Scattered Shots: How to tell your friend he's a huntard

The term "huntard" stretches all the way back to vanilla, when all the gold farmers were hunters (and actually farmed). While usage of the term has died down a bit due to widespread educational programming, it still exists, and we now know more about the huntard than ever before. Sometimes these bad players are just teenagers with parasitic worms burrowing through their brains, driving them slowly mad; other times, they're hillbillies destabilized from imbibing massive quantities of impure corn liquor and generations of profoundly unbiblical procreation.
But more often than not, the classic huntard behaviors aren't directly related to mental acuity. Modern medical science now knows that huntardism is a disease, often infecting newer players who just honestly doesn't know any better. They're trying their best. All too often, they're newer players who got some crazy and foolish advice (usually from other classes) and, not knowing any better, have done their best to follow it. But here is hope. Recent studies show that 90% of huntardism is, in fact, curable.
Join me after the cut as we take a look at how to identify the warning signs that a friend might be a huntard and how to break the news.
Classic warning signs
Remember that we all make mistakes, and we all have different learning curves. A mistake, or even a couple, isn't an indication that someone is suffering from huntardism. That is part of what makes this disease so difficult to diagnose and treat. It's only when we see a pattern of stupidity that we are able to diagnose the condition. The classic huntard warning signs include the following:
- pet running off and pulling random groups of mobs
- hunter pulling aggro
- hunter insisting on pulling groups on his or her own, typically without consulting the tank, certainly without permission
- pet sitting by the hunter's side, unused
- standing in void zones, usually followed by cursing the healer for his or her death and/or posting damage meters
- keyboard turning
- jumping off ledges of all kinds, ignoring the pet pathing ramifications
- Feign Death used reactively, rather than proactively
- use of downranked shots
- doesn't even have a pet out
- at level 80, has not spent talents down to the bottom of any tree; bonus points for going evenly into all three trees
- gemming for strength
- name is a variant of "Legolas"
Huntards in the wild
While the classic warning signs listed above are the most common, they are by no means the only symptoms of this disease. In fact, while there are a limited number of ways or styles of playing a hunter correctly, the huntard can find infinite ways to just plain do it wrong. The mental process that leads to this can be a bit mind-boggling. Here are some actual sightings of the huntard in the wild:
- Hunter spotted with a strangely small pet. It turns out this is the first pet he ever tamed. And this is not like the first pet you or I ever tamed -- this is literally the pet he tamed in the level 10 hunter quest that teaches you to tame a pet. Only instead of returning to the quest giver to complete the quest and learn the Tame Beast skill, he instead decided that the pet was good enough and went on about his leveling life. As he got more and more levels, his temporary quest pet stayed exactly the same level it always was.
- Hunter spotted using Distracting Shot a lot during random heroics. When asked about it, he explains: "Distracting Shot makes them face me, and then I can use my Kill Shot on them."
If you suspect a friend or loved one is a huntard, you need to talk to him about his problem. It is not helping him or anyone else to leave this disease to run unchecked. But the way you go about telling him is very important. You must view it as an intervention. You must be non-confrontational and create a safe, loving atmosphere. If possible, engage the help of guildmates, parents, siblings and significant others (note: only one significant other at a time is recommended).
This is where so many people with good intentions miss the mark. They see someone exhibiting huntard symptoms, but in an akward attempt to cure them, they shout that they are a huntard, a dumbass, a noob, or tell them they suck. Huntardism is a disease of the mind, and it reacts negatively to these kinds of direct confrontational approaches. In extreme cases, it can even aggravate the huntard symptoms and cause an outbreak of new ones.
When approaching a huntard-capable player, remember the three steps: ask, explain, direct.
- Ask Never confront a huntard by assuming that he's doing something stupid (though, of course, usually he is). Always ask him first why he is doing a certain thing. Every now and then, there'll be an actual reason. Maybe he gemmed for strength because he lost a bet and was just doing it for one day. Who knows? But more often, you'll get a unique peek at the crazy that happened in his brain -- and this is good. By understanding the huntard's thought process, you can better understand how to help steer him back on track.
- Explain Once you know why the huntard is doing the strange things he does and you've confirmed that there is no good reason, explain to him the correct way or ways to do whatever he's doing. It's important in this stage to keep things as simple as possible. Don't try to explain a lot of different alternatives, and don't try to expand into other areas he probably needs help in, but also don't just tell him what to do. Explain -- without calling names or being insulting -- what's wrong with the way he is doing it, and explain how this other way works better. Again, if there are multiple better ways, just pick one (the simplest) and get him started on that.
