Know Your Lore: Nathanos Marris, pg 2

As for the Forsaken, although Nathanos would have been an excellent, logical choice to train the new legion of Forsaken hunters were he still alive (and undead), they aren't without a teacher. Sylvanas Windrunner was, after all, the Ranger General of Silvermoon -- and after she regained her body she became the first dark ranger. According to the RPG books, dark rangers aren't quite like the hunters and rangers we know in WoW -- rangers themselves are highly attuned with nature, and death severs that connection, so the dark rangers turn to shadow magic rather than the natural magic of the wild in order to accomplish what they used to do.

So we have a few working theories about the forsaken hunters -- Nathanos may have trained a few individuals during his time as Champion of the Banshee Queen, or perhaps the dark rangers have started taking non-elven undead under their wings. There's also a third, much more grim possibility, and it lies with another organization that has roots in the former kingdom of Lordaeron -- the Scarlet Crusade.

The three dreadlords worked with Sylvanas and helped her regain her body and attempt her revenge on Arthas -- but what they did not expect was that Sylvanas would then turn on them. She persuaded Varimathras to join her side, had him kill Detheroc as a show of his allegiance, and then attacked Balnazzar's base, where Varimathras "killed" Balnazzar when he would not join sides with the Forsaken. Balnazzar escaped, but he swore his vengeance. When the Scarlet Crusade invaded Stratholme, he possessed their leader in order to enact that vengeance.
It didn't take much to push the overly zealous members of the Silver Hand to form the Scarlet Crusade -- an organization devoted to wiping out the undead. And it took even less pushing to cause the organization, formed under what was though to be a noble cause, into performing unspeakable acts in the name of "justice." The Scarlet Crusade turned from an organization devoted to destroying the undead, to an organization that killed anyone and anything on sight -- after all, if a lone human were wandering the forests of the Plaguelands, it could be and should be assumed he was in actuality an undead, just freshly raised.

Over the course of World of Warcraft, the Scarlet Crusade has been finding themselves slowly losing their war, and by the time Cataclysm comes into play, the Scarlet Crusade is a shell of its former self. Few members remain, and those that do remain are quickly dying out. The Forsaken may have taken this opportunity to raise several of these dead former Scarlet Crusade hunters and used them to train hunters of their own. A grim fate for those once fervently seeking to eliminate all undead -- to become the very thing you spent your life trying to destroy. But as we've seen from many of the spoilers surrounding Cataclysm -- it's a grim expansion.
As for the human race, and their sudden interest in the hunter class -- one thing to keep in mind with the humans of Stormwind is that they've had a fairly shaky history as of late. The kingdom of Stormwind was utterly destroyed, and then rebuilt -- it could very well be that there simply was greater need of other tasks than hunting. Or, given the dissolution of the Scarlet Crusade, it could be that some former members have left the ranks and joined the Alliance whole-hearted, and agreed to teach others in the ways of the hunter as a sort of penance for the atrocities they committed while serving the Scarlet Crusade.

