Drama Mamas: Too sexy for your group
NSFW warning: Video may be slightly NSFW (bikinis and shirtless guys).
Drama Mamas Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are experienced gamers and real-life mamas -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your realm.
Does Right Said Fred hold the answer to the latest WoW drama? This week, the Drama Mamas help a frustrated player who can't figure out why so many of her groupmates seem to feel they're simply too sexy for their groups.
To my dearest Drama Mamas,
In a random heroic I did earlier, I kept getting prompted to kick members of my party. I saw nothing wrong with the way these players were performing, and I always voted against it. After it happened again, I asked my party why there were so many random kick attempts. I was told by a hunter in my party that the tank, who was in a guild with the hunter, was being an ass and that it was funny, after which the tank sent a smiley face in party chat. I did not say anything further and continued healing, only to be kicked a minute later. Oh, did I mention we were in the middle of Falric?
Was I right to question why there were so many kick attempts? Is there anything I could have done to avoid this situation? It seems like kick abuse is happening more and more frequently. It is not uncommon for me to be in a party where a tank or DPS will start a vote simply because that player won a piece of gear they wanted; I have even been in groups where a member has started a vote to kick a player who is pumping out higher DPS.
Under what conditions is it acceptable to kick a player? I myself only start votes when a character is being obscene or offensive, or is just plain bad. I always give the player ample warning in the case of foul language before I vote to kick. With "bad" players, I only vote to kick if they affect the survivability of our group, and always with warning.
If you could clarify some of this for me, I would appreciate it.
Cordially yours,
Sick-of-vote-to-kick-abuse
As you may suspect, a lot of vote-kicking isn't at all about the player who gets kicked. Like Right Said Fred, vote-kickers are making a statement: "We're too sexy for this group -- but instead of heading for greener (and more elite) pastures, we're going to kick you instead." Vote-kicking has become a way for players to establish themselves as the cool kids on the block, the ones who are smarter, better, faster – and far, far too sexy to be slowed down by interacting with other players.
I don't think there's much of a question that kick abuse exists. What's made it such an aggravating situation are the complacent groupmates who agree to a vote-kick without a second thought. ("Well, somebody must have a problem with this guy, so whatever ...") The solution? What you might call the Grow Some Principles.
- Stop the steamroller by sticking your neck out and asking for the reason behind a vote to kick. (Grow some.) If the subject does deserve a vote-kick, perhaps he'll learn something from the experience; if he doesn't, it'll expose who's being the real ass in this situation.
- Don't go along with vote-kicking players who aren't actually disrupting your group. (Grow some.)
- Make a distinction between "bad" players and "unacceptable" players. A player's playstyle or behavior may grate on your nerves, but unless it's actually sabotaging the group's success, handle it. (Grow some.)
- Your line in the sand between what's "bad" and what's "unacceptable" may be different from that of your groupmates. Think it through, stand by your guns and don't be bullied into kicking someone who doesn't deserve it. (Grow some.)
- Realize that a geared, skilled player has no more "right" to a group than a less-geared, less-skilled player. (I didn't say "unacceptably geared or skilled;" discernment, people, discernment.) Grouping isn't about coasting through on the backs of players whose play is so perfectly tuned that the group becomes seemingly effortless (although it's a nice treat when it happens, eh?); it's about adapting to and working with others to accomplish a common goal. If you can't hold up your end of the bargain, don't group. (Grow some.)
As one perceptive WoW.com commenter noted on another post, "If you vote to kick out of reflex or just to clear the box off your screen -- you are lowering your reputation AND your ability to kick in the future." Don't be a pushover. (Grow some.) Oh, and if you run into Right Said Fred trying to bully others from your group -- let him know he's the one who's simply too sexy for your group ... with a nice, sexy boot of his own.
Be sure to keep your end of this interaction classy and calm. While I do think that you should speak up, ask why and explain your position on the matter, I don't think that telling Mr. Cool Guy that he's the problem is going to get you anywhere. Yes, stand up for what you believe in (briefly), but no, don't get into it with Mr. Epeen Comparer. You aren't going to convince him, and any debate is going to just waste everyone's time and energy. You know you're right. We know you're right. The people in your group who aren't part of the No-One-Wants-Me-in-Their-Real-Life-Clique-so-I-am-a-Bully-in-the-Virtual-World Gang know you're right, too. So why belabor the point?
There is a simple and speedy formula to follow when a vote-kick box pops up:
- Do you not know why? Ask.
- Do you agree? Vote yes.
- Do you disagree? Vote no and explain why succinctly and as non-confrontationally as possible.
If things get nasty and you have to leave (voluntarily or not), don't dwell on it. Just re-queue when you can and move on with your fun. Also, put Mr. Elite Inhisownmind on ignore so you never have to group with him again.
