Know Your Lore: The Old Gods part three -- Yogg-Saron

To pick up a thread from our original Old God post, we now have a name for the entity that may or may not be an Old God in the Twilight Highlands (and I'm gambling that it is): Isorath. This demotes Soggoth the Slitherer to "really, really powerful servant" status, but it's worth keeping in mind that Great Cthulhu himself was not an Elder God, merely a Great Old One, and perhaps we're about to discover a similar division in Warcraft's lore. We now almost surely know the names of three Old Gods; it's too soon to call.
However, that's for the future. This week, we turn our eyes to The Beast With A Thousand Maws. Tremble before the God of Death! If you've run Ulduar, you've probably run into the handsome fellow above, who dwells therein. Its blood is power, its thoughts madness; few can resist the power of the lucid dream.
We discussed the basics of the Old God/Titan conflict in previous posts, but to give a general overview, it can help to visualize them as two opposing ideologies. The Old Gods like everything to be a roiling, disorganized mess. They gleefully enslave and direct elementals into pitched combat for no other reason than their own amusement. They keep worlds they infest at a constant tipping point, neither letting them be destroyed utterly nor ever allowing any kind of permanent order to be established. The Titans, on the other hand, absolutely love order. They can't get enough of it. They go around the cosmos constantly imposing it on every planet they can get their hands on.
You can see why these two groups didn't get along. In the smackdown between the cosmic Felix Ungers and the cthonic Oscar Madisons, it turned out that the Titans are not being played by Tony Randall. Despite the enormous, sanity-shattering power of the Old Gods, the Titans just wanted it more (and have a fair amount of enormous power themselves), and in the end, they and their servitors prevailed over the Old Gods and their armies of enslaved elementals, elemental lords and sinister servants like Soggoth. Save for one Old God who managed to fight a Titan to a standstill (at least according to his autobiography, the Prophecies of C'Thun), the other Old Gods were bound up in the world they'd infested and left to rot by their Titan enemies, due to a general belief that it would take destroying the entire planet to get rid of them.
Not that the Titans were entirely unwilling to go that far, but they figured they'd give containment a shot first.
In the eons before the Sundering, Azeroth was blessed with one continent, Kalimdor. At the center of that great continent stood the Well of Eternity, created by the Titans for some great unspecified purpose and imbued with the ability to draw mystical power directly from the depths of the Great Dark Beyond. (The Great Dark Beyond is basically the black void of space surrounding Azeroth and other worlds, as opposed to the Twisting Nether, a place of demons and other fel intelligences where the ruined remains of Outland currently reside.) On this ancient continent, the Titans left behind many structures, facilities built to shepherd Azeroth and its development. Some were also built as prisons. One such facility was the enormous city-complex known today as Ulduar. And within Ulduar, chained at its very heart with chains made of pure cosmic matter, lay the dread Yogg-Saron.
The dread Yogg-Saron
Unlike C'Thun, Yogg-Saron appears to have named itself. If not, no records remain to tell us who named it. Also unlike its peer, Yogg-Saron seems to have given itself a portfolio of sorts, declaring itself to be the Old God of Death. Trapped without recourse to the Well of Eternity, Yogg-Saron seemed to have slept in confinement for countless eons.
"Seemed" is the operative word there, because the beast with a thousand maws was anything but quiescent during its durance vile in Ulduar. We don't as yet know how much of what Yogg-Saron shows those who oppose it is truly accurate and how much the beast itself has to do with those visions, but we do know that it is possible and even likely that Yogg-Saron was one of the Old Gods who helped to corrupt Deathwing. (Indeed, given his title of The Lucid Dream, Yogg would seem a very likely candidate.) Yogg-Saron's display of the events of the formation of the Dragon Soul (later known as the Demon Soul) certainly indicates that he either has or claims a level of involvement with the madness that overcame Neltharion.
