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8-01-2010 @ 5:51PM
Imo shamans and paladin masteries should change. They are trying to force vareity at the cost of synergy. Everyone knows that Val'nyr was most effective in the hands of a shaman or druid. Depending on how the mastery rating goes pally sheilds will eclispe disc's very early. Why early(it'll probably be 2400 sheilds vs 6400 sheilds) well the fact priests can't sheild you again for 30 seconds and you keep spamming heals on them will make the mastery really strong.
8-01-2010 @ 6:16PM
Priests have more than one shield and also have power word barrier. Also the difference would not necessarily be between a 2,400 shield and a 6,400 shield. Discipline Priest mastery base is 20% more absorption on their shields and divine Aegis starts out at 30% of a crit heal. It would take a very generous mastery curve and very high healing for a paladin to start to match the strength of discipline shields.It's also important to note that our mastery has a 6 second duration shield. Divine Aegis is twice that and you already mentioned the length of power word shield. Except on targets who are going to almost immediately take damage, Holy Paladin mastery will be wasted.
8-01-2010 @ 7:18PM
"Everyone knows that Val'nyr was most effective in the hands of a shaman or druid. ""Everyone knows" nothing of the sort. Val'anyr was most useful in the hands of the most active healer in their preferred role. If you gave it to a tank healer, it increased the effective health of the tank, especially when it was given to a disc priest or paladin that already had shield mechanics they were using to prevent tanks from taking damage in teh first place. I have personally seen tanks survive 4-stack Impales SOLELY because of Val'anyr. If you put it in the hands of a raid healer, all you generally got was more overhealing as hots ticked on people with full health. If Val'anyr saved teh tank but a couple of raid members died to AoE, the fight goes on. If you saved a couple of raiders but the tank died to a big impale, you wiped. You tell me which is more important.Just because the absorption numbers were higher from chain heal or rejuc spam doesn't mean the proc was more effective or better for them, it just means smaller shields got put on more people instead of big shields on one guy. But if the entire raid hinges on that one guy surviving, then Val'anyr should definitely be in the hands of the person keeping him alive.Amazing what you can learn when you think for yourself and don't just parrot what "everyone knows."
8-02-2010 @ 11:19PM
Several guilds gave the weapon to shadow priests as well. :)
8-04-2010 @ 1:56PM
"Just because the absorption numbers were higher from chain heal or rejuc spam doesn't mean the proc was more effective or better for them, it just means smaller shields got put on more people instead of big shields on one guy."No it meant more healing was prevented on the raid than more damage was ever put on that one guy, you said it yourself. What I know is the guild, and myself included, that have a Val'nyr made fights like heroic Twins a joke. And giving it to anyone else was a waste. Val'nyr wasn't like shadowmorne where every joe schmuck can quest to get it and cause their guild relatively no trouble. And frankly if your paladin, or whoever, needed to tank heal with Val'nyr on a regular basis there is something terribly wrong with your paladins or tanks. Ive seen tanks survive 5 stacks of impale on heroic w/o val'nyr. Are you really trying to tell me a druid/shaman with val'nyr spamming sheilds on the raid during infests is better than the paladin spamming sheilds on tanks for soulreaper which is easily healed through? When people say "Everyone knows" because places like EJ and guilds like Paragon or Ensidia do this, then they are right 99% of the time. When I say "Everyone knows disc priests are the most important healers for LK heroic or not" I am not lying. Now Ima go back to farming hLK and getting my alts their frostwyrms.
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