Drama buster of the week
It's one of the Drama Mamas' main rules to play WoW by: You can't "fix" other players. If you can't beat 'em ... unjoin 'em. Don't be too stubborn to drop a group that's just no fun. Keep it simple, keep it classy -- and keep it fun.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Drama Mamas






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 7)
Jamie Jul 30th 2010 4:05PM
Any workplace that considers Right Said Fred NSFW aren't exercising their right to be FAB-U-LOUS in a macho way...
phorns Jul 30th 2010 4:06PM
Conversely, you can do as I do and forgo random pugs altogether in favor of guild-only parties. I don't pug and I do just fine. I don't need the heartburn. It's not worth it.
Rubitard Jul 30th 2010 4:13PM
Would it help of Blizzard instituted more stringent instance separations? I don't know what this would do to server load, or in what way other technical factors may prohibit such a thing, but it would seem that certain gear levels may be better suited running with one another than the wide disparity we see today. I say gear levels because it's more objective for a computer to sort than player skill level. This isn't a fully formed thought, but you see where I'm going with this. What do all y'all think?
Lars Petersson Jul 30th 2010 4:40PM
One thing that would help me would be the ability to just block a whole server.
In my battle group, Hakkar is well known for being generally useless at anything and people from Blade's Edge andAzuremyst are, in my experience, more likely to be douchebags....
Icie Jul 30th 2010 5:08PM
The problem with sorting by a gear level is that you can fudge it to an extent. It is already built in the dungeon finder, so that you have to have a certain ilevel before you will get put into the heroic IC ones. Now for the part about fudging it-- I was healing H HOR and the tank was having trouble keeping the mobs under control. I thought "hey he has the GS for this maybe he sucks." Then I inspected him. He was in PVP gear, and when asked he said he could tank in it "just fine." We disagreed with him...
anyways TL:DR gear is a horrible way of judging players
krusty_burger Jul 30th 2010 5:09PM
I'd block a whole server like that. The Nightfall battlegroup is plagued with the Kel'Thuzad server, a group of peole convinced that they are God's gift to WoW. If a random group has a member from KT, 99% of the time it will be a drama filled experience.
However, rare occasions include KT people being helpful, friendly, and curteous.
Sleutel Jul 30th 2010 5:26PM
Without Blizzard going through and marking every piece of gear for what specs it belongs to, there's no good way to determine what kind of gear someone actually has. What if they have a DPS set that's entirely from H-ICC25, but they're queued as a tank in ilvl200 blues? What if they're DPSing in PvP gear? Et cetera.
Brownb Jul 30th 2010 5:36PM
I'd kill for the ability to block people from my whole server. Khaz Modan is full of elitists pricks. Hell, we are the # 1 server on Wowjackass.com. If it wasn't for a handful of people I'd server transfer in a heartbeat
SamLowry Jul 30th 2010 6:06PM
When I saw "more stringent instance separations", I initially thought of an option to choose groups where everyone comes from a different server. Chumminess between players familiar with each other is often irritating, but whenever I find myself ported into a group with two or more guildies, I'm more than ready to /quit.
Yes, I have seen a sudden rise in kick votes recently, and most have come during instances when two or more members knew each other. In one there was a sudden and unexplained vote to kick a healer who had done nothing wrong (it would be nice if you can't initiate a vote without supplying a reason), and when I voted no I got a whisper that I would go next if I didn't support the vote. I refused again but the healer disappeared. Since they had apparently burned up their one chance to kick I guess I was saved at the expense of the healer, and yes, we had to wait around for quite some time for another one to appear, all because they didn't like the shade of the original healer's bark, I suppose.
gamerunknown Jul 31st 2010 1:17AM
As a brief canard, I was in the LFD for FoS hc the first day it came out. I figured it'd be tough but that I was used to healing ToC 25 and whatnot so it'd be at worst, on a par with that.
Enter a group with 4 members of Bloodline EU. As healer I proceed to die on every boss except Ick as far as I can remember, but they were supportive and encouraging. I felt naked without Grid and all my other addons. Eventually we killed everything, including HoR. I d/c'd one boss and they waited around 3 minutes for me to get back and healers aren't exactly rare on this battlegroup. We got "don't look up" the first day it was out too, so I was really happy. If it was a complete PUG even with some nice individuals, I doubt we would have done it.
Jawn Jul 31st 2010 1:48AM
"and people from Blade's Edge and Azuremyst are, in my experience, more likely to be douchebags...."
But i'm not... :( I'm one of those easy-going people that will put up with different play-styles and try to go with it. Even if it's a gogogo warrior tank.
Although we do have idiots on our server. They are loathsome.
Recently, i was in a pugged run for Oculus... at the last fight we had a wipe, because there was no co-ordination in the group. How can the healer heal when people go anywhere? No matter, the healer was kicked. :( I don't recall who was from where, but that was wrong.
theRaptor Jul 31st 2010 2:16AM
This won't matter in Cataclysm because raiders won't be running Heroics. While Heroics may give some Valor points similar to daily frost emblems today the cap on Valor points will mean raiders will hit the cap from raid content.