It's also telling, however, that Yogg-Saron displays the murder of King Llane Wrynn at the hands of Garon Halforcen. We know that Garona was acting on the orders of the Shadow Council, who had used their warlock magics to condition her over the years. We know that Gul'dan, leader of the Shadow Council, had used warlock magic to age and dominate Garona's mind and had entrusted the ogre mage Cho'gall, his own creation, with the task of controlling her. And we know that Cho'gall again attempted to use his power over Garona to help bring C'Thun back to life. So why did Yogg-Saron show us Garona's murder of the human king who had trusted and respected her? Was he claiming to have had control over Cho'gall even then? Is that why we find Twilight's Hammer soldiers and mages in Ulduar serving General Vezax? Just how deep do Yogg-Saron's machinations go?
The third vision we see, that of Arthas Menethil (the Lich King) torturing Bolvar Fordragon (his eventual replacement), is fairly simple: Arthas had made extensive use of Yogg-Saron's own blood for his undead minions. Yogg-Saron's words -- "He will learn that no king rules forever" -- proved prophetic indeed, as Arthas died at the hands of me and 24 of my closest friends. (Well, OK, maybe you killed him. Depends on who raids when.) At any rate, Arthas was slain, Bolvar took up the mantle of the Lich King, and we're left to wonder why Yogg-Saron -- who claimed such extensive influence, helping to cause the creation of the Demon Soul (and inadvertently the Sundering itself), the death of King Llane and destruction of Stormwind, and the ultimate fate of the Lich King -- was so unprepared for his own death.
Then again, when we look at the circumstances surrounding Ulduar, we're forced to wonder if it was unpreparedness.

Over the course of the millennia, Yogg-Saron enslaved the will of Loken, the Prime Designate charged with watching over the Ulduar installation and Azeroth entire. Using Loken as a proxy, Yogg-Saron manipulated the servants of its own Titan enemies, engaging them in a long and ultimately pointless war that ended with many of them being forced into stasis by Loken and thus unable to interfere with the corrupted watcher's plans for Azeroth. Loken went so far as to murder his brother Thorim's wife Sif and pin the blame on the servants of Hodir, another of his sibling watchers. Eventually, Freya, Hodir and Mimiron all found themselves imprisoned and slowly driven mad by the being they themselves had been set to ward over. The last watcher besides brooding Thorim was Tyr, a great champion of order who'd sacrificed his own hand in battle with the forces of the Old Gods. His fate remains unknown. There's speculation that Yogg-Saron used the corrupting force of his saronite blood to alter Tyr into General Vezax, but no evidence either way as yet.
Eventually, as great heroes from the mortal races reached the Storm Peaks in their quest to find a way to halt the Lich King's advances, Yogg-Saron used Loken to manipulate and capture Thorim, the final watcher of Ulduar with a component of the Algalon fail-safe. It's unknown why neither Loken nor Tyr had a piece of the device, perhaps as a check on these two supposedly most orderly of the watchers to keep them from summoning Algalon prematurely. With Thorim in his reach, Yogg either failed to keep a close enough watch on his servitor or deliberately sacrificed Loken to vengeful heroes in order to activate the Algalon protocol.
Because how else could it have happened? It's clear that Yogg-Saron must have known of the protocol after thousands of years of controlling Loken even more thoroughly than Deathwing has even been controlled. (Neltharion, for all his flaws, has never blindly obeyed the Old Gods, working with them only when it suits him.) Why would Yogg-Saron, the Old God of Death, the Lucid Dream itself, allow Loken to die alone in a side wing of the Ulduar complex if it didn't exactly suit his plans? Look at the larger picture.
As with C'Thun, we see an Old God confronted and slain in its own lair by mortal hands, when the Titans themselves supposedly could not do so without destroying Azeroth. Perhaps the issue isn't that the Old Gods can't be slain, but that to slay them utterly requires the complete eradication of Azeroth back down to its primary unmixed materials (as Algalon himself implies when he arrives) -- and therefore, Yogg-Saron can't possibly be dead now. I don't know about you, but when I killed him, I didn't reduce Azeroth to its primary components just to be sure. However, in manipulating a group of mortals to not only kill Loken but then to storm Ulduar, regain the fragments of the Celestial Planetarium key, and take a key role in preventing Algalon himself from reoriginating Azeroth, Yogg-Saron ensures its own survival and the survival of the Old Gods.