Regardless, the hunter class is relatively easy for roleplayers and storytellers to justify if needed -- the class choice isn't quite as far of a stretch as previously thought, unlike other race and class combinations that have left people mystified. Combinations like the noble tauren, and their sudden interest in paladins and priests. Next week, we'll take a look at the "holy cows" and how they fit, along with a dive into tauren history -- or what exists of it.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 5)
Al Aug 9th 2010 1:56AM
They eat dead things, not socialise with them. Given how freaked out they're supposed to get around ghosts, they'd run a mile from a zombie.
MisterRik Aug 9th 2010 2:38PM
Hey, lions sound like baseball players — a hitter with a .300 (30%) batting average is considered a good hitter, despite the fact that he fails 70% of the time :D
Powatodapeople Aug 9th 2010 6:58PM
After reading this and a few spoilers about that quest chain in tirisfall glades, I think it would be pretty interesting if sylvannas raised nathanos from the dead with that whole "raise dead guys because we can't procreate" deal. garrosh tells her not to, but being the rebel she is, she would most likely take her own route. since nathanos was one of her favorite rangers and she named him the champion of the forsaken, I think it's pretty plausible that she would want to raise him, right?
Leviathon Aug 8th 2010 11:29PM
It's too bad we haven't seen or heard anything of Nathanos in Cataclysm.
ticklesme Aug 8th 2010 11:30PM
Excellent! I did not know anything about Nathanos until now.
Died a few times when I was still leveling, by accidentally getting too close to him while getting the quest items lol
Zhiva Aug 8th 2010 11:48PM
Regarding Blightcaller's absence in Cataclysm: http://community.livejournal.com/warcraftsues/321553.html
Alchemistmerlin Aug 9th 2010 12:00AM
I would also like to point out that there is a horde-side quest right at the beginning of Wrath in Howling Fjord that deals with forsaken hunters.
oowxam Aug 9th 2010 12:17AM
Yeah, I always thought the Blightcaller was a cool guy...
Because he was a Forsaken. A Champion of the Forsaken.
Regarding hunter training...
I think Blightcaller training hunters would be AWESOME. He's definitely the perfect guy for the job, but...
That whole Scarlet Crusade Idea is great! That would be incredibly awesome, undoing what they did in Life, and merging two of the most zealous and hateful factions in the game :D.
icepyro Aug 9th 2010 12:25AM
It always kind of surprised me that humans weren't already hunters. Although looking back, it is obvious that this is projection of humans of this world.
Humans in Azeroth have always been classes stereotypically based on their fanaticism and a lifestyle valuing their own might of muscle or brain and have little to nothing to do with nature prior to Cataclysm. It becomes more obvious every day that humans descended from Vrykul.
As such, it's still slightly stretching it that either would get hunters with the forsaken actually being more plausible with dark rangers returning to teach. With the exception of Nathanos, the others mentioned here more closely resemble warriors that have pets than hunters. We see humans with pets, but that doesn't equate to hunters in this game. At least Wolf Master Nados in SFK can call "pets", though he's now worgen.
Paciphae Aug 9th 2010 12:42AM
Dumb question: If humans have never been able to hunt before, how did they get any meat to eat before they met the dwarfs and gnomes?
Murdertime Aug 9th 2010 1:01AM
They didn't have any meat.
Just Pumpkins.
Roast Pumpkin. Fried Pumpkin. Pumpkin Pie. Pumpkin Jam. Pumpkins carved into the shape of actual animals.
Also, I think they have some cows somewhere. Which I believe humans regard as a mobile form of pumpkin.
Millenia Aug 9th 2010 1:04AM
tl;dr: human and forsaken hunters didn't appear from nowhere. They were always there; you just couldn't play them.
Humans always could hunt animals for a food source.
The reason that humans have not had the Hunter classes can be 'justified' in lore through their magical abilities (shut up, you know they use magic, just like rogues) like the Aspect of the Animal abilities, or Arcane Shot, or the like.
It can also be due to humans (and gnomes) not being as close to nature as the elves and tauren, but that doesn't excuse the Ironforge/Thaurissan dwarf hunters, who revere nature.... only when they can mount it on their wall, or pour sauce on it on a table.
However, my friend says that dwarf hunters are mountaineers, the rough and tough survivalist type of person. But this would not excuse humans and gnomes lacking the hunter class - even if gnomes don't like to rely on animals, they can be justified lore-wise as only being marksmen, much like how forsaken are justified as shadow priests, but game mechanics allow them to spec into any tree.
