Drama Mamas: Anyone can raid
Drama Mamas Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are experienced gamers and real-life mamas -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of the checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your realm.
Many people really enjoy the competition and grading of endgame progression raiding, but that's not the only raiding going on. Anyone can raid. To be clear, anyone who thinks raiding is fun can and should raid. You just need to find the right group of people with whom to have raiding fun. Even if you have obstacles like young children, an odd schedule or, as is the case this week, learning difficulties, there is a group of people who will enjoy raiding with you. Well, unless you're That Guy. Nobody wants to raid with him.
Dear Drama Mamas,
I want to start playing WoW. I think I'll be mostly fine running around on my own, doing quests and just general things. I'd eventually like to get into raiding. Here's where the problem starts. I have learning difficulties that make it a very, very slow process for me to learn things and then retain that information. I need to be shown over and over again before the information really sticks. Because of this, I'm very unsure about joining a guild, and the only other option available to me would be PUGs, but I'm not sure how that would go.
I can explain that I'm not very good at whatever it is I'm supposed to do (I haven't decided what I'll play as yet). But the people there would have been waiting for ages and probably won't appreciate me making them wipe or want to wait around for an enthusiastic but useless player. I worry that saying as soon as I join a group, "I have learning difficulties and I'm having a hard time learning how to raid," will sound like I'm trying for attention and/or sympathy, when I'm really not.
On the other hand, if I join a guild, the people in that guild will need to spend a long time helping me learn what to do if I'm going to at all useful in the raids.
I'm not confident enough to keep on and on saying "I don't understand" when people are spending a lot of time helping me. I guess I have a guilt complex. I'm not really sure what I'm asking anymore, but I'll send this anyway since I've typed it out.
Thanks for reading,
Shy, Worried and Confused
/relaxing breath
Shy, even if you didn't have challenges but just wanted to be a casual raider with a casual time commitment, you would have the same issues. Not everyone has the time and inclination to spend studying theorycrafting spreadsheets and collecting best-in-slot gear. Whether you have trouble learning or just don't have the time in your busy life to memorize recommended rotations and instance strategies, you are going to be treated the same in PUGs and called the same names. Though rudeness is not acceptable, there is an understandable and correct expectation for a minimum skill level at which you join a random dungeon or a PUG raid. Other players are not there to teach you how to play your class, nor are they there to repeatedly explain instance strategies until you get it and then remind you during the battle. (Good PUG leaders will give brief explanations before each encounter, but that's getting more rare.) Your fellow PUG members are there to have fun, just like you are. So it is good and right to play only with players who are agreeing to help you and the best place to find that is in a guild.
There is actually a whole lot of fun to the game that doesn't involve being in a group. So you may easily be able to enjoy yourself for quite a long time (or forever) without ever setting foot in a dungeon. However, since you do like the idea of grouping in the future, I highly recommend finding a friendly, understanding guild before you get too invested in a character and/or realm. Here are some tips for finding a guild for your situation:
- Do you have friends who play WoW? Even if they are in raiding guilds, they may be able to get you in on a non-progression-raider status. It is likely that a busy raiding guild will have time to help you when they are bored during non-raid times. They may even be willing to "carry" you in 25-man non-progression raids, so you could experience layouts and fights without being expected to participate.
- You could join us on Zangarmarsh (US-PvE-H) in <It came from the Blog>. Our guild is full of helpful, friendly, understanding people who are willing to help people and answer questions -- as long as the helpees are considerate and are willing to help themselves as well.
- Check out the comments below. My guess is that there are guilds who will offer to have you join them for casual leveling as well as casual dungeoning.
- Research casual guilds recruiting on the realm forums. You will likely find a few that sound like a good fit. Apply with them, making sure to be completely honest about your situation.
I second the notion that the best thing you can do for yourself is find a group of friendly, supportive folks to chillax with. Take your time searching for a guild, and don't settle for the first tolerable possibility; you're looking for people you can actually enjoy. They're out there! Poke around for friendly-sounding posts on the official realm forums, and look through older posts here in The Classifieds. Don't limit yourself to your own realm; the price of a transfer is well worth the cost of connecting with a compatible group. When you find a promising group, create a level 1 character so you can contact guild officers in game for more information or even a trial guild membership for your new alt. Believe it or not, you can afford to be frank about your needs; there are plenty of casual guilds out there who would be thrilled to add another mature, relaxed member who's interested in raiding at a slower pace. Don't compromise. What you seek does exist!
My other suggestion is that you bolster your knowledge and confidence by assiduously preparing for every raid and every encounter.
- Make sure you know the basics of playing your class at the high end of the game. Cover the basics with our Class 101 series (scroll down just a bit more after you click, to see the entire series list). Polish up by digging through our class columns (look under Class in the horizontal menu at the top of our site), which break down specific endgame strategies.
