Know Your Lore: Nathanos Marris, pg 2

As for the Forsaken, although Nathanos would have been an excellent, logical choice to train the new legion of Forsaken hunters were he still alive (and undead), they aren't without a teacher. Sylvanas Windrunner was, after all, the Ranger General of Silvermoon -- and after she regained her body she became the first dark ranger. According to the RPG books, dark rangers aren't quite like the hunters and rangers we know in WoW -- rangers themselves are highly attuned with nature, and death severs that connection, so the dark rangers turn to shadow magic rather than the natural magic of the wild in order to accomplish what they used to do.

So we have a few working theories about the forsaken hunters -- Nathanos may have trained a few individuals during his time as Champion of the Banshee Queen, or perhaps the dark rangers have started taking non-elven undead under their wings. There's also a third, much more grim possibility, and it lies with another organization that has roots in the former kingdom of Lordaeron -- the Scarlet Crusade.

The three dreadlords worked with Sylvanas and helped her regain her body and attempt her revenge on Arthas -- but what they did not expect was that Sylvanas would then turn on them. She persuaded Varimathras to join her side, had him kill Detheroc as a show of his allegiance, and then attacked Balnazzar's base, where Varimathras "killed" Balnazzar when he would not join sides with the Forsaken. Balnazzar escaped, but he swore his vengeance. When the Scarlet Crusade invaded Stratholme, he possessed their leader in order to enact that vengeance.
It didn't take much to push the overly zealous members of the Silver Hand to form the Scarlet Crusade -- an organization devoted to wiping out the undead. And it took even less pushing to cause the organization, formed under what was though to be a noble cause, into performing unspeakable acts in the name of "justice." The Scarlet Crusade turned from an organization devoted to destroying the undead, to an organization that killed anyone and anything on sight -- after all, if a lone human were wandering the forests of the Plaguelands, it could be and should be assumed he was in actuality an undead, just freshly raised.

Over the course of World of Warcraft, the Scarlet Crusade has been finding themselves slowly losing their war, and by the time Cataclysm comes into play, the Scarlet Crusade is a shell of its former self. Few members remain, and those that do remain are quickly dying out. The Forsaken may have taken this opportunity to raise several of these dead former Scarlet Crusade hunters and used them to train hunters of their own. A grim fate for those once fervently seeking to eliminate all undead -- to become the very thing you spent your life trying to destroy. But as we've seen from many of the spoilers surrounding Cataclysm -- it's a grim expansion.
As for the human race, and their sudden interest in the hunter class -- one thing to keep in mind with the humans of Stormwind is that they've had a fairly shaky history as of late. The kingdom of Stormwind was utterly destroyed, and then rebuilt -- it could very well be that there simply was greater need of other tasks than hunting. Or, given the dissolution of the Scarlet Crusade, it could be that some former members have left the ranks and joined the Alliance whole-hearted, and agreed to teach others in the ways of the hunter as a sort of penance for the atrocities they committed while serving the Scarlet Crusade.

