Officers' Quarters: Destructive criticism

In the day-to-day duties of an officer and a raid leader, few endeavors are more fraught with the potential for drama than doling out performance advice to your players. Constructive criticism, no matter how well-meaning, can become destructive in the blink of an eye if it's not approached delicately. After scaring off a healer, the officer who wrote this week's email is looking for a better way to deal with these situations.
Scott,
As an officer in my guild, I take care of several things, but the big three are raid leading our second 10-man group (which is not easy as a healer, by any stretch of the imagination), making sure our priests are doing what they are supposed to be doing both as dps and healers, and any extra healers, making sure they're doing their job right. The first two are interesting enough, especially since there's very little consistency with our group, and our number of priests waxes and wanes with the seasons. But the big problem here is when I have to "fix" a healer. Now, I know no one likes to receive constructive criticism, and officers like even less to give the constructive criticism for fear of running off the guild member.
Recently, I've had to talk to two different healers to try to help them out with their healing, one was a holy priest, the other a restoration shaman. Now, I have some pretty hefty experience with both classes as healers (I have two max level priests, and a max level shaman, and I've healed in raids on all of them), so I find myself at least somewhat knowledgeable about the classes, but by no means do I consider myself an expert. I'll leave that to Elitist Jerks. At any rate, the two healers, after speaking with them separately in tells, I found that the priest was more willing to work with the suggestions I'd made, and there was a huge improvement the following night in our raid. The shaman, however, was very adverse to my suggestions. Here's where the meat of the problem comes in.
I am by nature a blunt type of person. However, I also am looked at by a lot of people as being very reasonable (which is was got me into the officer position to begin with). The problem is that when it comes to having to give out advice of this nature, I don't know how to do it without sounding too brash. I practically begged the shaman to give me some sort of feedback, or ask any questions, and got no response. Then, without a word, he /gquit the next day without talking to any officers. To further the problem, he's told different people different things (what he's told our officers is consistent, but what he told another guildmate is totally a separate deal). What concerns me is that when he spoke to one of our other non-officer guildmates, he mentioned that it was due to criticism of his healing. I can't really give actual chat logs, but I am wondering if this might possibly be a way that I put it to him (in which case, how do I fix this?), or more likely, is it just that the shaman needs to get a thicker skin?
Thanks,
Confused Healing Officer
CHO, as you are most likely already aware, there is a huge difference between solicited advice and unsolicited advice. Solicited advice is often a walk in the park. The player is, by default, already willing to hear you out and interested in improving his game. All you have to do is avoid going out of your way to insult that player and you can have a productive conversation.
Unsolicited advice, on the other hand, is incredibly difficult to deliver well. That's what you were trying to do with these players. Much depends on the attitude of the person receiving it, and sometimes a poor reaction simply can't be helped no matter how reasonably you deliver the advice. That may have been the case with your resto shaman. Without knowing what was said, I can't really make a judgment. However, another player responded to you with the complete opposite reaction. That fact leads me to believe that the issue is with them and not you. Still, it's possible you could improve your delivery.
An example
Let's look at an example from my own guild. I have a rogue in my guild who has since stopped playing WoW. He was not an officer, but he was one of the most skilled players that we had. As such, he consistently topped the charts, rarely made mistakes and was a key player in many guild-first boss kills. His problem, when trying to help other players in the guild to play better, is that he often chose his words and timing poorly.
He would often begin by asking someone why they were doing one thing instead of another. His intent was to get them to question the reasons behind a decision that they may not have thought about before, but this tactic immediately put them on the defensive. Then when he suggested that they do something his way instead, it made them feel like he was tricking them into giving the wrong answer so he could tell them they were doing it wrong. Even worse, he'd often do this between boss attempts when people weren't ready for it and there was no time for a conversation.
Some people could handle it; they respected his skill and were willing to listen in order to perform better. Others would become irate. On one occasion, another rogue in the guild whispered me, "Tell [that player] that I know how to play my class." This other rogue consistently performed less well and probably could have benefited from his fellow rogue's advice, but he was not willing to accept it as it was given. Instead, he took offense because of the delivery.