It's not that Yogg-Saron particularly wants Azeroth to survive, but the Old Gods have shown a remarkable tendency to enjoy their own existences. Allowing Algalon to wipe Azeroth down to the raw cosmic matter that formed it and root out the slumbering and presumably vulnerable Old Gods trapped within wouldn't suit the Old God of Death at all, since it happens to be one of those selfsame trapped beings. But look now: Not only has Yogg-Saron slain, corrupted or weakened his eternal jailors, it has convinced them and Algalon that it has been destroyed and is no longer a threat. Furthermore, even if clear and present evidence of even more widespread systemic Old God corruption of Azeroth should surface, Algalon's not coming back to deal with it.
Azeroth belongs to the Old Gods now. While there have been a handful of mortals who have shown the ability to balk them, these same mortals run the risk of corruption every time they raise a weapon against the Old Gods. Just ask Milhouse Manastorm about the insidious whispers of the madness that crawls behind reality's mask. Can mortal heroes who have accepted the Faustian bargain and worn the very blood of an Old God possibly hope to retain their sanity and battle a hopeless fight against forces that threaten to swallow the world in chaos, and do so without the help of the Titans?
Sure, Yogg-Saron is dead. Of course it is. The alternative ... that events unfolded exactly as it hoped they would ... is too horrible to contemplate.
Next week, the new lore of the Old Gods in Cataclysm.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Lore, Know your Lore, Wrath of the Lich King, Cataclysm
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 5)
Iirdan Aug 11th 2010 8:39PM
I think Yogg was confident enough that he was more powerful than Algalon, seeing as the Titans couldn't even fully imprison him, so players who could defeat him could defeat Algalon. Of course game mechanics proved otherwise, but lorewise I think Yogg thought he had it all planned out.
brian Aug 11th 2010 9:00PM
That is true, but Loken died before we entered into Ulduar. So there was a chance that somehow we'd be able to defeat the Watchers, but die to either him or Algalon.
Then again, it already happened the other way, so I suppose I'm wasting my time with "what if."
Iirdan Aug 11th 2010 9:01PM
Not wasting your time. It's fun to speculate. Lost has been over for months and I still think about it on a near daily basis.
Cure4Living Aug 12th 2010 12:34PM
Mmm well we've never actually see how old gods interact? Perhaps they actually really really hate each other or perhaps Yoggy would actually be willing to sacrifice himself for the good of the remaining old gods. I know old gods are suppose to be all old and mysterious but sometimes to leaves a lot of questions.
ToyChristopher Aug 11th 2010 7:25PM
The old gods don't really seem that bad really. I mean without the old gods wouldn't gnomes be clockwork servants with no free will?
The titans were the ultimate villains of ulduar in a way.... Yogg Saron was just chilling but the Titans were the ones who sent algalon to blow up the planet.
Iirdan Aug 11th 2010 7:29PM
"Cower before my true form! BOW DOWN BEFORE THE GOD OF DEATH!"
Yeah, sounds like he's chilling.
But yes, Algalon was the more pressing threat to Azeroth. Yogg-Saron was certainly a threat as well though.
Ganatola Aug 11th 2010 11:08PM
Hi again! Another great post! When you mentioned the Yogg-post was happening next week, I did a little research into Yogg himself. By far, the most intriguing thing I found was the fact that he claimed a part (or whole, who knows) for King Llane’s death. While yes, it certainly is possible that Gul’dan and Cho’Gall (gosh, I love all those apostrophe names!) were controlling Garona to kill him, I say look back to the events of the book, The Last Guardian. The last time we ever see Garona before we see her kill Llane is when Sargeras/Medivh scrambles her brain before Khadgar kills him.
I think the reason Yogg showed us Llane’s death is that there is MUCH MORE depth than just the Shadow Council and the orcs when it comes to his death! The REAL reason the orcs came to Azeroth was because a Sargeras possessed Medivh called them to come to Azeroth. They were pawns in Sargeras’s plans to topple the strongest forces in the world of Azeroth (correct me if I’m wrong here though).
