Gold Capped: Finding and keeping farmers

Sometimes, the cheapest way to acquire the quantity of farmed mats you need is to buy them direct from a farmer. Buying them on the auction house is probably more convenient; however, your farmer has to pay the AH cut, and you have to beat your competitors to it. Having a farmer send everything they farm cash on delivery every day is a much more efficient way and has some serious benefits for both sides of the deal. How can you find farmers and convince them to send you goods instead of listing them on the AH?
This is not a one-way deal. You need to make it better for a farmer to ship directly to you than it would be for them to go and post their items for sale. To do that, let's look at the annoying parts of selling farmed goods.
- Unsold inventory If you list 20 stacks of herbs on the AH, it's possible that you'll get undercut and the demand will never outweigh the additional supply, meaning you won't sell your stock. This costs you your deposit fee (which goes up as you make longer auctions).
- Delayed reward Even when your items sell, they don't always sell right away.
- Uncertain prices Prices can vary wildly, and you never know how low you'll have to post stock at to make it move.
- Auction house cut You make 5 percent less than your clients were willing to pay, every time you make a sale.
Finding suppliers
So how do you find farmers? Here are a few techniques I've used with moderate success.
- Look through the posted auctions for the day as well as your purchase history (if your addon supports it, like Auctioneer does) to figure out who you have been buying form.
- Advertise in trade that you're looking for a miner (or herbalist or skinner).
- Go to the zone where whatever you are looking for is farmed, and ask around in general chat if anyone is farming.
Once you find these people, add them to your friends list and get in touch. It's probably better to watch for them for a few days and hopefully catch them online rather than sending an in-game mail immediately, as they're much less likely to ask a question before deciding via mail.
Agreeing to a price
When you talk to farmers, be prepared to answer a few questions. Mostly importantly, talk price. All else being equal, price is the most important piece of this negotiation. You need to negotiate knowing that they're saving 5 percent from the AH cut, but remember that they're comfortable with what they're doing now and you may have to overcome that comfort barrier. Still, just pointing the 5 percent out and offering guaranteed sales for the same price they make now has gotten me quite far with my farmers.
Of course, pricing goes up and down on the auction house, and they may challenge you about that. Generally, I tell them that while time is sometimes true, the average price will always be fair market, and they're just as likely to sell me stock above market price as they are below it. Combine that with the 5 percent savings on the fees, and we're usually in business.
Keeping suppliers
You want to encourage your new friends to send you as much stock as possible, so I have a few techniques I use to aid with this. For starters, put together a file (I use Google Docs) with all their names, as well as some details like what they farm and how much you pay. Now add some place to keep track of how much stock they send you, and add a little room for a note about what they do with their main on Tuesday nights. If it's raiding or PvE, I have found that sending them an thank-you flask for especially large orders has gotten people sending me more product in the long run. I also tip Eternal Belt Buckles, meta gems and enchanting mats.
Also, picking up your cash on delivery mail every day is a big boost for your suppliers, as it allows them to be able to count on when they'll receive the money. Also, if you will be unable to check mail for a few days, remember that COD mail only lasts two days, not the standard 30.
Renegotiation
Sometimes, the market price will change and your costs will need to be lowered. When this happens, remember that it's going to cost your suppliers gold. Make sure to mention that you wouldn't be doing this if it weren't for the AH price change. For this to be worth the risk of losing a good supplier, you probably want to make darn sure it's not just a temporary bubble of stock. Also, be open to your suppliers renegotiating with you if they feel they deserve a higher price.
