Gold Capped: The Undermine Journal

There's a new tool in my kit. The Undermine Journal, whose alpha was just recently launched, is a site that lets you see data from your auction house live from the internet. My realm was recently added, and when I searched for Eternal Belt Buckles, it showed me a convenient Google Finance-style graph of the price and availability, as well as the mats needed for it, and a list of my competition!
Words fail me, so hop past the break for a screengrab.

How it works
On the surface, it's quite simple. You select your realm, search for the product you're stalking and it will tell you the market value for the product, what it costs to make and the quantity available. Interestingly, the developers have put quite a bit of thought into their definition of "market price." They've given us the average cost, assuming we were to buy the cheapest 15% of the stock available. This is, in my opinion, an extremely good idea. The market price for many types of items isn't what you have to sell it at in order to be the cheapest on the AH; it's going to be essentially what price you could list stock at and expect it to move. Of course, listing at lower prices will lead to faster sell times, and if you have the production capability to match that, larger volumes. That said, their rule of thumb is a good one.
Another interesting mechanic is their calculation of the price of the mats. You'll notice on the above image that they show a materials price of 33.64g for a belt buckle. This number is achieved by searching for all the mats and summing up the market price for them. It doesn't assume that you can make your own mats, however, so be aware that some of these market prices are inflated. In the above example, I can buy ore and smelt it myself to save 25% on saronite.
How it really works
I haven't the faintest clue about what happens behind the scenes here. All I know is that it's scarily accurate and up to date. I don't believe Blizzard has released an API for the mobile AH, but I'll bet there's a connection somewhere. The selection of realms is quite large for an alpha project, but it's not a complete list by any means. They're taking requests for realms, though.
Use this for good, not evil!
One of the most interesting features I found was the ability to drill down to see what your competition is involved in. If you search by name for one of your competitors, you'll see all kinds of valuable information:
- what time they've been posting, historically
- a bunch of pie charts showing what markets they're involved in
- a list of all their current auctions

Remotely e-stalking you competition is, of course, a bad use of your time; however, strategic information can be gained by looking into what they're doing. Check this out with enough competitors and you will see where all the profitable markets are.
Industry snapshots
The last killer feature they've implemented so far is something I am calling an "industry snapshot," for lack of an official term. If you click on one of the industries they list on the realm pages, you get something like this:

The long and short of it
This is all information. Very detailed, accurate, hard-to-manually-compile information. It's not going to destroy any markets, but it will level the playing field a touch. Making this kind of information this easily available will mean more efficient competition, which means stronger supply and more undercutting.
If the profits you lose due to smarter and faster competition are more than the extra profits you make by using this information, then you're one of the unfortunate few who has nothing to learn from this type of data aggregation. For the rest of us, however, this will free up a nice chunk of time that we used to spend poring over spreadsheets and doing research.
Filed under: Economy, Gold Capped






