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7-06-2010 @ 8:05AM
The game is, well, a game. A social game, one meant to play to have fun with your friends. You're clearly playing with your friends, and you seem to really enjoy Fury (can't blame you on that one), so it looks like you're having fun. All is good.
7-06-2010 @ 8:46AM
Lets throw in a sports analogy. I like playing baseball with my friends. It's fun. However, they don't work nearly as hard as I do. They obviously don't have the same passion for the "game" that I do. I don't want to have to motivate my friends. Eventually anyone in this situation will stop enjoying the "game" and start looking at other teams who have their same passion. I suggest trying out another raiding guild.
7-06-2010 @ 8:55AM
This proves my point about the inane, same old topics.boohoo... I put out more damage than my team... I wan them to be leet like me.... why don't they pick up the slack..... waaahAre you having fun? Are you downing content? Are your teammates having fun? Then stop being a control freak and play the game, unless your idea of fun IS being a control freak, then I'd suggest you find a new hobby.
7-06-2010 @ 10:14AM
It appears that I will be making the unpopular comment here, but you should leave. First, you need to get rid of this "but we are friends" mentality. You are a group of people with supposedly similar goals, but it has become apparent to you that this isn't the case (if you did truly have similar goals the other members of your group would be putting out similar dps). There are plenty of hardcore guilds out there who have been bleeding members and would love to have a dedicated member who cares enough to put forth the minimal effort required to be a successful raider. I knew a guy recently who applied to a HC guild one morning, got accepted, server transferred and was raiding ICC hard modes that evening.There is nothing wrong with setting your raiding goals and expecting to meet them. If your "friends" are unwilling to spend the five minutes that it takes to make sure they have the right spec and rotation to get their dps up to your level, there is nothing wrong with saying "I am going to leave and raid with people who put forth the same effort that I do." If these people are actually your "friends" they will support you and you will still get to spend time with them and run 5 mans together and do all that happy funtime stuff you always did... or you won't but at least then you would know how much they truly cared.
7-06-2010 @ 10:18AM
@maxthehazy: Why do you stuck quotes around the term "friends"? Just because they don't have fun being the best like Mr. Fury Warrior up here doesn't mean they're any less of his friends.I've been in many guilds where the players were not as good or I or didn't have similar mindsets. So what? They still had fun, they played the way they wanted to and I respect that. I left those guilds, but I still consider them my friends.
7-06-2010 @ 10:42AM
@vinniedcleanerJust because you want a more competitive environment doesn't mean you are whining or being a control freak. It seems that his fellow raiders have exactly the mentality that you describe, as long as we are having fun, so what? So what if I don't buff and flask or research my specs, rotation and gear? So what if I'm doing less than optimal dps or stand in fires. So what if I auto-attack Saurfang and go for a smoke break? I'm having fun. To some people, that may be fun enough. To others, it may seem lazy and not much fun at all. To each his own. Don't judge because you don't have the will to "step your game up".IMO it would be best to start researching other guilds to find people that have the same passion you have. You can always keep an alt in the guild to keep in touch or run raids with them when you aren't running on your main. Or you can stay in your guild with your friends, but start a separate 10 man more hand-picked to your liking to try out hard modes or LK. With Cataclysm already in closed-beta, its not going to be long till this stuff is obsolete. Have fun in the mean time, but make sure your long term goal will also be met without burning any bridges.
7-06-2010 @ 11:10AM
That is such a loaded question and has many variables that aren't really addressed... Are you wiping repeatedly on content due to bosses enraging? Are you stuck farming normal modes for loots, because the rest of your guild doesn't want to put the work into progress? Or are you breezing through the content you are doing, but you are just winning in damage. For an example my guild is 9/12 Heroic ICC25 and 11/12 heroic 10, our fury warrior is in the top 5 on most fights (top 3 since he got full on Shadowmourne) but our affliction warlock and arcane mage tend to consistently top damage, along with one of our hunters. However the top 10 in dps may fluctuate fight to fight with about a 750 dps difference between 1-10 then it falls off from 11 down to the tanks. Are you doing so much more damage than the rest of your team that the difference is abhorrent like several thousand dps above? Do they use consumables? Are they slacking in not flasking, eating food buffs, or using pots for dps increases? If refusing to use consumables for raiding is an issue then you may need to find a more serious guild. If the dps difference in the top and the next few down is such a crazy number, then you may need to move on. If you are stuck raiding content that is beneath you to farm for badges and normal gear because your guild doesn't feel like working on hard modes you may need to move on. If you feel like the game loses its fun because you are stuck doing content beneath you or carrying your guild then you get more apathetic and logging on feels like a chore, and you need to find a place you fit in better. If you are just winning dps but your guild is succeeding at hard content, bringing their consumables, and overall work together and you have fun raiding with them, stop complaining help your friends guide them to places which can help them shore up their rotations, make better gem and gearing choices (cause high end players know how ilvl doesn't always mean the best piece), and maybe learn when to use their dps cooldowns. Half of this game is learning to manage cooldowns and use keybinds and macros, and maybe all they need is a shove in the right direction. Lrn2play nub doesn't help anyone, and never has just leads to bitter recrimination and a digression into insults. However, constructive criticism can cause people to improve if they are willing to take it.
7-06-2010 @ 11:57AM
I'm not sure how you can claim he's having fun.Let's look at the facts.The author is already curious about leaving the guild. That right there is all the reason he should need to know he should go through with it. He still considers them his friends, what happens when Cataclysm rolls around and he continues to feel as if everyone is not as dedicated to playing well as he is? Well he start resenting them? Will he stop logging on entirely simply to avoid the problem? While he still considers them to be his friends is the best time to leave. Those that are truly his friends will understand his desire for more and wish him well, no bridges need be burned over this.Rory is correct in my opinion, 100% correct. The author likes playing flag football with his friends, but he feels he's good enough to play in the NFL. When he plays with his friends he may have fun for now, but it's boring not having any competition. He wants more. His friends should support him.
7-06-2010 @ 11:58AM
You arnt really going to have to make a decision if any of your officers / guild leaders see this Breakfast Topic /gkick!
7-06-2010 @ 1:37PM
@SteveyIf his guild leader/officers saw this post hopefully they would direct their attention to the comments and not solely the topic presented. By doing so they would see the suggestions to the author about his decision. These comments may enlighten the officers to other situations that may improve the raiding performance of the guild without the author having to make much more if any further active attempt to help improve his fellow raiders performance. To the actual topic expecting more out of others is not in itself a bad thing but first the situations of every single person must be understood before it can decided if they are giving their all or not.
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