Another point: The time to try and get some of the 5 percent they're saving in AH fees is not during the initial negotiation, it's after they've made a couple of sales to you and maybe you've sent them a thank-you tip for a large delivery. At this point, you're probably their favorite character in the game, and asking for half of the AH fee you're saving them is most likely to succeed.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Warren Aug 4th 2010 1:07PM
I used to Xmute Epic gems and sell them to a JC. I would just COD them everyday. MAde lots of money till he said that he cant make a profit anymore. :(
Pyromelter Aug 4th 2010 2:05PM
Yep, the gem market is basically toast at this point. Most people who have mains who raid are fully geared and won't be upgrading anymore, it's the summer and an end of the expansion, there's a lot of JC's out there who can easily turn in 50k of honor/week for gems as well as all those triumph emblems laying around. The WG weekly quests along with the epic gems from emblems is causing a huge supply spike, at the same time demand is going way down. You can still do okay with old world farming mats (briarthorn, wild steelbloom anyone?), but both raw mats and finished products are difficult to make profit on at the moment. Will likely be like that until the expansion (when all meta, rare, and epic wotlk gems will be useless. Green wotlk gems will still be in demand due to people leveling JC).
Derrek Aug 4th 2010 2:37PM
I was really happy when I found that my Chaotic Skyflare Diamonds sold for 30g higher than the uncut gems. I got my JC the final legs from 427 to 450 on Chaotics alone. Over the course of about a month, I easily made back all the gold I had poured into leveling my JC and was heading straight for the 20k mark.
Then one week I log on to see the market all volatile, randomly fluctuating up and down like I had never seen before. I still manage to bag a shiny coin from the cut gems, but nowhere near as steadily as before, and often the price was driven down to unreasonable levels.
I blame Halion for toasting my JC market. I don't know if he did or not, but he's the only convenient dragon around so I'll use him as a scapegoat. Besides, he's magenta.
Michael Aug 4th 2010 3:15PM
Well more than likely, once cata comes out all WotL stuff will have a small spike downwards before returning up to a somewhat "rested" state. A lot of stuff will still sell (besides epic gems) but supply will be lower and it will fall in line with the rest of old content mats. The game should have a currency equivalent though, something that has a limited amount of supply, is tradeable to anyone anytime, carries over to each expansion, and most importantly is extremely useful. It would then sell on the market with a constant value. It would be like gold in real life.
Jesse Felt Aug 4th 2010 6:00PM
I still make regular money selling uncut gems, blue quality and epic every week. It's not in the tens of thousands or anything, but I make a decent share. Enough that when I wen t out and picked up the two hodir mammoths and the travelers tundra mammoth at the same time I wasn't broken up about it. I do also tank a GDKP run one of my guildies runs every week though, as well as flasks, elixirs and enchants/mats.
I think at this point it is more about stable income than huge income, come cata everything will blow up for those who get there first :)
Bronwyn Aug 8th 2010 5:11PM
I still make a decent profit from gems, but I also do all my own xmuting and whatnot so there's no buying gems and then cutting and selling- i get all mine from prospecting, my own transmutes, and my own honor.
I'm trying to keep my "stores" of wotlk mats as low as I can but I still have tons and tons of blue gems that I'm cutting and listing as much as I can; The market is indeed volatile but if I am patient I can still make quite a bit, i just have to be diligent about listing, relisting, market timing, etc. Pain in the ass but it's making me money so I guess I can't complain.
Terethall Aug 4th 2010 1:35PM
I recently leveled enchanting on one of my characters, and I'm assuming the standard strategy for making gold is disenchanting items listed for less than their DE value and selling popular scrolls. Is there something I'm missing? Because it hasn't seemed particularly profitable so far.
Moeru Aug 4th 2010 1:42PM
The big money in enchanting is popular enchants like Berserking or Fiery, imo, that sell for a lot more than they're worth. I can make maybe 10 Berserkings with the mats I have atm...it's really not that hard to get, as an enchanter.
Daethar Aug 4th 2010 1:49PM
It's not particularly profitable anymore. Pair the new enchant rolls in groups with the fact that many enchanters offer their services in trade for free (tips appreciated of course), and there really isn't that much to sell. Since there is no appreciable deposit (it used to be nothing, now it is 1 silver) on enchant scrolls and mats, undercutting is ruthless. I have found quite often people willing to sell an enchant scroll for less than what the mats sell for on the AH, because it "cost them nothing" to just run a dungeon and D/E their drops.
The BEST moneymakers are rare enchants, and pre-wotlk mats. If you have a recipe that nobody else has, that's your money-maker right there. Blade ward and blood draining would be perfect.