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Tom Jul 14th 2010 9:19PM
Even though this is an alpha, I feel like I should have known about it earlier.
striegs Jul 14th 2010 9:21PM
Wow... this is more than impressive.
I'm with you in wondering where they're getting their raw data. Bots stationed at the auction houses on various servers?
Also, I'd like to see the ability to search across all servers for a particular item, to see if it is listed on any auction house on any faction. I've known hardcore RPers who will gladly eat a realm transfer just to get their hands on a certain item *coughmechbuilder'soverallscough*
Aley Jul 14th 2010 9:42PM
Bots might seem to be the best choice but there is no (legal) way to communicate with anything outside of WoW without relogging.
In addition to that, bots are illegal according to the EULA, so i assume they get it from the remote armory :)
RichardCyphr Jul 15th 2010 1:39AM
My guess is that they are using the mobile AH somehow, it seems more likely then using anything in the game.
Rollo Jul 15th 2010 6:58AM
Aley, the chat logs are written in real time and could be read by another program on the same computer. A custom private chat channel to dump data into is all you need. But I agree, the mobile armory seems more likely and the timing fits as well.
Nick Jul 15th 2010 4:35PM
The creator is in my guild, and I've read his comments about creating the site on forums.
He uses the data API from the mobile AH, everything's legit, there's no bots or violation of Terms of Service involved.
Basil Berntsen Jul 15th 2010 6:55PM
He emailed me and said as soon as he gets around to writing it, he'll include an "about us" page that details how the site works. Long story short, there's no abuse of the ToS as far as I can tell.
Zilch Jul 14th 2010 9:24PM
This. Is. AWESOME!
I've been dreaming of something like this since the remote AH came online. It's like they read my mind!
Even bigger profits here I come! =D
Tirrimas Jul 14th 2010 9:26PM
This is...wow. Auctioneer makes no sense to me at all, but this - THIS, I could use.
No Name Jul 14th 2010 9:29PM
I completely agree. I feel Auctioneer is quite lacking, and this could really make up for its flaws.
Heilig Jul 14th 2010 9:36PM
Auctioneer actually does most of this, it just doesn't aggregate or display the data as nicely. It keeps track of prices, you just have to remember to scan. It lets you order auctions by seller, you just can't search. Auctioneer doesn't factor in costs, but Lil Sparky's Workshop plays nicely with Auctioneer and Skillet and will tell you everything you need to know.
This information is very nicely collected and displayed, but I prefer in-game information over tabbing out.
Heilig Jul 14th 2010 9:27PM
Paralysis by Analysis.
This sort of information, while interesting, is nothing special. You can get it from currently existing addons. Any decent goblin already has most of this information in their heads, anyway. The only exception is the ability to look up a single person's auctions, although I'm not certain that promotes the healthiest competition.
As I have said before, there are three kinds of people that play the Auction House. There are the casual players that just want some gold, there are the people who have turned it into a personal game to see how much gold they can make, and there are the assholes who are more interested in preventing other people from making gold than they are in making their own.
If you are of type one, thank you for your money.
If you are of type two, thank you for giving me healthy competition, it makes things more fun.
If you are of type three, screw you and everything you stand for. You're the same guy who 5-boxes elemental shamans and thinks he's an awesome PvPer.
Enabling people to search someone else's auctions without even being logged in or even paying for the remote auction house feature is going too far in my book.
Toggle Jul 14th 2010 11:39PM
While it is true that most of this information can be obtained from addons in game, one of the truly exciting features here is your ability to see this data without logging into the game and running scans on a regular basis. A person who just started playing the Auction House can have similar pricing data to a person who has been running scans for weeks.
The portability of this is also great icing on the cake.
Personally, I think this website sounds like a great solution for those Goblins without a photographic memory.
Portals Jul 15th 2010 11:47AM
Finding previously unknown niche markets. That is all.
Aley Jul 14th 2010 9:38PM
I guess they have characters on those reams and are running several scripts on their servers, logging in on the remote AH (either the PC or mobile one) and then using that to search for auctions. As i don't really see a Getall function on the armory, i'm quite interested how they're searching for auctions, but it seems to be trade mats only.
Basically everyone should be able to run such a bot as you can browse (but not buy / sell on) the AH when you're logged into the AH, so it basically only seems to require a server to run this on.
I'm personally quite interested in this and i therefore hope they'll either add EU realms or release the sourcecode of the scripts they use to connect to the remote AH, as i always forget to scan the AH ingame....
Abbadon Jul 14th 2010 9:44PM
Interesting....
I'm sure I can learn a thing or two here, but for the most part, I'm pretty happy with my level of competence in game as it is now. Sadly, I fear my competition will likely learn way more than I do from this tool. Guess I'll just have to work a bit harder to stay ahead. ;-p
Overall, I'm in agreement that this site is a bit too powerful. I'm also sure it encroaches a bit on Bliizzard's turf - the mobile AH. (kinda/sorta, but not really) I'm guessing for one reason or another, Blizz will shut it down... Soon.
thegatherer Jul 14th 2010 9:45PM
How long until Blizz nixes this?
It seems a little too...I don't know, exploitable almost.
But that's just me.
FLAME ON!
Salculd Jul 15th 2010 3:05AM
I'm inclined to agree with you. I can't remember the source, but I seem to remember Blizzard saying that they didn't develop a mobile AH API or any other means of massive data collection from the AHs while offline for the explicit purpose of preventing someone from doing this.
My guess is that it's a web bot doing explicit searches for specific trade goods--note how it says that weapons and armor are only in the stage of preliminary support and that it only covers blues and higher, which would be viable with explicit searching. Regardless, I thought there was a result limit even on those, which I'd think would limit the statistical comprehensiveness of this to a point that might cheapen its value for particularly high-volume items.
Disclaimer: I only messed around with the mobile AH thing when it was in its brief open beta period and haven't been following it since, so my line of thinking might be completely off.
Salculd Jul 15th 2010 3:06AM
(argh lack of edit button, thanks afterthoughts) The limited availability per server would seem to indicate that too--can't you only access the auction house on servers you have at least one character of the appropriate faction on?
eMaRDi Jul 15th 2010 4:09AM
Hmm, I somehow fear this is the beginning of thhe end of mobile AH. The selection of specific realms/factions suggests that bots are used (I think mobile AH would be easier to access the data but quite more suspicious to Blizzard).
However, such datamining will lead at some point to - let's say "interested" groups which uses to data to auction via mobile AH (which should be less suspicious if they do not overdo it).
Ingame datamining which is not done by Blizzard will not be accepted long, I think.
Item-DBs are one thing (as they get their data once), but something regularly scanning ingame content and not officially approved by Blizzard? Sounds like some shortlived idea.
However, it IS a nice idea at all.