Regardless, the hunter class is relatively easy for roleplayers and storytellers to justify if needed -- the class choice isn't quite as far of a stretch as previously thought, unlike other race and class combinations that have left people mystified. Combinations like the noble tauren, and their sudden interest in paladins and priests. Next week, we'll take a look at the "holy cows" and how they fit, along with a dive into tauren history -- or what exists of it.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 5)
Jack Miles Aug 8th 2010 9:48PM
I heard in Cataclysm the alliance will Kill Him Off For Real; coz, y'know, the last time didn't count. Nevermind my Gorewood Bow.
eyeball2452 Aug 9th 2010 12:11AM
The funny thing is that I've never encountered him as horde, only as alliance. As always, great article and it brings back memories of those awesome quest chains in EPL.
Sedna Aug 9th 2010 11:22AM
I know, I'm really going to miss that SOB. Maybe I just watched him play fetch with his dogs too many times, but I liked him. It was somehow deeply refreshing to have a Forsaken character who wasn't about the subterfuge and poisons- he was very honest, in his effed-up way. Plus he was a bad ass.
Going to have to take some pictures with him before he disappears from live servers.
Quich Aug 8th 2010 8:51PM
I don't think any race needs much justification for getting the hunter class. Who can't learn to shoot a gun and tame a beast?
Gnomes I can understand not getting the class, but that's because they aren't physically able to pull a bowstring back properly, it warps around them when they try. Stubby arms do not an archer make.
Jack Miles Aug 8th 2010 9:50PM
Yes, but gnomes make the best goddamn masksmen on azeroth or draenor. Ever try to attack Toshley's Station in BC? Gnome hunters wouldn't get pets, but they wouldn't NEED pets.
I think the UD need a good justification as to why they're getting hunters, but I always assumed that humans had them anyway, lorewise; there are enough human hunter NPCs.
Jack Miles Aug 8th 2010 9:52PM
Marksmen, and I want an edit button
KJP Aug 8th 2010 10:34PM
Gnomes could overcome that limitation. Certainly if goblins can, they can. The real reason gnomes aren't hunters has nothing to do with size.
The problem is the pets. Animals just aren't reliable enough to the gnomish way of thinking. Sure, machines fail, but you can always come up with a reason for what happened. With animals, the reason for unexpected results, as often as not, is, "it just decided to do something else". That's something the gnomes just can't cope with. Mechanical parts can overheat, freeze, break, rust, any number of things, but they never just "decide to do something else".
Also there's the fact that animals don't lend themselves to tinkering. You can take one apart, but then you can't put it back to together and expect it to work.
Cambro Aug 9th 2010 1:17AM
Actually while I don't see Gnomes inclined to do actual hunting, it would make perfect sense. And who needs a bow when you can use a crossbow? Or even better, a GUN!
Eddy Aug 9th 2010 3:16AM
I simply think gnomes don't care much for living creatures. Why tame a real one when you could more easily summon a demon, an arcane elemental or build a robotic one? Then you won't have to bother feeding it or remembering to keep it alive. It just strikes me as an effort that requires care and patience and quiet.
Then again, Goblins get hunters... so I'm not sure how far that logic extends. Though I could see a Goblin being able to do anything it sets its mind to if there's a financial payoff (say, cheaper repair bills?) in ways that maybe Gnomes wouldn't be as swayed by.
Jamie Aug 9th 2010 5:11AM
@Eddy:
While they don't care for _living_ creatures in the traditional sense, I could easily see at least in lore sake a mechano-hunter class from Gnomes.
In which they have the usual characteristics of a hunter except replace their animal with a mechanical counterpart, imagine a mechanostrider or mechanical squirrel, the gnomes have a wealth of different creatures they could mimic with their intelligence.
Of course, it would never happen in game unless Gnome Hunters could get a racial to "tame" mechanicals.
And I'm pretty sure they could overcome the bow weakness with a steampowered mechanical gauntlet or simply use guns, warrior gnomes have been using standard ranged weapons for years with little problem.
Oh boy does that sound good!
Juzelle Aug 8th 2010 9:01PM
I was always fond of Nathanos. I thought the idea of a human-turned-forsaken ranger lord was pretty faboo back in vanilla.
However, regardless of lore, unless humans & forsaken get some pretty AMAZING new racials in cataclysm, they will have the worst hunter racials, although ahead of the curve compared to blood elves and tauren, especially when compared against Dwarves, Orcs, or Trolls and their OP-ness.
