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7-26-2010 @ 1:56PM
The new guy to raid is definantly hated on i picked up wow the past year. Got to eighty and wanted to try endgame stuff. When i got my gearscore where it should be i have a 5k gearscore and play on and off yet i have a hard time getting to run 10 man nax people wont take me unless my gs is 5.2 for nax i can do 10 icc with the guild i joined. The patience to explain the fight is not there even in guilds i got told to go watch vids on all the fights before they would let me go. Because they only follow a strategy set by someone else. What happen to playing the game i feel as though i spend more time out of the game researching than in the game playing. So I dont know how its going to work if cata brings new players to the game that get to the end and want to raid. So ya no patience is definently on short supply.
7-26-2010 @ 2:26PM
I think you're running into a few different problems:1) People are assholes. If anyone demands a 5k GS to go to Naxx, then they don't know what they're doing. They just want an easy ride and not have to actually execute proper strategy on the fights. Back in the beginning of Wrath guilds would raid Naxx with an average GS of 3.4k.2) The way the game is designed its nearly impossible to go into a raid boss fight blind. You can do it in 5mans and learn on the fly, but raids take careful coordination. Watching videos is helpful, but every raid boss needs some explanation by the Raid Leader to make sure everyone is on the same page and adjust for the class balance and personal quarks in the raid.3) End of expansion burnout. Wrath is nearly over and everyone is looking forward to Cataclysm. The guilds that are still raiding want to get their progression kills, epic loot, and achievements in before Cata. They don't want to babysit new people at this point, they just want to play. The good news is when Cata comes out the fights will be new to everyone, core class mechanics will have changed, regulars will be refreshed, and there will be a lot more tolerance for new raiders. There is always going to be some out of game research that you have to do, but it shouldn't be more than: *Knowing your class (what talents to take, what stats to look for on items. what rotation to use, etc.). *Knowing which addons to get (boss mod, threat meter, etc.) *Knowing what the abilities raid bosses have and the general flow of the fight (ex. Phase 1 boss does X I avoid Y, Phase 2 Boss summons adds I switch to adds, etc.) The specifics of who stands where, how the boss is going to be moved, which healers have which targets, etc. should be handled by the officers/raid leaders.
7-26-2010 @ 2:31PM
Then what you need is to find a similar group of players to yourself, the kind that doesn't want to know anything about the fights before they see them, the kind that enjoys wiping on almost every boss repeatedly because everyone wants to have their own strategy. We've all ended up with those pugged into our raids from time to time, so there are definitely plenty of them out there for you to make your own guild full of them and have exactly the kind of raids you want to have.BTW, most fights in Naxx now can be brute-forced with 5k+ gearscore as long as a couple people know the mechanics. Tank can't kite Heigan? Well, a 45k tank can be easily healed through the splashes, and the one ranged dps that can dance will eventually kill the boss. Not sure what these spores are for on Loatheb? Don't worry, you don't need them anymore, and heals can't go out of mana now so spamming heals through the 17 sec they don't have any effect won't matter either (and take a disc priest, bubbles can be applied anytime and since they're not healing they also absorb anytime). Lose 3 or 4 on Thaddius? Don't worry, it's probably not a wipe anymore. Can't figure out marks on 4 horsemen? Don't worry, they don't hit nearly has hard as they used to, you can stack 2 marks up to 3 or 4 without dying now, and meteor will no longer 1-shot even the mage with 14k hp that doesn't understand why they shouldn't be standing by themself. Patchwerk is so weak now he's kind of a joke, hatefuls are down from 10k+ to 5k or so.
7-26-2010 @ 2:35PM
Videos are one of the best way to explain a fight. The strat of a fight can be verbally communicated to newer players, but generally in my experience most people cant get a handle on the fight or its mechanics until they experience and visualize the fight. Some fights such as Thadius could be practice before hand, in regard to a guilds personal preference on charge swapping, but that cant be done with all fights like with Mimiron where aspects of the fight are too random. Granted, a fight preferably should always be explained verbally, but a video can reduce the learning curve required to master a fight.
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