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7-07-2010 @ 8:08AM
Well, I don't think it's too great of an idea (The forum part), but I don't think it is such a terrible idea that the whole thing should get scrapped. Maybe an invisible status, or something. And maybe as facebook does, say how much information you want to make public. I mean, first names are peachy fine. Maybe even last initial. Looking at my name, it's not too hard to figure out what my first name is. Personally, I don't want about 6 new friend requests (On facebook) from creepers every time I post on the forums.
7-07-2010 @ 8:31AM
I agree. I think it's a good idea, but maybe a bit too extreme.I was thinking it would be more logical to kind of meet in the middle. Keep character names, but display the main character of the poster's account. Or at least the highest level character.That way people will still know who the poster is, but only in game.Also, using real names won't always stop trolls. I mean, only my real ID friends know my real name. If I chose to post something along the lines of "NERF LOL WTF" a thousand times, to the readers I'd just be another guy.
7-07-2010 @ 8:40AM
I don't get this. The concern, sure; but not the logic. First of all, how are they going to know it's you specifically on Facebook? Is your name that unique? Secondly, why even have your Facebook so randoms can find it if you're that concerned. It's easily turned off in the privacy settings.I say this generally rather than aimed at you specifically, everyone seems to be enjoying some melodramatic hyperbole in regards to all this. The difference with Facebook is that they were going to give your information to third parties automatically and without your consent unless you opted out. They also went out of their way to hide that information from users.Blizzard are simply saying that if you want to post on their forums, you're gonna have to use your real name. There's a big difference.Additionally, people are overestimating just how interesting they are. As someone who pretty much uses his real name on most places he posts (I find that it means I watch what I say), I have never once received any kind of attention from it, negative or otherwise. In fact, people were more likely to try and "expose" me if I used a pseudonym.For someone to think that people are suddenly going to harass them because they are using their real name on a forum is not only being a tad condescending to the human race, but it's also being a little narcissistic.People stalk interesting people. We play WoW. It's a pretty mundane hobby. ;)
7-07-2010 @ 9:00AM
To the person who says are they going to know its you specifically on facebook.... Yes my name is that unique, and yes I have the extreme end of privacy settings on facebook. However, I google searched myself and found some very disturbing information about myself, all actually me in the first 5 pages. Things that are beyond my control.As a woman playing this game I have been harrassed in game already. Yes Bliz helped to take care of those issues. Now they are making it so that I cannot post on their official forums for anything. They say it has always been an optional service, so why is it that they have always encouraged the use of the support forums as the best and in some cases only option. I am extremely against this in many ways.
7-07-2010 @ 9:09AM
@godess_raven: To be honest, it's easy enough to "stalk" you just under a pseudonym. About 5 minutes on Google told me that you like Hello Kitty and your birthday is in May.It probably wouldn't take much more to figure it out, but I stand by what I say about the effort involved versus the point. (That is, no offense, I really don't care.)I wonder how many people really know how anonymous they actually aren't.
@Liam O'Connor I'm not agreeing with the Facebook thing or anything. I realize outside of the game that this pretty trivial. I'm agreeing that it's a good but bad idea. I don't really like people to know my real name unless I know them. It just feels too personal.My main concern is the point I made in my post. "Also, using real names won't always stop trolls. I mean, only my real ID friends know my real name. If I chose to post something along the lines of "NERF LOL WTF" a thousand times, to the readers I'd just be another guy." There is no way of finding some one called John Smith's character in WoW. So what does he have to fear by trolling?And it's not the constructive criticism I'm talking about. I'm talking about the people who roll a low level character and then just go to the forum and abuse posters. A lot of that happens, usually when someone cannot formulate a counter argument. But like I said, if someone's going to do that why should they be discouraged that they have a name someone can't possibly trace?
7-07-2010 @ 10:22AM
7-07-2010 @ 10:42AM
@Lisha: Firstly, yes. It's generally a habit of mine to read any contract or terms I agree to. I even re-read them after every patch.Secondly, how is that related to anything? Blizzard using Massive to advertise to me in their games and telling me about it beforehand is a far cry from Facebook opening up your privacy settings and passing along your information to third parties without telling you about it and even going so far as to go out of their way to keep you from knowing about it and stopping it.A more similar scenario would be if Blizzard suddenly gave all your private data to GameStop/EB Games for research purposes without informing you about it first.