- Read up on raiding itself. Our WoW Rookie article on Preparing for your first raid and our Ready Check column for raiders can bring you up to speed on general raiding practices. If you're a healer, you may also want to read Raid Rx.
- Study raid guides. Take a moment to run a search here at WoW.com, because many of our class columns have run specific guides from your class' point of view. Be sure to review our guides to Icecrown Citadel and Ruby Sanctum.
- Study more raid guides. Your motto: "Too much is never enough." Look up specific bosses and encounters at WoWWiki and watch the videos linked at the bottom of each article. Then hop over to YouTube and look for more videos shot from your own role's perspective (tank, healer, DPS). Follow along with your own printed notes, if it helps; when things start looking familiar and what the raid leader's saying starts making sense, you'll know things are starting to click.
Drama buster of the week
Not all unsolicited advice is bad, rude or cruelly meant. In fact, most people offer you advice on your character with the intentions of helping you -- they just aren't necessarily good at delivering their wisdom. Even if Mr. Condescending is boorish and rude, try to cut through the outer layer of ickiness and see if you can benefit from it. Don't get angry or defensive, just accept the advice and make changes accordingly. Then feel free to thank the clod for his helpfulness and educate him on his advice-giving techniques in turn. Keep it light and friendly, though.
/party Oops! You're right! I was using the wrong rank of that spell. FYI, I recommend not using the macro that combines Give Advice with Condescending Rudeness. You'll get better results, just like I will now. :)
Never mind. Just say that in your head. A simple thank-you is probably best.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Drama Mamas






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Matticus Aug 13th 2010 11:14AM
My monitor is littered with post it notes with quick reminders on which boss does what and how we respond/placement/phase details, etc.
But uh, that might not be the best solution for everyone.
Boz Aug 13th 2010 12:04PM
I think this requires more than just sticky notes considering the nature of the letter; it's brave to write something like this in a community that can - at times - be caustic. He or she will require friendship and understanding to raid; his or her humility is admirable in this, and I'm sure they won't have trouble making friends. The Drama Mama's have offered some excellent advice, to which I would append:
First: Sticky notes are a great idea I'd take one step further: Run WoW in windowed mode (with reduced settings if necessary) next to an open window with WoWhead.com and the current encounter so that you can refer to instance strategies and boss abilities in real-time.
Second: Run Heroics; Heroics are a microcosm of raiding, and if you can run heroics with a random group, learn the fights, and take the inevitable criticism (Read: Develop thick skin), then you can raid.
Third: Robin is spot-on: Find a guild and make friends. A guild will be more patient and understanding than PUGs. To that I would add some additional help in locating a guild for you: If you want to stay on your current server post in the official forums looking for an understanding guild. I would use an alt created for the purpose given the nature of your post to avoid any blowback from jerks. If you are open to a server transfer, consider the official guild recruitment threads, as well. The official guild recruitment forums are highly trafficed and - with a couple bumps - you may find you a guild that suits your personality.
I wish you the best of luck, and happy gaming!
Burnaphatone Aug 13th 2010 12:23PM
You don't happen to be an accounts manager for an insurance broker, do you?
Muse Aug 13th 2010 12:29PM
Airplane pilots are among the smarter segment of the population, they learn an absolute craptonne of things by heart during the education and are counted on to never make a mistake in their entire career.
At work, they have checklists. Checklists for diagnoses, for pre-flight check, for take-off checks, for take-offs, for airbound procedures, every single conceivable error procedures, approach and landing procedures for every thinkable type of landing. Always always always checking off the checklists. Pilot friend even joked about having checklists for the coffee machine. This isn't because they're too stupid to learn, but to make absolutely sure they catch everything every time. Now, WoW is a great deal less serious than flying an airplane, but those post-it notes have a very real application.
Bapo Aug 13th 2010 12:45PM
Post it notes or even a notebook are both great ideas to help out with remembering boss abilities, and other things to note in a encounter. That, and DBM as always
ladydeth Aug 13th 2010 2:17PM
I run two monitors.....my left monitor is for the game, and the right one always has wowwiki.com up or something else Ive googled.....normally talent specs and gemming for pvp/pve.
Just remember, you aren't alone. This game is extremely large. Most people know one or two classes really well, and nothing about any of the others.
Good luck, Shy!
Theresa Aug 13th 2010 2:48PM
I still do something similar when a new raid is out. I make notes for each boss, one page per boss encounter. My starting notes are just names, basic abilities, important buffs/debuffs. Then, as my guild starts to get a strategy down I make additional notes and simple drawings as needed. Eventually I no longer need it, but it is nice to have the important bits there for review right before the encounter.