The chart-topping rogue also became frustrated. He had spent hours researching the best ways to maximize his damage, and in his mind, he was just trying to share the fruit of that research with other players in the guild. "Why," he asked me, "does everyone get mad when I try to help them?" The answer I gave him was this: "You have to think more about how you deliver the message, so you don't come across as pompous or condescending. You also have to plan your timing carefully, to extend the advice at a moment when the person is better able to absorb it."
I'll get into these topics next week. The first thing you should do is think about your guild's criticism culture.
Criticism culture
Every guild has its own "criticism culture." By that I mean how often player performances are evaluated and discussed -- and thus how prepared a player might be to have such a conversation.
If you play in a guild that doesn't emphasize progression, then criticism may be quite rare. It's even possible that players you're approaching have never really thought about performance issues before. Questioning their skill level or their techniques can broadside them, immediately making them uncomfortable with the topic. That, in turn, increases the chances that they'll become angry, fearful or upset. In this type of criticism culture, you often won't get very far with the direct approach.
In this setting, it's best to spend time easing a player into the idea of researching performance-related topics. Mention to him some resources that have helped you. Sometimes all you need to do is to point him in the right direction to find the information that can help. Then see if he obtains the information on his own and begins to improve that way.
If you play in a progression guild, on the other hand, it's likely that criticism happens quite frequently. The problem in this culture occurs when a player thinks he already knows all the answers and that you couldn't possibly tell him anything he doesn't already know. This attitude presents its own difficulties. In this case, you should initially approach the conversation as a discussion between equals, not as you telling him "how to play." Explain to him that you've discovered some helpful tips. Give the source and talk about how taking these steps has helped you to play better. Don't even go so far as to suggest this other player do the same thing; it's already implied. The person may respond with, "I think my way is better regardless." That's often the first instinct. Later on, he may notice you topping the meters or see you survive a particularly tough boss phase, and he may decide to do some research of his own to see if you were right.
I call these two techniques "planting the seed." Your goal at this stage is to avoid ruffling feathers but also to get the person at least thinking about what he could do to improve. Most players fall somewhere between these two extremes (clueless and know-it-all). You'll have to judge which approach is best as a starting point, if you have reason to believe that a direct critique will be poorly received.
Very often, systematic problems in a player's game can't be "fixed" in a single conversation. For this week, I've laid out the first two steps in my constructive criticism strategy:
- Consider your guild's criticism culture and adapt your approach accordingly.
- Plant the seed of taking personal initiative to research and improve play.
/salute
Read: Destructive criticism, part 2
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 4)
Pyromelter Jul 19th 2010 5:57PM
Sounds like my kind of guild. Need a good mage? :)
Stilhelm Jul 19th 2010 7:52PM
As raid leader of our small relatively casual guild, I don't generally have to deal with these kinds of issues. There is a general expectation that people will know how to spec/play. Our best resto druid doesn't use healbot and had an unusual spec for a while. I myself do not run the "top" cookie-cutter spec on my rogue, although the spec I use is known to be almost as good, possibly even better at less than BiS gear. What I do generally expect is that if people want to do something different, that's fine if you can show that you put some thought into it, and you can perform at an acceptable level for the content. If your performance is poor, and when questioned on your spec/enchants you don't have good answers, then that's a problem. If certain raid members aren't performing at an appropriate level, I will let them know. Fortunately, our guildees are all generally pretty competent.
We do run into the issue with pugs occasionally when we don't have enough guildees to fill a raid, and if underperforming pugs aren't interested in learning how to perform better, then they're out and never coming back (a certain combat daggers rogue comes to mind). Life is too short to deal with idiots when you don't have to.
John Jul 19th 2010 5:04PM
I don't raid, and I am not an officer, but I do have to handle sociological situations such as delivering criticism like this on a daily basis at work. Since I don't like the Raid experience, I don't read many articles on it, so if this has been covered, just ignore me. But it seems to me I see many people who discuss the issue of helping other guildmates via delivering constructive criticism, however, rarely do I see any advice (or admittance) given on delivering praise.