Question is, why would an Old God show the results of something a crazy titan did thirty years ago? Unless…the Old God himself had something to do with the “crazy titan.”
Lets draw a little comparison here between Deathwing and Sargeras. Both were great, powerful champions of the Titans (well one was blessed by the titans, not much difference). Both went totally insane, bent on chaos, and are destroyers of worlds; exact opposite of what the Titans wanted them to do. Deathwing went totally insane by staring into the abyss under Azeroth and hearing the Old Gods. Sargeras went totally insane by staring into the abyss of the Universe and seeing…what? Oh right, demons.
Now, it’s time for a little TFH: Ganatola Edition. Logic application - Demons come from planets that are totally racked with chaos and are rather chaotic beings themselves. The titans are dedicated to destroying all the demons of the Universe. They also likely want to destroy all the Old Gods in the Universe (and according to http://www.wowwiki.com/Harbinger_Skyriss, they are universal) due to their clear, opposite ideology of the Titans; chaos instead of order.
Wait a minute, did I just theorize that the Titans want Universal Healthcare?!?! I guess they are pretty liberal…
So my theory is this: All these demonic worlds the titans have found, they’re worlds already conquered by the Old Gods. Sargeras, tasked with wiping out all the demonic forces, finally went insane because he kept finding world after world with their taint and decided instead of fighting it, he would join it. He then united the forces of the Old Gods into the Burning Legion and is now charging across the universe, wiping out any trace of Titanic material; which on Azeroth, there seems to be quite a lot of material, preparing the way for Old-Mega-God infestation, AKA, O.M.G. Infestation!
Now that might be a stretch, but it isn’t much of a stretch to say that perhaps, Sargeras, like Deathwing, heard the whispers of the Old Gods and finally succumbed to them, going all “PEW PEW PEW! DEATHSTAR’S GOT NOTHIN ON THIS”? Later on, in his plot to topple Azeroth SARGERAS killed the most powerful human leader, via forcing it on one of his pawns two-fold; once by showing Garona the vision she was going to kill Llane in the future (therefore physiologically planting it in her brain she has to do it), and two actually messing with the mind of the actual killer (actually planting it in her brain that she has to do it,).
My conclusion (and TL;DR version) – Yogg is saying that Llane was killed by the Old Gods through the Garona who was controlled by Sargeras. I say that Sargeras controlled her because of the events that took place during The Last Guardian. I believe that Sargeras’s insanity is more of a “faction switch” to the Old Gods, therefore is a servant of the Old Gods. So Old Gods>Sargeras>Garona>Dagger in Llane’s chest, AKA, blame goes all the way back to the Old Gods.
Also so this can be seen as a reply to the above statement, Old Gods might not really be all that bad if you compare them to the Titans… Titans are all about immortality but you have absolutely no will. Old Gods are all about mortality and you have all the free will you want! So question is, which is more evil: Live forever but you make no choices OR you eventually die but you can do whatever you want?
PS – Christ! That’s over seven hundred words! Sorry, been writing for Blizzard’s writing contest all day today; needed something different to write about. >_<
Kallix Aug 12th 2010 12:09AM
@Ganatola
A nice theory, though I do remember when reading the War of the Ancients trilogy about how the Old Gods underneath the well of eternity wanted Sargeras to enter through the well, as it would break their prison and they would be able to defeat one lone Titan. As they were expecting to fight Sargeras, its unlikely he was working directly for them, although they might always retcon it.
As far as who the true evil is, while order itself may not be the best thing in the world, and the Titans are far from perfect, in an organised world positive things like Honor and Justice can exist. In an Old Gods world, there is simply nothing but chaos and war. I know which side I'd rather fight for.
MonJoe Aug 11th 2010 7:29PM
So all of the experiences of raiding the old gods were just implanted in our minds by the old gods so we believe we've defeated them but they're totally not. My mind is blown.
kazeko.fuuga Aug 11th 2010 7:59PM
I think of it more like the old gods start to gain power but then we beat them back to sleep.
Yet they set plans in motion for the future because they're immortal and therefore have a different sense of time than us. They're all about their machinations so purpose doesn't seem to dominate and conquer as much as manipulate in subtle ways.