7-07-2010 @ 11:18AM
Simply trying to state that we have agreed to a third party, something many people did not read when they accepted.
7-07-2010 @ 12:42PM
@ LiamWhen I use user names I don't pick very original ones, my birthday is not in May. You just proved that people will take the time to look others up. Granted for you it was making a point.Yes I can be stalked in many ways, though I never put my personal information out intentionally it is there. When I google my name and see that my personal information is out there because of voter registration it is a bit surprising and unsettling. I do not give my name to random people I don't know in real life. So while I would normal find myself not interesting enough to be searched, I am a woman who plays wow, enough reason for many I have encountered in wow who have done just that to others.And in a time where Blizz is having an increase in account hacking, I also don't think this is the brightest idea they have had.If it wasn't for the Support forums that they prefer to be used and in some cases have said is the only spot for your problem I would just ignore that the forums existed and go on with my business. Hard to do that when it isn't much of an opt-in or out choice at that point.
7-07-2010 @ 1:03PM
@Liam O'ConnorI completely agree with you. Look at all the WoW insider article writers. Their real name is posted on every article. They publicly write their opinions of WoW (which are not always well received). I can guarantee that you would NOT be able to find who I am where I live my phone number just by my name. Also, why would you want to? I don't see how people can say it's illegal for Blizzard to post your name, when they are telling you up front that they are going to do it and you choose to. When you play you hit I agree with all the terms and conditions, there is no, I agree to only some of if. Thats like knowing that Blizzard is going to charge you $15/mo and then telling your bank hey I didn't authorize that. Yeah, I know they said they were gonna do it, but I don't accept that part of the agreement.
7-07-2010 @ 2:16PM
Even as someone who deeply cares about personal security (I don't have a Facebook or MySpace because I like keeping my information private) I can still see both sides to this whole issue... I am arguing with myself! Here is a piece of my inner dialog:Pro: "Ok, this system WILL reduce trolling / flaming / racism. PennyArcade had it right: normal person + anonymity + audience = fuckwad. And so, with anonymity removed, many normal people will cease to act like fuckwads."Con: "I truly doubt that this will stop all fuckwadery on the forums."Pro: "Yes, Fuckwads will still exist, and probably in far more numbers than Blizzard estimates, but there WILL be a huge drop in their population. And isn't ending the mass amount of hatred people spew out on the forums is a good thing?"Con: "Yes, I agree that killing off the hatred spewing Fuckwads is a good thing. But, is reducing the Fuckwad population to endangered status actually worth the loss of your privacy? Aren't there better ways of holding them accountable?"Pro: "Name some ways."Con: "Well you could, for example, supply a list of all of their characters on Armory - thus removing the ability to post on level 1 alts. Or making an account wide pseudonym? Or removing the ability for trial accounts to post? Do I really need to alert the world that "Hey, Johnny Franco plays Kromdar the Orc Warrior!" to kill of some Fuckwads? Seems like a steep price to me."Pro: "Ok, let me stop you there. Yes, the RealID system runs off of your real name. But is your first and last name truly that important? For instance, what information can you glean about me? Not my bank account, not my credit cards. When I was looking for a job I gave my full name out to anyone who asked. I call up restaurants all the time for delivery or carry out and give my full name when asked. I rarely scrutinize who I tell my name too when out in public, and they not only know my name but what I look like, the area I live in, as well as other things."Con: "Yah but.." Pro: "Let me finish. And... and the reason I don't care is because I am one of a thousand people that Walmart cashier will see during that day. Even if I came up and purchased cat food and condoms I truly doubt the cashier is going to care enough to look me up online - even with my full name and zip code blinking at them on their checkout screen. I am not important enough... yet. So for me, the average person, I am still "technically" anonymous simply because I am a single person in a huge crowd."Con: "Ok, but there are still dedicated people who can sniff out people in a crowd. I have never been stalked, but I could see how this system (Like Facebook or Twitter) is pretty much a digital Bloodhound for stalkers. There are people who may deem you important, not because your a millionaire... yet, but because your an ex, or because your a girl, or because you have an ethnic name. Do you really want people who are looking for you to have an easy way to find you?"Pro: "But I can still be found by dedicated people. All the stories I hear tell of angry ex's that hack email accounts or look over Facebook until they find the person. My internet pseudonym can be tracked back to something personal and used to identify me. No amount of security can