destroyers, too, and they're not.
It seems at this point extremely likely that the Anubisath and Ossirian were in fact titan watchers, similar to Cretus and the watchers of Ulduar, assigned either to Uldum or the complex that would become AQ. LIke the tol'vir, they fell in battle or were otherwise enslaved by the qiraji or their dark master, C'thun. The Anubisath certainly look different from the images of the Uldum Watchers we're seeing, but they bear a striking resemblance to Setesh. Did Uldum originally attempt to investigate what happened at AQ?
This is all deeply fascinating to me because of events in the comics. We saw the Twilight's Hammer attempt to infest the ruins of AQ, and Cho'gall himself attempted to raise C'thun from torpor after a band of adventurers "killed" him. Cho'gall even became horribly deformed as a result of C'thun's presence. So we've now established that C'thun isn't entirely dead, that he's infesting a former titan facitilty with ties to Uldum, and that both the Twilight's Hammer (including Cho'gall, who once served C'thun directly and who may still be somehow) and Uldum play heavily in this expansion. We also know that Deathwing currently controls the Twilight's Hammer, but that it was the whispering of the Old Gods (including, one assumes, C'thun and Yogg-Saron) that drove him mad, and (SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER, although this whole post is spoilers) the Twilight's Hammer that is nominally serving Deathwing is still trying to summon or raise Old Gods. I have no idea if Soggoth the Slitherer is the Old God with a giant titan glaive in his/her head in Darkshore, but since that's where they're supposedly attempting to summon him, I'd put good money on it.
It seems very apparent now that the Old Gods and their servants suck at actually making anything new. The entities that became the aqir were twisted from a naturally occurring animal, not created ex nihilo, and their descendants seem to have twisted and corrupted titan constructed beings like the tol'vir and watchers rather than made them. Even the old god's infamous curse of flesh seems aimed at making these entities more malleable servants, but it doesn't make anything new. In the war between Old Gods and titans, the power of invention and creation seems far more aligned with the titans, all the Old Gods know how to do is manipulate, destroy and corrupt. The contrast between Uldum and AQ and the fate of the tol'vir seems a perfect illustration of this failure. The Old Gods may not die as we do, but they also don't live as we do, and as such they have a poor grasp on how to actually make much of anything.
It's interesting that while we see major Old God influences at both Ulduar and in the vicinity of Uldum, we don't see any aside from trogg infestations near Uldaman. But since Uldaman is so close to Ironforge and Gnomeregan, home to the dwarves and gnomes (both descended from titan constructs) and both Uldaman and Gnomeregan have seen trogg infestations, it's possible another old god sleeps below it, one of the architects of the very curse of flesh itself? With Soggoth the Slitherer's introduction, we know the name of three of the five Old Gods, and in at least two cases those Old Gods lie in or near ancient titan sites. Were the sites built entirely because the Old Gods were near them? The Explorer's League was digging up a supposedly ancient site in Darkshore and another, similar one at Bael Modan. Are these remnants of the titan complex built to monitor Soggoth? Hard to say, but a fascinating possibility. In the end the Sundering may have done exactly what the Old Gods wanted, destroying much of the titan early warning system that would have brought Algalon to Azeroth before they could awaken.
Now, with Yogg-Saron conveniently having arranged for Loken's death, Algalon's summoning and defeat by mortals and his own "death" (as much as an Old God of death can die), Deathwing, corrupted by the same old gods, commands the same Twilight's Hammer who are still shown to be working for the Old Gods and tries to break the world anew.
It seems that for the Old Gods at least, the stars may finally be right. And that doesn't even touch on whether or not the prefix "tol" seen in the name of the tol'vir has anything to do with places like Tol Barad. Were there tol'vir survivors in the Eastern Kingdoms, too, perhaps working at or near Uldaman the way the northern ones worked at Ulduar and its satellite constructions before the nerubians enslaved them? Could there even be deeper levels to Uldaman as well, with surviving tol'vir battling the troggs? Was Archaedas really just guarding a vault, or are there deeper secrets yet to be revealed?
No idea -- but it's fun to speculate, huh?
Filed under: Lore, Know your Lore, Cataclysm






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
PakiSunny Jul 4th 2010 2:13PM
Oh man, I dont understand this, i nvr payed attention to ingame quest text. Damn I should have, cuase this stuff above seems interesting.
ElrithCC Jul 4th 2010 2:19PM
I was looking forward to a feline race, ever since the Lamia illustration in the first WoW artbook. There still remains the lizardman and the Jackalman race as depicted in the book to see someday perhaps.
Kaorael Jul 4th 2010 2:20PM
I had the feeling the creature at the Master's Glaive in Darkshore was actually just a servant of the old gods, since there were images of similar creatures in the Twilight Highlands in the Eastern Kingdoms in the first batch of leaked alpha screenshots.
Adegan Jul 4th 2010 2:47PM
I assumed that the creature in darkshore had been excavated and moved.
Alanid Jul 4th 2010 4:11PM
The ancient of lore in Darkshore that sends you there says in the quest text that it was a servant of the old gods.
lawters Jul 4th 2010 4:30PM
Actually no, it doesn't. It mentions the Twilight Cult serves. the "old lords" and that the masters Glaive is a place where an old lord fell. www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Master's_Glaive
Draniest Jul 5th 2010 2:27AM
The thing in Master's Glaive can't possibly be an old god. There's an identical creature with a glaive in its head in the Twilight Highlands, and it too is being excavated. Also, they appear to be in different stages of excavation. Unless they excavated the thing at Master's Glaive, moved it across the planet to the Twilight Highlands, then buried it again so that they could dig it out, they are two seperate entities. This supports that these are servants of the old gods, not the old gods themselves. Whether this "Slitherer" is a new old god that we've yet to see or the name of a powerful old god servant remains to be seen, but I think it's safe to say at this point that the Master's Glaive is not an old god.