The human mind associates good experience to bad on a ratio of 7:1. This means it takes seven good moments to equal out the experience of one bad one. So despite many people (including myself) seeing constructive criticism as a good thing, the fact that it means something was not performed properly, or to optimal standards still looms in the back of the mind. By human nature, we are more likely to view the lack of performance as a negative experience. At best this presents a good to bad of 1:1, the good being the officer wants us to get better, the bad being we underperformed. Often, it can cause a higher rate of bad though because the person experiencing may also consider things like, "This is my me-time, I don't want to hear this, I get enough at work." or "I did my best, and it was really good, so screw them." Other thoughts that raise the "bad factor"
From a management standpoint, the best practice is to praise. Praise constantly and consistently. Even the smallest achievement that even a noob should be able to accomplish. Just because it is a basic accomplishment, doesn't make it any less of an accomplishment. Does this mean a lot of work, because you will have to praise a lot of people, a lot of the time? You bet it does. Often the best practice is the most work. However, if you are going to the trouble of delivering the constructive criticism so your guild can get better, then you obviously care enough to work at it.
By praising often, the guildmates get in the habit of hearing their well-done deeds from you, so when it is time to deliver criticism, it can really soften the blow. Not only that, but they are more likely to think along the lines of, "He always tells me how well I do, so he must pay attention. If this is something I should work on, I respect his criticism."
Rob Jul 19th 2010 5:06PM
Back when the guild cared about raiding, I had a guy who played a mage that was arcane in a time when frost was clearly best (or maybe it was visa versa). Anyway point being there was one generally accepted good spec. I don't play mages obviously.
Our guild is social/casual. I mentioned "hey, may want to think about frost, it does better raid dps". He said "but I like arcane". Okay, np. A few weeks later, we did a heroic, he and I, and there was another nearly identically geared mage there. That mage did 2x better than him. I said "oh btw, this guy is frost, and this is the recount, may want to look into it if you want higher dps".
A few weeks later, he came to me and said "wow I looked into it, and I changed my rotations, enchants, and spec, and now my dps is much higher, thanks"
I think if you tell without criticizing you will go a long way in certain more casual guilds.
KPB Jul 19th 2010 5:23PM
I think one of the most important things to remember has only be mentioned once, in one post.
Remember how you are communicating with the person. Tells or chat in game mean they are just reading what you are typing and the don't get any of the non-verbal communication you get over the phone or in person. This makes it very important to carefully choose what you say and how you say it to avoid any misunderstandings, etc. Using abbreviations, slang/leet speak here probably aren't the best idea.
If you can, a chat is probably a better option. It at least allows them to hear tone of voice. That does typically mean that you can't do it during the raid, which is probably a good thing anyway.
Beyond that the sandwich idea is fairly well know because it does actually work. Even if it is something as simple as saying "you've enjoyed having them on the raids" at the start and "you look forward to the raid being more successful when the raid improves it's performance as a whole" at the end of the conversation.
I do agree that healers are harder to evaluate than dps or even tanks. Even if you look at the "role" they are assigned you can't say that because everyone lived they are doing a good job or that if everyone died they are doing a bad job. If they are assigned to heal the melees and they all lived but the DK had to use deathstrike to heal themselves and the enhancement shaman pop a HW using maelstrom weapon to save themselves then they might not be performing up to par. On the other hand they may have all died due to damage the could and should be avoiding and you can't really blame the healer for that. Even beyond the simple examples like that, I find that a good healing team is always helping each other out and backing up the other healers rather than just doing their thing. Kinda like the good dps actually switches targets well, or interrupts casts, etc while still doing good dps.
random Cow Jul 19th 2010 6:20PM
"so I find myself at least somewhat knowledgeable about the classes, but by no means do I consider myself an expert. I'll leave that to Elitist Jerks."
That part concerns me. The reader had healed raids on both a Shaman and Priest (had 1 max level Priests) but it sounds like they did not have expert-level advice to give. Before even stepping in to a raid, anyone serious at all about healing should have gone through the material at the EJ forums, and should probably be reading blogs specific to their class.
Think about it, all the time spent to get to 80, then get some gear, how many hours was that? Then to not spend 45 minutes learning how your class really functions in raids, thats just criminal.
What kind of advice can this person really give to other healers? How to be a mediocre and uninformed healer?
themark0fevil Jul 20th 2010 1:14AM
I'm not an expert on either class. I do have very good knowledge of them. I'm not going to claim to be something I'm not, and neither am I a complete min/maxer nor in a top guild. Yes, I'll admit that I'm the one that wrote in this letter. However, consider that in WoL reports, 90% or more of the Shaman's healing was Chain Heal. Much of the rest was Earth Shield. There was very little in the way of Riptide or Lesser Healing Wave or even Healing Wave. We'd brought in another Restoration Shaman one raid with him, and not only was the healing more varied for Resto Shaman B, but also he had lower quality gear, outhealed Resto Shaman A, and had more overall active time.