Also, watch for a while and see what recipes sell. Even though there may be no scrolls of, say, unholy weapon on the AH, that doesn't mean people are looking for it. To sell scrolls, you have to practically be the only one who can make it, because if someone ever wants an enchant it's really far too easy to just buy the mats and say "LF Enchanter for [name of enchant], my mats" and get the work done for free.
Ryan Svoboda Aug 4th 2010 2:04PM
As an enchanter, I've found the easiest way for me to earn gold from the profession is to just sell the enchanting materials themselves. I buy greens from the AH for less than their average disenchanted value, and disenchant the items and post the mats. Its not much but I can make 200-500g per day on my server for maybe 10 minutes of effort.
Terethall Aug 4th 2010 2:38PM
@Daethar
As I was leveling the profession, I ended up getting somewhat familiar with the markets for all the low-level enchanting mats, and I have to say I was shocked by what Large Brilliant Shards (and any other low-level mats) go for on my server. I've been working on Loremaster, so I've had quite a few level 60 blues to DE and I can get 10g per shard if I time my listings right. It certainly makes farming Strat for Rivendare's Charger a lot more profitable. I expected there to be more money in DEing high level gear, but it looks like I may have to expand my search to low-level gear when looking at average DE value.
This profession marks my first foray into using the AH heavily, so I'm currently not using anything like Enchantrix (if that addon's still around), but that will probably help improve the speed at which I can make money with enchanting, too.
Thanks to everyone who responded for the helpful comments.
Methuus Aug 4th 2010 2:48PM
And you have to consider the timing. We're well into the pre-expansion doldrums now so WoW economies are slowing down on all fronts now.
The last pre-expansion raid content is out and the last big content was months ago, so any business that relies on raiders as the main consumers is naturally going to slow down. Not to mention all the players taking breaks until Cataclysm.
Actually, that would be a good article for Berntsen to do, "Best Practices in a Slowing Economy".
spamofchaz Aug 4th 2010 3:44PM
I still make ~1000g a week profit buying cheap greens and DE'ing them. The trick, as Daethar states, is selling old content mats. I sell anything, from strange dusts up to greater cosmics. Obviously, you don't make *as much* gold with strange dust as with infinite dust, but all those pieces of silver add up over time.
Plus, I second Methuus' suggestion, and article on making gold late in the expansion/slowing economy would be interesting.
Umbra Aug 4th 2010 4:33PM
I was unable to make much gold with enchanting but recently another auctioneer started singlehandedly keeping the scroll prices at 400% of what they were. If your Reading this easytarget, please, please keep up the good work.
Daethar Aug 4th 2010 5:46PM
@Terethall (and other enterprising enchanters)
Large brilliant shards are indeed valuable, because not only are they used for some low level pvp enchants, but are also needed for the Insane in the Membrane achievement. Seeing as the instances that yield brilliant shards are easily farmed, they are a decent target. Go do runs for Rivendare's mount, and get some money on the saide
Darthbragg Aug 4th 2010 1:41PM
If you're an ore farmer on Stonemaul I would love to hear from you on Warrat. I was just saying today I can't find any ore these days.
Twizzy Aug 4th 2010 2:40PM
If you are looking for a herb or ore farmer on US Dark Iron Horde, I'm your guy. Just send Twizzy an ingame mail and I will be happy to take your order
Bloodlustnow Aug 4th 2010 3:48PM
One thing i have found with selling scrolls of old world rare enchants like fiery, agility, or spellpower is to sell them on a bank alt. when i used to post them on my main i would get a dozen or so whispers a day from people asking if i would do the enchant for them with their mats instead of buying the scrolls off the auction house. once i started having a lvl 1 bank toon start selling them i was able to move them pretty easily, and without hassle.
Kormex Aug 4th 2010 7:22PM
I came on today to buy some herbs, and discovered there was only a few stacks of each herb and they were selling for 40g a stack.
I'm starting to doubt the existence of farmers on my server :(
brenainn.simpson Aug 4th 2010 8:48PM
i like how he said 'farmer' instead of 'botter'