Of course, we all should know it's more of a gameplay reason. While certainly Blizzard did not expect WoW to be a rousing success when it first began, it makes sense to not give every race -everything-, or else there'd be even less reason to buy an expansion. Sure, we both know you (the reader) will, but in a business setting it makes sense to go "oh, you want human hunters? Buy Cataclysm!" Not to mention humans would have an imbalanced amount of classes compared to the others - though at this point Blizz doesn't care all that much, since trolls and dwarves get the most combinations (to encourage them to be played, I think), and gnomes get the least despite being decent sharpshooters.
Sorry for the rambling.
icepyro Aug 9th 2010 1:39AM
There is a difference between being a hunter class and hunter profession. Think about cooking: where do you get the meat if you're not a hunter?
You can train a pet, you can shoot a gun/bow, but can you commune with nature in a way that empowers those shots and abilities to use magic? There are humans with pets and gnomes can make arrows their warriors can use, but again, that doesn't mean that they revere nature in any way that would empower them to use its magic for their benefit.
@Millinea
Dwarves revere nature quite a bit actually. They hang it on their wall because it's an achievement, not just a trophy. I can kill a deer without thinking twice, but a bear with a crappy gun? Now there's a challenge! Their friendliness to all the races (as long as there is ale involved, amirite?) also bleeds into a very deep understanding of nature and sharing with the land and its creatures. In short, dwarves are far more suited to be hunters than even blood elves imo.
And since hunters as a class (not a profession) do rely on their pets, even marksmen, (there is no playing any spec without a pet), you can't just let gnomes in like undead priests.
Vodkamartini Aug 9th 2010 2:13AM
One thing nagging me: the gnomes with the guns in Blades Edge, a military camp spoofing Starship Troopers. Are they hunters or some other class?
Faceless Minion Aug 9th 2010 2:17AM
"Not as much a stretch as was originally thought?"
How in the world is hunter a stretch for ANY race? Hunter/gatherer is kinda the first class that any actual IRL race has, after all. >.>
scimitar Aug 9th 2010 2:34AM
it is possible that with the valkyr now being a part of sylvanas' army she would be able to bring back nathanos in order to instruct the forsaken in the ways of the hunter
Omegan01 Aug 9th 2010 3:26AM
"Perhaps he does, perhaps not -- regardless, for all purposes, Nathanos Blightcaller is dead. In Cataclysm he is nowhere to be seen and the Marris Stead lies deserted, save for a few of his beloved blighthounds that still patrol the property. Nathanos himself? He is referred to as the "former occupant" in a quest, but that's all we hear of him."
Good riddance. I never got why so many people swooned over the guy. He was one more foul-mouthed, angry, dismissive, "hurf-hurf-hurf-imma-tuffguy" questgiver in a faction that was already chock-full of them. Every time one of my Horde toons turned in a quest for him I wanted to hop over to Alliance and beat his ass.
Killik Aug 9th 2010 6:11AM
I actually like that kind of questgiver. It implies they have some sort of inner life beyond just passively waiting to thank returning players.
Omegan01 Aug 10th 2010 7:40PM
That kind of attitude isn't always appropriate, though. For a guy like Overlord Agmar, it makes sense that he's short and gruff and a bit obnoxious. He's got a fortess and a legion to run and we're pestering him with our little errands.
Blightcaller, though, he's standing out in the middle of a wasteland, doing nothing, totally alone except for a pair of zombie hyenas. What's he so preoccupied with?
And the way Blizzard wrote his quest dialogue just got on my nerves. There's a difference between 'gruff military man' and 'obnoxious douchebag' and Blightcaller was firmly in the latter camp.
"You killed a small army of demons and wild animals? OH GOOD FOR YOU."
"You shot up an enemy camp and got the documents I needed to cover my ass? OH GOOD FOR YOU."
"You killed a giant vampire bat I never managed to bring down myself? OH GOOD FOR YOU."
"You killed a huge elite maggot that could swallow a man whole? WHAT YOU WANT A PRIZE?"
"You ventured into the heart of Scourge territory, attacked an occupied city, killed powerful representatives of the undead and took down a huge abomination? OH GOOD FOR YOU."
Blightcaller was the kind of questgiver that made my Forsaken want to wring his neck, plant an axe in his face, and tell him to go kill that Scarlet chick himself if he thought he was so leet.
lolikitty Aug 9th 2010 4:14AM
I'm play a Forsaken who's very loyal to her race and to her queen ( /hides from Rossi's glare) and am very sad to hear that Nathanos will not be bossing us around come Cata. I'll go pay my respects to his former house and see if his hounds need to be fed (doubt it).
Thank you for this column Anne, great as always.