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7-21-2010 @ 1:44PM
Why are so many people into CC being brought back into use? I see so many people clamoring for less AoE pulls and such but personally, I like not having to spend so much time slogging through trash to get to the meat (bosses) of a dungeon or raid.
7-21-2010 @ 1:52PM
You can achieve that by just having less trash. If the trash are so insignificant that you can mindlessly zerg them they shouldn't be there in the first place*. A boss without powerful minions just feels like some homeless super hero. Sure they are crazy powerful but you can't take them seriously because no one follows them.* Most raid trash in Wrath has been as threatening as the zombies in Culling of Straholme.
7-21-2010 @ 3:57PM
While Wrath trash certainly wasn't Magister's level insanity here, I think we all have a kind of distorted view on it since we still run through content we overgear it so heavily.Maybe I'm just a lolnubz casual raider, but I remember plenty of places where a botched CC meant a wipe and an AoE-fest wouldn't cut it (Faction Champs/Vezax & Blood Wing trash I'm looking at you).Now I didn't raid in BC, but the overall consensus I heard coming out of it was that there was too much CC, and that people were being turned down because they didn't have the CC required purely by class choice (which is just as bad if you ask me).We all have to remember Wrath and onward is about "bring the player, not the class", and forcing CC, while it makes the instance more challenging, works against that notion. I think in Cata CC is going to stay much like Wrath in that CC will more often than not be a luxury, with some packs that will require it every now and again. CC in trash should test your ability to choose your targets wisely and prioritize, not test your ability to bring a mage or rouge because the trash simply isn't doable without one. A simple downshift in the role and effectiveness of AoE, and a clear distinction between what is to be single-targeted and what can be AoE'd would fix a lot of the problem, but we also have to accept that even the most difficult trash is going to be easy when you outgear it.
7-21-2010 @ 6:01PM
You hear and see the clamoring because people either reminisce about the good old days and remember them more fondly than they were, or they are hardcore elitists that want to show their epeen at the noobcakes that fail and wipe and need to l2p.I have the sinking suspicion that CC will be maybe slightly more needed in 5man heroics, but not all that much more than in wrath. The real challenge will be more trash like what we see now in the blood quarter of icc.
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