I know damn well there are things that I can improve on certain encounters to better deal with my throughput and mana efficiency, but some of those things you have to also learn by doing, and a lot of times, those encounters change as far as how you heal between 10-man and 25-man. I don't even try to give advice where Discipline is concerned, or Resto Druids, or Holy Paladins, as I have little to no experience on any of those three.
This is no way makes me mediocre (example, #21 Holy Priest on Festergut 25 normal hps), nor does it make me misinformed or not informed. I resent that remark, as I have taken time to research my classes that I do play; in fact, that's one of the things I do before I really start trying to gear anything up, as it would put me under the limits of where I should be at any given gear level. But when it comes to the point of your other healers having to work that much harder to make up for those losses because someone wants to faceroll two buttons. Regardless, if you're going to read into that part of the letter, then that's on you, but keep in mind that that's not at all the issue, never was, and you're assuming way too much from one line of text. I don't appreciate that. And I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate anyone taking anything YOU said out of context either.
It is much more difficult to evaluate healing, but if one or more of your healers is getting outhealed by a shadow priest (or god forbid a warlock or death knight), then there are obviously problems that need to be fixed. This has been the case with both of those in question (also, keep in mind this was a month, month and a half ago this all went down). There is a huge difference between "you're doing it wrong" and "hey, how can we improve your output?" - I'm trying to get more toward the latter than the former.
Kay Jul 27th 2010 8:12AM
Random Cow, i think your definition of "Expert" may vary from the OPs. Spending "45 minutes" reading through EJ doesn't make you an expert. An expert knows their given subject inside out. It's clear that the OP knows what he's talking about, but didn't want to arrogantly claim to be all knowing.
Paradoxx Jul 19th 2010 6:51PM
Always a tough job. I myself LOVE constructive criticism as a pure DPS spec. Anytime someone can tell em how to do something better/faster/easier I'm all for it.
but I'm horrible at helping others. Always have been. I tried my hand at gauging the hunter apps for my guild but I was always 1 step away from "What the hell is wrong with you?" In my defense, it was a SV hunter with nice gear but no points in TNT.
SO if you've got someone willing and able to critique and help others.... hold onto em.
Hirumared Jul 20th 2010 4:49AM
""What the hell is wrong with you?" In my defense, it was a SV hunter with nice gear but no points in TNT." Why would you not put points into boosting the damage of the ability that is your number one damager? lol. just like I have to fight back the urge to /w every hunter I see with no points into gftt, or a mm hunter that will not take piercing shots
Maalin Jul 19th 2010 6:53PM
I love articles like this and wish more raid and guild leaders would take them to heart. Right now I give kudos to leaders who bother to give feedback at all. My guild recently recruited someone from off server for my raid spot (tree). The problem? I was given no feedback, no heads-up that there might be an issue with my performance, nothing. I was told there were concerns only after the new guy arrived and I called them on it. Considering I'd been part of the progression team all the way up through 11/12 HM I think I deserved some kind of feedback if not an opportunity to improve. How about an article on getting raid leaders to keep the rest of us in the loop without becoming a pest or a QQ'er?
seamus Jul 19th 2010 6:58PM
I've been healing in this game for over 4 years now. Don't tell me how to heal. You can ask questions about my gem choices and possibly suggest different enchants. Things change in the game and I can't keep up with everything. But don't tell me how to heal. I'm watching their bars. I'm doing my best. It's stressful. If I'm not not up to your standards, re-assign me to raid healing or find another healer or whatever. But don't tell me how to heal.
Stilhelm Jul 19th 2010 8:09PM
Are you doing your job well? If so, you probably won't have many complaints. Are you a holy pally and someone has to explain to you after wipes on an easy boss what beacon of light is and how to use it? If so, it doesn't matter how long you've been playing.