I'm sure people will still play them regardless, at least until they start worrying about min-maxing dps. Great article :3
feniks9174 Aug 8th 2010 9:48PM
Its the PvP hunters that will flock to the Human and Forsaken races. Their racials are pretty worthless for PvE, but ridiculous in PvP.
Artificial Aug 8th 2010 10:23PM
"...they will have the worst hunter racials, although ahead of the curve compared to blood elves and tauren..."
So by "worst" you mean "not worst"... XD
Eisengel Aug 10th 2010 8:44PM
I don't know about you, but I think Cannibalize is a great racial for pretty much any class while questing, especially in undead- and humanoid-heavy Tirisfal and Silverpine.
brian Aug 8th 2010 9:21PM
I was always of the opinion that he had merely feigned death during the Alliance kill quest, as you don't take his head or anything. After all, if a normal hunter can fool someone into thinking that they've died, what about something that was practically dead already?
Plus, Sylvanas got a free pass. I'd think she'd want to do the same for her champion. Though, maybe the only reason the Valkyr were able to do it for her was the "bond" they spoke of. Or the fact she was freshly killed, either way.
Nathanos would make an awesome subject for the hunter manga, but it's probably going to end up being Anduin. Now that I think about it, though, a half-and-half manga, one part Nathanos, the other Anduin would be pretty cool.
Vodkamartini Aug 8th 2010 9:32PM
CARTEL NETWORK NEWS GOBLIN: "You thought they were nerfed, you thought they were on the decline -- but the number of hunters in Azeroth is about to get a shot in the arm soon, as a record number of Forsaken and Humans are signing up for permits for the upcoming season."
CNN GOBLIN: "Already the Undercity is abuzz with flies from LIVING animal feces and the sightings of potential new Dark Rangers, going under such nom de guerres such as Deadnewgent, Elmorbidfud and Calaveras. Some are willing to talk of the adventures, the oddity that they would train survival to someone who has obviously failed at such before, and the troubles of teaching a pet not to mistake them for dead game. We met these two seasoned Forsaken hunters in the southern park district of the Undercity."
UNCLEJOHNBO: "Well, I was telling Neth here -- ROACH! (BLAM) - with the plague gone and the wild - SQUIRREL (BLAM!) -- wildlife returnin', there's gonna be plenty of stuff to be trappin' and shootin' soon."
NETH: (missing his lower jaw) "Yhrrf, pffy ak ghjm."
UNCLEJOHNBO: "You got that ri - LOOKOUT IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US! (BLAM BLAM BLAM)"
NETH: "Gfff ahtz."
CNN GOBLIN: This pair of undead lovebirds, Icky and Maulory Nosh, gave up being assassin rogues for the opportunity to be hunters, as it suited their personalities better.
ICKY: "Why'd we become hunters? Well, the Cataclysm's coming!"
MAULORY: "I see angels, Icky, they're coming down for us from heaven ... and I see you ridin' a big undead horse, and you're whipping 'em, and they're spitting and frothing all long in the mouth, and they're coming right at us (cocks shotgun, aims). And I see the future, and there's no death, cuz you and I, we're angels."
ICKY: "I love you, Maul!"
MAULORY: "I know you do baby."
CAMERAMAN: "That's so sweet. But couldn't a rogue survive the upcoming ... Cataclysm?"
ICKY: "(Cocks shotgun) See, I realized my true calling in life."
CAMERAMAN: "What's that?"
ICKY: "Shoot man, I'm a natural born killer!" (Pair shoots the cameraman, then loud slurping and munching noises ensue off camera).
CNN GOBLIN: "Unlike the Undercity, Stormwind is more hush-hush about the recent development. Officials for both the King and SI:7, Stormwind Intelligence, declined to comment; however, a gnome tinkerer with the group Wonkyleaked, promises a full disclosure of the Human hunter organization later this week. The citizens of Stormwind, as usual, are up-to-date on the new development."
HUMAN PEASANT: "What, work? Oh, they're hunting. M'Kay. Oh allright."
CNN GOBLIN: "Coming after these messages from our sponsors -- Warlocks, Dwarves and Tauren give their opinions on the 'Sparklepony' fad that's hitting the streets of Azeroth; a Dalaran elven beauty store is pushing to get night elf women to wear green nailpolish; a Draenei claims to see an image of a Naaru in a mana biscuit; and there's new information on who killed the wife of a Barrens Orc."
feniks9174 Aug 8th 2010 9:56PM
Win, sir.
So very much win.
Kylenne Aug 8th 2010 10:05PM
I would watch this news all day long.
MusedMoose Aug 8th 2010 10:13PM
If I could give you four stars for that, I would. Maybe even five.
brownyboi Aug 9th 2010 7:24AM
Oh, you so need a blog with this sort of stuff! Very cool.
Redneck zombie hunters with shotguns ftw!