Of course the whole point of triumph/frost dailies was to get raid geared characters to carry new players/characters through the content so we will see how long that lasts.
SamLowry Jul 31st 2010 3:20PM
Barely twenty minutes ago I had yet another H HoR group break up during the opening waves, yet the first time we wiped--heals said "Lag spike"--it was a dpsing Shammy who was voted out (and I didn't even have a chance to vote "no" before the vote passed). When we wiped the second time, the healer was the first to drop group, without even taking the time to offer up another pathetic "Lag spike" excuse.
Rod Munch Jul 30th 2010 4:15PM
I had a random HC a while ago in UP. A rogue was being a real arse and pulling things from my friend the tank, who is a very skilled and geared tank with the algalon and lich king achievements to prove it. He died and moaned about it for the rest of the dungeon, as well as insisting on doing all the optional bosses including the trophy room even when we were already lining up for Skadir. The guy would not shut up, died a lot and even tried to kick other members he accused of not pulling their weight (or more precisely his). So in the end we did what anyone would do. Kick him as we pull Ymiron. :D
V Magius Jul 30th 2010 4:48PM
We did similar once in a full pug of H-OK. Someone asked to do a full clear at the beginning of the run. Only one person did not want to. Said we could kill the bosses, but he wouldn't help us. We suggest he could leave; he countered with, we could kick him. Short discussion about being a man about it. Killed all the optional bosses, called him a baby, vote kicked him, and some Paladin got some quick frosties. So worth it.
Raioul of Shadow Coundil Jul 30th 2010 5:55PM
@V Magius
That reminds me of my friend who's okay in real life but in game, not so much so. She landed in Halls of Stone with some fresh 80s as well as people who needed badges and they wanted to do full clear. She proceeded to complain and rant about how she doesn't want to do them and if they needed badges or gear they should just que up again. She then got insulted when somebody called her selfish, continued to rant about how she doesn't want to do a full clear and right before the last boss, they kicked her. I'm pretty sure she linked recount a couple times knowing her.
Hobgoblyn Jul 31st 2010 2:32AM
yeh i got heroic cos a while back and a few of the group decided to tell me that im doing the zombiefest achievement instead of asking me nicely. this immediatly annoyed me and i politely said i didnt wanna do the zombiefest achi and could they please kick me and get somebody else as i didnt wanna leave and get the debuff. they refused to kick me, effectively holding me hostage. so i did what i thought was best at the time and killed all the zombies after they had killed the second boss so they couldnt complete the achievement. they soon kicked me then
manda Jul 31st 2010 9:51PM
My fiancee and I were doing a H Gundrak with a bunch of random people a few weeks or so ago (he was tanking, I was dps-ing). We were pretty fresh 80s, with bad gear scores and everything, but it's not like we don't know the instances (we're severe altoholics) or know our roles (this is his... third? tank).
Usually one of the first things we do is look at the GS of people around us, so we can have an idea of what we're in for. We noticed that the GS of the priest healer was something like 5.5k or higher, with some fancy title, so we expected that it would be fine, even if our DPS was lacking a tad.
First thing Mr. Healer does is flash heal me (the Ret. Pally) for a while, while Pally Tank Fiancee pulls. I thought this was a little weird, but he kept on targetting me while the tank was pulling. I dropped a few Holy Lights on him hoping that the healer would notice but it still took a while before he started healing the tank.
We pulled the boss, heals went fine, nobody died, nobody had any mobs on them, it was excellent. We start pulling the next room, and heals start to get sporadic again. Then, out of nowhere, the healer starts ranting about my hubby's low GS and how he sucks as a tank because of it. It continues on til the next boss, and the healer complains about how after the boss switches phases from stone construct to elementaly water monster, it immediately starts heading to him. We tried to explain the mechanics of the fight, but he wasn't listening, and just continued to insult everyone in the group for being bads, telling them to stop being terribad and get gear, learn to so-and-so and whatever.
After the boss was down I told hubbs not to jump down. Warned in /p that the tank was not coming across the water with the group, and that we were going to be kicking the priest for being an elitist asshat. We had a 4 minute cooldown on vote kicking, but that was no problem. The other dps in the group were fine with it. The priest got cranky and started pulling those big troll mobs, thinking he was so geared he could pull it off himself. Hunter feigned death, rogue vanished, leaving the priest to die in his stupidity all alone. He was pissed, but had no one to rez him, so his loss. After the cd was up, we kicked him, and got a healer that was more around our GS, and ended up running a few more heroics together after that.
Wellsee Jul 30th 2010 4:15PM
Weird. The only votes to kick I've seen in a long time have been for AFK/DC people.
Kylenne Jul 30th 2010 4:27PM
Same here. I dunno if it's just my battlegroup, but I've seen a marked decrease in these kinds of shenanigans in the past few months. I can't remember the last time I saw someone get vote kicked who wasn't afk or dc'd.