- Direct Finally, if you've done your job well, you now have the trust of this young, impressionable huntard. He's probably experienced a lot of people yelling at him and calling him a noob, but you were different. You took the time to talk to him, you asked him questions and found out what he was doing and why, and then you patiently explained a better way. The final step here is to direct this player to your favorite hunter resource site on the web. This is the "teaching a man to fish" stage. In all liklihood, you don't have time to teach him everything there is to know about being a hunter. Instead, steer him to somewhere he can do his own reading and his own learning at his own pace. Just be sure you're directing him to someplace kind to the unlearned -- never send a recovering huntard to Elitist Jerks!
Scattered Shots is the WoW.com column dedicated to helping you learn everything it takes to be a hunter. See the Scattered Shots Resource Guide for a full listing of vital and entertaining hunter guides, including how to improve your heroic DPS, understand the impact of skill vs. gear, get started with Beast Mastery 101 and Marksman 101 and even solo bosses with some extreme soloing.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 10)
Bellaskye Jul 29th 2010 9:43AM
Great article Frost. And i can see why keyboard turning would be difficult for a hunter, since if you dont use a mouse, you cant do the famous Frosthiem Jump Shot!
thepiratester Jul 29th 2010 2:08PM
Move over Huntards- Deathtards have entered the building =)
Umehte Jul 29th 2010 2:24PM
Just be VERY wary of using the disengage jump shot in Occulus...
dodgeballer2005 Jul 29th 2010 3:22PM
Deathtardism is a worse disease than Huntardism. Luckily it was just a phase in my case. Instead of actually gemming and gearing for intellect or spell power, I actually looked at my starter gear, which is plainly itemized for me. Wow! Didn't see that coming! Starting gear for death knights is perfect as a stat comparison! Holy frijoles! No Intellect OR Spell Power! Then why do I see other DKs using it?
Richard Jul 29th 2010 3:35PM
@thepiratester: actually Deathtards are so over on my battlegroup. Instead all Huntards have moved over to playing Locktards. They can pull pretty much all the same tricks as the old Huntards used to.
As for the article: Frostheim, if a hunter doesn't pull aggro at least once during a boss fight, then they either have an awesome tank or are doing it wrong!!! What you should've said, or at least clarified, is "Hunter not dumping threat and/or pulling a boss all the way to them". Current gearing makes us high damage and high crit, which means high threat. Which means that you can do all the Misdirects and Feign Deaths you want, but you will still top the Omen charts at some point in a raid boss fight. And forget about heroics, Feign Death and Misdirect aren't up often enough to keep from pulling off the tank during the mad dash to reach the next boss. Even later on boss fights in ICC I still have to keep Feign Death handy for when I hit multiple procs (Heroism+both tier 10 procs+rep ring+crit proc off DBW+WFS+Furious Howl+Aimed Shot=Hunter Tanking, and it's not rare to see all of them proccing at the same time)
slvrsrfr073 Jul 29th 2010 4:06PM
@Thepiratester
This.
Deathtardism is much worse than huntardism these days. I once had a blood DK try to join an ICC 10 I was in, with no Abom's might or Hysteria. Hopefully tards of all kinds will die down in Cata.
exogenesis. Jul 29th 2010 5:34PM
Sadly, while I would like to think I'm not a huntard, I do use my directional keys - that, however, is due to the fact that I only have a laptop and my knees, rather than a desktop and a .. well ... desk. Endlessly kiting in endless battlegrounds has made me a little more skilled at touchpad hunting than the idiots who fail at it, though :)
Luckedout Jul 29th 2010 6:03PM
I wasn't fully aware of Huntard-ism until just the past couple of months. My main is a hunter and I'd never really understood where the stigma was until I decided to level a healer using the random dungeon finder.
Holy cow.
Hunters are bad. I almost cringe to see them in my random group nowadays. I had a level 40-ish hunter trying to melee the mobs! You made it to level 40 without realizing how much more efficient your freaking gun is at killing mobs! /sigh /kick
Of course, now that I'm level 60-ish I can't complain compared to all the DK "tanks" that I get grouped with.... use Frost spec for crying out loud! I don't care if your talents are in blood!
Avrador Jul 29th 2010 10:19PM
Steelpaw is completely correct. Keyboard turning is "viable" for PvE in the same sense that gemming for spell pen would be. You could do it, and presumably still kill things, but you'd be gimping yourself and your group for no real reason.
slythwolf Jul 30th 2010 12:45AM
"Hopefully tards of all kinds will die down in Cata."
I think if anything it will get worse. There will continue to be an influx of new players and people trying new classes, but as time goes on there are more and more experienced players who have been playing for longer and longer, and are more and more annoyed by the new players who don't know what they're doing. More and more people will be ruder and ruder to noobs. The more people who are rude and insulting to you about playing, the less likely you are to listen to *anyone* about what you should do.