If you read the medivh comics, c'thun is doing stuff as a dead husk so that he can be revived. If he can think and manipulate though, I don't think we should call him dead. And we haven't beaten yogg any more than we've beaten C'thun. So they're both still working to bring azeroth back to its primordial chaos.
I refuse to believe we've got the upper hand since we haven't done anything they couldn't predict.
We are very very predictable.
They pop up, we beat them unconscious. I think the old gods are smarter than to be so defeated by brute strength. Unless maybe it's titan level strength but it's not. The old gods sidestory is building up to something.
Krem Aug 11th 2010 7:37PM
IÄ, IÄ, YOGG-SARON FHTAGN.
And picture number three is DAMN sexy.
kaoskongo Aug 11th 2010 7:40PM
"Azeroth belongs to the Old Gods now."
World of Warcraft 2: The Old Gods Are Dead. Sike!
Vrykerion Aug 11th 2010 7:50PM
Even a dead god can dream.
Bernie Roscoe Aug 11th 2010 7:51PM
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AndyB Aug 11th 2010 7:53PM
@jane take your nasty yahoo-spam comments elsewhere
Siaperas Aug 11th 2010 7:56PM
I think looking at those idealogical perspectives is really key to understanding the Titans, the Old Gods, and the Burning Legion. Sargaeras split with the rest of Titans, but his view is still a type of order. The Old Gods are evil in that they want pure harm and chaos to all, and that's where the books say they are perhaps more evil than Sargaeras; they like to cause pain into others. Sargaeras just wants to destroy everything. He doesn't see the point in any of it, and he's recruited the Legion to help him accomplish his goals. The members of the Legion all help him to achieve their own goals, but I'm sure if Sargaeras had his end game, the universe would lie in ruin, the titans would all be defeated, everything would be dead, and then he would turn on his Burning Legion and raze them all as well as they would be the last thing standing.
Note, this actually something about the strength of the current mortals of Azeroth, and this is moral lesson hidden in the games and stories. The true might is the might of the heart, and the persistence of people who rise to do extraordinary things despite their given stations. The mortals of Azeroth have warded off 2 invasions of the Burning Legion, (who as far as we know have successfully razed every other world they've encountered), and they have so far been able to defeat the forces of the Old Gods. The Alliance and Horde are both strong, and the true tragedy, and the concept that keeps the World of Warcraft turning, is that if they were able to truly be at peace with one another, their combined strenght would be truly unbeatable. As it is their infighting allows for threats to constantly rise, but despite that, heroes always rise to defeat those threats.
rich Aug 11th 2010 8:00PM
I still wonder if all this Old God "killing" doesn't have something to do with that aspect we've yet to see (well, at least for certain)... Maybe we are destabilizing Azeroth, and he's just trying to erase what we've done to "fix" it all.
Felix_NZ Aug 11th 2010 8:02PM
"Earth belonged to the Martians"... I mean Azeroth!.. and, Old Gods...
That last picture made me wonder about the twitching 'limbs' found sticking up out of Silithid Hive areas in the zones nearest AQ - are they merely growths caused by the silithid creep biomass stuff they line their burrows with, or are they the extremities of C'thun himself?
Bernie Roscoe Aug 11th 2010 11:42PM
That's what I've been wondering!
irish7497 Aug 11th 2010 8:03PM
I have to agree with Toy, the Titans seem like Inflexable tyrants who take over natural worlds with life already existing and turn them into what they want. The Old Gods dont seem to nice with the whole constante statre of destruction thing but the Titans i think get too much credit as saviors and lawbringers. we know that the trolls, dragons, ( night elves?), and tauren existed befor the Titans came but the Titans decided to wage a war and completly reshape Azeroth to thier liking without asking these native life forms. I think the titans are more like Europes colonizations bringing "civilization" to existing peoples and forcing them under thier rule. Sure they brought order and created the dwarves, gnomes, and humans (well at least their precursers, pun intended) but at what cost? They are more than willing to destroy all of azeroth if life starts to show any signs of free will or disorder, they cant be that great.