The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Warriors in lore
The Care and Feeding of Warriors is about warriors, who hurl themselves into the fray, into the very teeth of danger, armed with nothing more than the biggest weapons and armored with the absolutely heaviest armor we can find. Hey, we're not stupid -- we're just crazy.
Good morning. I had said at the end of last week's column that this week would most likely be more about Cataclysm. Why, then, the sudden switch? Well, three reasons.
Well, it's called the Warcraft setting for a reason. There are quite a few of them. (So many, in fact, that this could end up being a series of posts.) Today we'll look at three: one Alliance, one Horde and one who could be claimed by both.
Anduin Lothar
This dude is the iconic human warrior. As far as the Warcraft setting is concerned, they simply don't get bigger than Anduin Lothar. Last of the Arathor bloodline (which technically gave him the right to claim rulership over all human kingdoms, a right he never tried to exercise), the Lion of Azeroth, it was Lothar who stormed into Medivh's tower when the guardian's role in the summoning of the orcs became fully known.
It was Lothar who led the defense of Stormwind and successfully kept the city out of Blackhand's grasp for months, only losing the city when his best friend King Llane Wrynn was assassinated by Garona for having made the mistake of trusting her. It was Lothar who turned utter defeat into survival by leading the remaining survivors, including young Varian Wrynn, away from the burning ruins of Stormwind ahead of the pursuing orcish horde that would have killed every single last one of them. It was Lothar who cajoled, convinced or demanded aid from the various human, dwarf and high elf kingdoms to the north and by force of will created the Alliance of Lordaeron.
It was Lothar, not Turalyon or Uther or anyone else, who devised the strategies that defeated Doomhammer and his horde (albeit with a good deal of help from Doomhammer's traitorous magician Gul'dan, who betrayed and abandoned the Horde at a critical moment in his quest to find the Tomb of Sargeras), and it was Lothar who pushed the orcs back to Blackrock Mountain. And while Lothar died atop that mountain, even his death only served to further motivate the Alliance forces. Killing Lothar was the final straw, and they were utterly smashed, beaten and nearly slaughtered on the spot by the enraged soldiers of the Alliance military. So great was Lothar's legacy that the men and women of the Alliance Expedition to Draenor would come to call themselves the Sons of Lothar.
All of this doesn't even touch upon Lothar's youth, when he, Medivh and then-prince Llane would tear around Azeroth having crazy adventures and finding magical artifacts like Quel'Zaram. Quite frankly, the fact that there hasn't been a series of novels, a graphic novel, nothing at all showing us those three running amok in pre-Dark Portal Azeroth fighting monsters and having crazy, epic adventures is a bloody travesty.
It's not just Lothar's legacy, or his incredible tenacity that made him a legend, though. It's not just that he was the last Grand Master of the Brotherhood of the Horse, a knightly order that for a time made its home in Karazhan and fought against the Horde when it first invaded. It's not just that the guy had some really kickass-looking swords. (That doesn't hurt, though.) It's the fact that he was basically the total warrior package. He defended others but could also dispense the pain when it was called for, and he clearly took part in both the discipline of pure soldiery and the dispensation of raw brutality when called for. If there was ever a triple-spec warrior, it was this guy.
Grom Hellscream
Pretty much the poster child for a fury warrior. However, he's also a good candidate for an arms warrior, due to his being an orcish blademaster, pretty much iconic masters of a weapon.
It's kind of hard to pick one guy to be representative of orcish warriors. Nobody's disputing that orcs have a ridiculously strong warrior tradition. These are the guys who gave us Blackhand the Destroyer, Broxigar, Varok Saurfang and Orgrim Doomhammer, all of whom definitely can make a claim for baddest thing on two legs at any given time. Grom's an interesting case because not only was he an angry, bloodthirsty, contentious orc before the orcs ever drank the demon blood or waged war on the draenei, his burning inner rage both helped lead the orcs into damnation and slavery under the Burning Legion and then helped lead them out of it.
Grom was infamous for his black tattooed jaw, his unique appearance (in a race of squat, powerful warriors, Grom was relatively slim -- "relatively," because he was still way bigger than most humans), his insane frenzy and skill on the battlefield. The draenei who crossed paths with him during the war on Draenor soon learned that his raw power and battle lust were nearly unstoppable. He rose to leadership of the Warsong through suspect means (even Durotan wondered if Grom had killed his predecessor), but the clan itself was unwaveringly loyal to him. Grom was also infamous for being the first orc brave or crazy enough to slurp down demon blood, thus convincing the other orcs that it was a good idea. (Gul'dan was pretty good at figuring out how to piss Grom off enough to get him to act, although it's fair to say it didn't really take all that much to get him pissed off.)