"use Frost spec for crying out loud! I don't care if your talents are in blood!"
Ah, then surely you mean Frost *Presence*. One cannot use Frost spec and have all her talents in Blood at the same time. ;)
But it's a fair point. When I first started learning to tank on my 80 DK, I had to put a post-it on my monitor reading "WE TANK IN FROST don't be a noob" because I kept forgetting to put up a presence at all when I switched specs. Leveling DKs often don't even notice that they *have* a second (and, later, third) presence. When you are blowing through Outland like a freaking tornado you really don't stop to look at what you've trained.
This is why I encourage all my friends to take skinning on their DKs and spend a couple days leveling it up *right after the start zone* so they can get a little bit of a feel for how to play their toon before they have to do it in front of others of similar level. Skinning because it forces them to actually kill things, unlike the other gathering professions. That way by the time they actually go to Outland they have A) a bunch of money and B) a basic understanding of what their buttons actually do instead of just facerolling the whole time.
Killik Jul 30th 2010 4:19AM
Don't turn the keyboard turners against you! They're slow but mean!!
Ozzard Jul 30th 2010 4:40AM
I keyboard turn due to having Mouse Elbow - a variant of tennis elbow, caused almost 20 years ago by too much programming on a system which didn't use the cursor keys. The effect is that I prefer not to move my right arm to the mouse if I can avoid it - multiple hours of mouse movement can cause pain for several days afterwards.
Hiratha Jul 30th 2010 7:52PM
I will fully admit that mouse turning is better for certain things - some encounters are significantly more difficult (yogg 0 keepers) and there are tricks that require mouse turning (jump shots, jump disengage) - however, as someone who is not physically capable of using a mouse for any significant period of time without suffering a considerable amount of pain (joint disorder) I shall remain proud that even with keyboard turning I can beat many players at skill and precision in movement - and beat their dps while I'm at it. :)
Xantenise Aug 1st 2010 4:20AM
I have a li'l priest healer who just entered Northrend, and in one of my first groups I ended up with a DK tank.
Who was blood spec.
Even with frost presence, he took damage so fast my heals could not keep up. I'd start healing at 75%, and by the time the heal hit it would up his HP to 60%, so naturally I could only keep him healed so long before he died. And that was even if I started healing as soon as he went into combat. I went OOM like crazy, and I had as many heirlooms as you could get, enchanted gear and rare gems from my enchanting/JCing alt.
We wiped our way to the end of Utgarde Keep that day...
jackfinished Jul 29th 2010 9:44AM
Queue the keyboard turners /ragequit.
Eternauta Jul 29th 2010 2:43PM
I'm tired of the keyboard turner bashing in this blog =S
It's a perfectly viable playstyle! (unless you PvP)
flawless Jul 29th 2010 3:09PM
Keyboard turners suffer a very special level of hell.
There are exact instructions on how to escape this hell, written on a board that rotates left or right, staying just out of view of the keyboard-turner. However, that person cannot turn fast enough to keep up with it - it always remains just to the left or right of them.
Kal Jul 29th 2010 4:04PM
I agree with Eternauta, for this type of game mouse turning isn't a must have. Unless you PVP, then you'll slowly turn in a circle while a rogue rofljumps behind you while repeatedly stabbing you in the back.
I know it is common knowledge that keyboard turner doesn't have near the finesse and agility with their character as a mouse turner, and will not be able to do the more fun moves like disengaging forward, this alone doesn't make them a fail player.
Now, this is all coming from the viewpoint of a laptop user that doesn't really have the means to play with a mouse. For all you desktop users with a mouse sitting right beside you that you use regularly in everything else.... I just don't understand not utilizing it in WoW.
Angrypixxel Jul 29th 2010 4:28PM
well im going to go as far to admit that im a keyboard turner but i have a perfectly reasonable explanation for doing it.. i have a laptop with no mouse lol, ive gotten pretty used to my touch pad but its very awkward to move and jump shot with a touch pad if you have ever tried it. but then i discovered the wonderful world of strafing which isnt as effective but a reasonable substitute lol
Steelpaw Jul 29th 2010 4:38PM
Wrong it is never viable it just fails less outside of PVP. It still is terrible in PVE and you could likely improve efficiency/DPS/threat/whatever if you bothered to mouse turn. My girlfriend was a keyboard turning priest for years and after I got her mouse turning she began to get considerably better at healing, avoiding fires and the like. Learning to keyboard turn is like taking the training wheels off your bike and learning there's a lot more cool stuff you can do besides just riding back and forth to the neighbors house.