stop a dedicated individual, they will find ways to subvert it."Con: "But do you really want to help your stalker or assailant? Your home alarm system isn't difficult to disable for a skilled thief, but do you really need to go post the exact schematics to your alarm system on the internet for any thief to see? Why help them find you? An jaded ex may take the time to match your pseudonym to your real name, but an ex guildy probably wouldn't. But now, said guildy doesn't have to do all the hard work of matching your pseudonym - you did it for them."Pro: "But now your just being paranoid and we're back to the catfood and condoms! Why would someone do that? As you said, only a dedicated individual would care enough to find you - and an ex guildy is not going to be dedicated enough to do that."Con: "But it will be easier now. Before it took a lot of time to find you, time only a dedicated person would invest - as you said. But now if your real name is publically available on the forums that ex guildy doesn't have to put in as much time to find your real name. And thus, the bar of entry into stalking you is lowered drastically."Pro: "I still don't think I am that important."Con: "Ok, then lets look at people who are important. We can all assume that Olivia Munn of G4's Attack of the Show has played World of Warcraft at some point or plays it now. She is important and thus would not be able to post on the forums simply because people will spam her in game. She doesn't want or need 1000 whispers of "Hey, talk about on AoTS tomorrow!" or "You're hot, show me your rack!" while she's raiding Deathwing. But, in the realm of MMO's she is far better suited than you or I to post on the forums regarding game changes and such because she is a reporter (kinda) in the game industry."Pro: "Ok, true. But she doesn't have to put which character / realm she belongs too when she posts so your point is moot."Con: "Not if she posts on her own realm's forum. Then we have the "Olivia plays on Darkshire! Lets go find her!" mobs racing around causing havoc because she asked if anyone was selling Fish Feasts on the forum."Pro: "These are pretty isolated examples, I don't think that they matter too much. You can pull "What if's" out of a bag over and over and it doesn't discredit that this is a good system." Con: "But Olivia, and anyone else in her position, is still a person. And why are we adopting a system that will hurt the fun these persons have in World of Warcraft?"Pro: "To kill the Fuckwads who kill the fun for people in the forums."Con: "Yah but..."Me: "And that's all the time we have slotted for my insane schizophrenic arguing today. Tune in next time to hear my mind ramble on and on about some other random topic..."
7-07-2010 @ 2:25PM
@Godess_raven: Oh, it's definitely you. You spelt "godess" wrong, you see. So you are the only one (only three pages of results).The problem is that you are right, your birthday isn't in May. The error here is that I'm used to putting the day first, not the month.So 5th December. I won't put the year; I'm not trying to make that much of a point.I noticed that you didn't deny a liking of Hello Kitty. ;)Also, you might want to take down the some old blog posts (and accompanying profile photo) if you are that worried about it.It's not hard to do with a unique username and knowing that you like Warcraft.
7-07-2010 @ 2:57PM
>I completely agree with you. Look at all the WoW insider article writers. Their real name is posted on every article. They publicly write their opinions of WoW (which are not always well received). I can guarantee that you would NOT be able to find who I am where I live my phone number just by my name.< That's you. Others are not the same. Also note how many of us choose not to be WoW Insider article writers. Some of us have reasons for it. Some of us may not, but we can choose to do so.>Also, why would you want to?Do you really need to know what people could do with that information?> I don't see how people can say it's illegal for Blizzard to post your name, when they are telling you up front that they are going to do it and you choose to. When you play you hit I agree with all the terms and conditions, there is no, I agree to only some of if. Thats like knowing that Blizzard is going to charge you $15/mo and then telling your bank hey I didn't authorize that. Yeah, I know they said they were gonna do it, but I don't accept that part of the agreement. <Actually, the people can say it's illegal if their local laws prohibit Blizzard from doing it. I don't know if it's actually the case in this particular instance, I haven't studied the laws of every applicable entity, but it is pretty common for portions of contracts and agreements to be null and void. There are some things you can't sign away. The TOS even acknowledges this in one the clause. Now in this case, I don't know if such protections apply to me, or anybody else but I'll gladly encourage my legislators to implement them, and if they don't, then I'll refuse consent to this further agreement with Blizzard, as is my right. I also have the right to say what I feel about it, don't I?Or do you think just because some people can agree with something, that I, or anybody else should be forced to do so, or even to simply abide in silence?
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