DavidC Aug 13th 2010 3:48PM
Sticky notes are not going to help this person. To be blunt, this person seems like s/he wants everyone to treat them special. This person states that they need to "learn" stuff over and over and over and over again, yet seems unwilling to actually do that on their own.
There are countless guides on how to play your class. If that means spending 200+ hours reading the same guide till it sinks in ... so be it.
There are countless video's on each raid encounter. If that means spending 200+ hours watching videos of the same encounter till it sinks in ... so be it.
That is the ONLY considerate / decent thing to do. Don't burden other people with your issues, till you have burdened yourself first to the very best of your capability.
After that, then folks generally don't have problems giving other people pointers / tips.
Randy* Aug 13th 2010 4:31PM
Perhaps DavidC should post his server and guild so that they won't be bothered by the letter's author.
Aloix Aug 13th 2010 5:35PM
I agree wholeheartedly with ladydeth's recommendation for dual monitors. Being able to keep up various strats on a 2nd monitor can be really helpful when learning/improving on fights.
I also keep a bunch of WoW-notes using Microsoft's OneNote (part of the Office suite).
Developing good resource skills (and using them) is, IMO, a great way to go from mediocre/insecure to competent and successful.
ThatOneChick Aug 13th 2010 6:16PM
I like the dual monitor idea, but I have to confess, I am a sticky note user myself (mostly because I only have one monitor). While I have never used stickies as reminders for boss encounters/abilities, I did find using a sticky note taped to the bottom of my monitor extremely helpful when I was trying to learn my dps rotation. It was nice to just be able to glance down and double check my instincts as I was trying to figure out what I was doing. It may not be super high-tech, but it worked for me.
jbodar Aug 13th 2010 7:34PM
@DavidC
While you're fairly tactless, you do make a somewhat redeemable point about using alternative resources, such as the videos section on Tankspot.com, as a way to learn how encounters should be done beforehand. The OP will still need patient friends and guildies to help him out with their particular strategies and class-specific advice and I hope he does find them out there. Every little bit of "homework" he does should (hopefully) lessen the burden on the people who are helping him. The checklist idea is quite good actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_disability
Zanaji Aug 13th 2010 11:15AM
+1 for
Zanaji Aug 13th 2010 12:18PM
dang it...stupid greater than/less than
edit to read +1 for It Came from the Blog
Lots of friendly folks :)
Firestyle Aug 13th 2010 11:16AM
Depends on if her/his learning difficulties prohibit her/him from making trends. I.e. does he/she have to relearn "don't stand in fire" every time the fire becomes a different color? Or is that fundamental concept transferrable between encounters - if the latter, no problem we all went through that and there are a few new gimmicks here and there (i.e. purple lazer beams). Shouldn't be an issue.
Sefekhi Aug 13th 2010 11:16AM
I agree with all that's been said here, but I would add that you should consider what you want to get out of raiding. Not all raids are equal. In my guild, for instance, we have what passes for a progression run in a group of adults with busy professional lives, that is currently trying to kill the Lich King on a semi-weekly basis. We also have an alternative run in Icecrown that has lower expectations regarding where in Icecrown it will finish each week, but is progressing through the content, as a means of getting more guildies geared up and into the raid instance. Weeklies are a great way to break into raiding, because they typically involve dated raiding content that the raid can easily handle. Other relatively simple runs, such as Vault of Archavon and Obsidian Sanctum are relatively straightforward, but also teach the basics of raiding mechanics that get used in harder fights later on. The good news is that large guilds tend to through these raids together without much concern for the gear and experience of those who come and the ones with late-content gear can generally carry the group through any inadequacies in the group.
albanesp Aug 13th 2010 11:18AM
My hope is that Shy can become the WOW player he/she wants to be, however I think it will become quickly whether or not Shy's learning disability will impact his/her ability to raid.
If Shy can't learn his/her class, proper rotation or priority system, gear selection, pet management, etc then Shy won't get very far in WOW and won't ever get up to raid ready.
However, if Shy can learn a class well enough to play up to 80, I *think* that indicates the potential to learn fights as well.
Good luck
Fyin Aug 13th 2010 11:54AM
I have to disagree with your last point. Getting a character to 80 has absolutely no relevance to the amount of skill a player has. I am pretty sure that a 5 year old could bring a character up to 80, albeit at a very slow pace.
I'm not saying that Shy has the skill of a 5-year old, all I'm saying is that him (or anyone else) hitting lvl 80 has absolutely no relevance on their raiding skill.
Kunikenwad! Aug 13th 2010 11:19AM
By all that is holy, I LOVE me some Phineas and Ferb! Harry the Platypus! Doofenschmertz Evil Incorrrrporated!
Robin Torres Aug 13th 2010 11:28AM
Perry the Platypus.
Agent P.
He's a semi-aquatic, egg-laying mammal of action.