HeartOfTheSwarmBeta Jul 5th 2010 4:38AM
You're right, actually; the creature at Master's Glaive, Soggoth the Slitherer, as a servant of the Old Gods. The Titans sent 20 stone giants after him; all but one died, and the last one got lucky when he jammed his sword into his head.
I'll find the quest that tells this on cata.WoWHead later
Inaraserra Jul 5th 2010 7:55AM
Its definitely Soggoth the Slitherer in Darkshore.
I played through that questline on the beta yesterday (and its a truly awesome questline).
(DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER if you don't want to be spoiled)
Its an epic questline that has you fight the "Battle for Darkshore" against the Twilight's Hammer, and its a phased quest. You first spy on the Twilight's Hammer and learn that they are indeed, trying to summon Soggoth. The whole area has changed now, and theres a lot of 'faceless ones' wandering about with the twilight's hammer.
The druids at the Grove of the Ancients send you to Remtravel to learn what you can about Soggoth; apparently he was originally taken out by 20 Stone giants sent by the titans. All giants but 1 were lost, and the last giant allowed Soggoth to wrap him in his tentacles and lift him up, so that he could sink that giant sword into Soggoths skull.
The druids are a bit nervous with this information, but decide that instead of stone giants, the Ancients could help (There's a quirky description of them as 'lumber giants'). To rouse the Ancients from their slumber, you need to get an artifact, but the keeper of the grove has been murdered... by the Naga! (yes, its really strongly implied that the Naga are involved with the Twilights Hammer somehow)
So, off you go offshore to confront the Naga in a cave, only to find out that their leader has sent his summoners up top to present the item to Azshara herself.
As you make your way up to try to stop her, Malfurion appears to help you out leading to an angry exchange between himself and Azshara. I can't remember much of what was said, i was too busy picking my jaw up off the floor at this point. :D
In the meantime, the Twilights hammer have sped up their plans, but because they've sped it up, they've summoned Soggoth only as an Avatar of Soggoth. You then call on the Ancients, and they appear to help you take down the Avatar of Soggoth
It was an unreal questline. I'm not entirely certain on whether it begins in the Grove, with Malfurion himself a little bit earlier, at the Eye of the Storm (thats another really epic one) Everyone should definitely try them both!!! :D
Thinkingwow Jul 4th 2010 4:27PM
What about the one near trisfal? And the one in the twilight highlands? (the thing that looks like masters glaive. Who made AQ?
Dakent Jul 4th 2010 3:01PM
My personal thought is we will see a true cthulhu old god under the sunken city of vash'jir
Corrian Jul 4th 2010 2:27PM
Now im wondering if uldaman holds more secrets, mmmmm. Is there an old god in the twilight Highlands? I think so, but im not sure, that would make Uldaman a close station to an old god too!!!
Im not sure what the hell has happened to the twilight highlands, but if you have seen the pics, some old god scheming shit is going on heavily!
I loved the Obsidian destroyers on War3, so happy to hear from them again, since AQ i was wondering "but were did the scourge ones came from???"!!!
great piece!
Saf Jul 4th 2010 2:31PM
"The Explorer's League was digging up a supposedly ancient site in Darkshore and another, similar one at Bael Modan."
Funny you should say that...
The Cataclysm has had an... interesting... effect on the Bael Modan digsite...
As of current Beta builds, it looks much like it does on live, however, future content is entirely possible, and even hinted at. Queue the "we dug too deep" NPC...
Also, there are some Dwarves down there that are no longer as Dwarvish as they used to be.
Adegan Jul 4th 2010 2:48PM
Skardyn you say?
Adegan Jul 4th 2010 2:46PM
Here's a crazy theory - what if the Titans are creations of the Old Gods? The Titan's metallic nature seems to indicate that they are, or at least once were constructs. The Old Gods are definitely more organic, and their title indicates they may have been the original rulers of the warcraft universe. A mechanical original would also explain the Titan's desire for order. We do know the Old Gods aren't native to Azeroth.
You know, if we exclude races that are descended from titans, raised from beasts, magically transformed or alien invaders, that makes the Trolls the only naturally occurring race on Azeroth.
Unless they're snake-people. Which would explain their body type, and the tusks.
Kurash Jul 4th 2010 2:56PM
According to all the lore I've read, the Old Gods *are* native to Azeroth, and the Titans are not. The Titans arrived and overthrew the Old Gods. Being metallic and constructed is much more a Titan-oriented thing -- the "curse of flesh" was the Old Gods' way to corrupt Titanic constructs, remember?
So... no, I'm afraid that there is existing lore that contradicts your theory. They could always ret-con their material, of course, but I think it unlikely in this instance.
Deathknighty Jul 4th 2010 3:34PM
Adegan, you're right, snakes DO have tusks!!
EasyAnswer Jul 4th 2010 4:31PM
You could always say that they were created from old gods from other worlds. There was an article here that said that the arakkoa in Outland were worshiping what is believed to be an old god, but that's still speculation...
dan Jul 10th 2010 5:38PM
Besides, there are plenty of races that evolved naturally on Azeroth besides trolls. Tauren, for one. And other non-playable races too - furbolg, gnolls, and quillboar to name a couple.
Firecrow Jul 4th 2010 2:46PM
I can't quite remember, but at one point, wasn't there suppose to be a dark presence underneath Tirisfal Glades? If that were the case, and it turned out to be an old god, then Uldaman would be roughly the same distance from there as Uldum is from AQ.