The "I've been doing this for x years, I know what I'm doing" argument is fail. Criticism that amounts to nothing more than "you suck, l2p" is also fail. If someone points out that your healing is less than half the other healers after a wipe, and 40% of your healing was holy shock, or you didn't use beacon like you should, or something specific, then you should listen and learn regardless of the tone in which it was delivered.
Just because you don't like the tone of valid criticism doesn't mean you are automatically justified in disregarding it, getting offended, etc. If you had the ability to look at your data and determine what you are doing wrong yourself, then no one would need to tell you because you'd have already fixed it.
Believe it or not, those who are offering constructive criticism are probably harder on themself than they are on you. For example, on my resto druid, I felt fail on Valithria with only 13k hps because the holy pally was at 20k hps and the resto druid in our mains run usually hits 16k+.
I was disappointed to only hit 6k dps with my rogue in a pug for the patchwerk weekly, until I realized I had no good melee buffs, while another rogue with gear not far under mine was at 3500 (using shiv 30+ times, if you can imagine). If that rogue wanted to raid ICC, his raid/class leader *should* offer constructive criticism, and refuse to allow him to raid until he demonstrates basic proficiency.
seamus Jul 19th 2010 8:25PM
I welcome and seek out advice about DPS. No problems there. But healing? No. Step away.
Two scenarios: guild run or PUG. If it's a PUG then they don't know me. Kick me from the group or shut up because there's no one else available. Live with it and look harder next time.
But if it's my guild, hopefully they know me. They know how long I've been healing. If I've just started, then yeah, sure. Make a few suggestions. Have that other pally suggest a few rotations or look at my spec. Have the priest suggest circle of mending and circle of healing on every cooldown. I'm just starting out, I'm open to help.
But if I'm an experienced healer (which I am) and I'm in my guild run, my safe spot, then be quiet. If I'm not cutting it, if tanks are dying because of me, then believe me I know it. I don't need you making suggestions about how to improve "for the good of the team". I'm healing my heart out and it's sometimes stressful. Healing is a very visible part of the game. Sure, DPS can sit back and settle for their 4th or 5th place and Arthas still dies. But if a healer isn't pulling their weight, the raid quickly knows it. No one feels it more than me. If you truly think I'm not doing my job, find someone else.
Kevin Jul 20th 2010 4:42AM
Thats all well and good for you, specifically, but it doesn't really help the discussion at large. Since you've been healing for 4 years, you're probably good at it and don't warrant any advice being given anyway.
However, this isn't really about whether we should give you, specifically, advice on healing, its about how to offer people advice in general. And just because you've been healing for 4 years and clearly don't need any advice, that doesn't mean that every healer in wow has been healing for 4 years and doesn't need any advice. In fact, I'm sure a lot of healers are new, and almost definitely could use advice.
Xenn Jul 22nd 2010 8:05AM
I've been playing RL for 33 years and I still appreciate advice...
seamus Jul 22nd 2010 8:20AM
Good one! You got me th- Oh. Wait. I'm a bit older than that. :-P
What is this, "pile on Seamus week"?
gamerunknown Jul 19th 2010 7:10PM
Perhaps if you have a healing forum or channel just ask for feedback or make suggestions. Like, someone at some guild somewhere said their healers do "x" and while it probably wont be very effective and if you guys don't like it, no biggy, but if you could try doing "x" (i.e spam chain heal in this case).
tragicdeath Jul 19th 2010 8:10PM
wow this is awesome. I really need to share this with other people so they can get it. Now you just have to figure out the people who really are arrogant and condescending and thinking they can play your class when they've never played the class.
rkaliski Jul 21st 2010 12:02PM
The problem with free advice is that it is worth what the person receiving it paid...nothing.
That said, there is a time and a place for advice. The tone in how it is given make all the difference in the world.
What I would ask this person who posed the question about giving advice, is "How do you take advice?" Also, do you comment on other classes and come off as "THE UBER EXPERT". Look in the mirror first and see how you react when someone questions why YOU do what you do. Is there introspection on your part and the willingness to really look to see if you could improve, or do you come off as, "Of course I didn't make a mistake I am too good for it...Damm warrior tanks, shouldn't be raiding if they can't heal themself.?
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Don't take someone agreeing with you as a sign that they actualy accept your advice. Some people learn quickly in life that sometimes the best thing to say is nothing at all and just shake your head up and down like you agree. Hurts less that way.