Grom was such a talented and contrary warrior that when Gul'dan finally decided to invade Azeroth after the draenei had been dealt with, he didn't let Blackhand bring him. Gul'dan reasoned that as soon as they were on the other side, Grom would begin questioning his orders, not because Hellscream would particularly want to defend the humans but simply because you couldn't control the fury of the first orc to drink demon blood. The best you could do was channel it, and even that was difficult. Better to keep him out of the way. (Gul'dan didn't actually care about winning the war; he wanted to find the Tomb of Sargeras and become a god. If you want to win a war, you don't leave one of your absolute best warriors at home.)
Grom therefore missed pretty much the entirety of the First and Second Wars. To put this in perspective, imagine if Irwin Rommel didn't get used at all during World War II, or if the British had decided to hold Wellington in reserve during their whole "let's stop Napoleon" period. I'm not saying Grom would have won the Second War, because he was never much of a strategist (Doomhammer was) -- but man, not using Grom is like not bringing a gun to the O.K. Corral.
Unlike his former student Gul'dan, Ner'zhul made heavy use of Grom on his raids to collect various magical artifacts, and when Ner'zhul blew up Draenor, Grom was smart enough to be on the other side of the Dark Portal, where he and his Warsong clan evaded capture by the Alliance for years. This gave Grom plenty of time to contemplate that whole "Hey, I'll be the first one to suck down a pint of Mannoroth!" He decided it had been a bad idea. This ultimately led to his friendship with the escaped Thrall, his participation in the destruction of the internment camps, and the flight to Kalimdor. Once there, Grom would kill Cenarius while under the influence of Mannoroth's blood, be enslaved again, be freed by Thrall, and ultimately give his life to destroy the very demon to which he'd once handed over himself and his people.
Grom's legacy, like his life, is conflicted but impossible to ignore. His son Garrosh and his rise to power is one, but there's also his role in the hostility between the Kaldorei and the orcs to consider. Had Grom not killed Cenarius, it's possible the orcs and night elves could have been allies, or at least not enemies. Grom both started and ended the blood curse. But it's undeniable that even without any of that he would be remembered as one of the most fearsome warriors ever to walk either Draenor or Azeroth.
Thalorien Dawnseeker
Since we know now that blood elves are getting warriors in Cataclysm, it;s worth our time to take a look at this figure, who was one of the most renowned high elf warriors of his day. Why are we looking at a high elf warrior to discuss blood elf warriors? Well, for starters, Thalorien lived before there were blood elves at all and died in the tragic events that created the sin'dorei as a distinct faction of elves. So he can be held up as an exemplar for both the blood and high elves alike and so can be remembered as a hero to Alliance and Horde.
Thalorien basically serves as a complete refutation of the stereotype that the high/blood elf cannot be a warrior. If you've done the Quel'Delar quest line and seen him in action in the past, it's crystal clear that Thalorien doesn't truck with magic, necromancy or the Light. He's a straightforward arms warrior with a two-hander (albeit one of the most distinctive two-handers in history). We don't really know that much about him aside from the fact that before the Third War, he took part in heavy fighting against trolls, meaning that he most likely helped push Zul'jin and the Amani back to Zul'Aman during the rout of the trollish forces near the end of the Second War, after they'd allied with Doomhammer. Ah, the shifting alliances of the Warcraft setting.
Thalorien clearly served with honor and distinction as a martial defender of Silvermoon and his people for many years before the moment that would simultaneously cover him in glory and yet leave him dead on the tainted battleground. As the Scourge invaded under the fallen Prince Arthas Menethil of Lordaeron and the high elves fell back from Elfgate to Elfgate, Thalorien and a unit of his troops ultimately found themselves the last line of defense for the Sunwell itself. At this point, Sylvanas was already dead (and most likely enduring Arthas' blasphemous attentions), and there would have been little shame in retreating. They were few, massively outnumbered by the Scourge and had no hope of victory.
Thalorien, however, never even considered retreat. He ordered his troops away and made a final stand against the Scourge, destroying waves of undead with the power of Quel'Delar and his own unshakable resolve. Battered, exhausted, he still managed to challenge the death knight Morlen Coldgrip and died there, performing his duty at the ultimate cost.
You can mock the blood elves (or the high elves, for that matter) as weak or what have you, but doing so proves only that you wish to ignore the martial traditions of their people as exemplified by Thalorien Dawnseeker. This elf stood at what he knew to be certain death and bought time for his people to escape, knowing full well he would die for it. He's not the most powerful warrior in the lore, he's not the most renowned, he's not the one with the highest kill count or the one who won against nearly impossible odds ... But take him all in all, and you can see that few warriors in the history of the Warcraft setting were ever so gallant in the face of assured demise. Both the quel'dorei and the sin'dorei have good reason to be proud of Thalorien Dawnseeker, who died for love of them.
Next week, it's going to be that arms report card, unless a major patch drops on the beta with ramifications for warriors.
Check out more strategies, tips and leveling guides for warriors in Matthew Rossi's weekly class column, The Care and Feeding of Warriors.
Good morning. I had said at the end of last week's column that this week would most likely be more about Cataclysm. Why, then, the sudden switch? Well, three reasons.
- I want to give the beta a chance to drop another patch. Without a numbers pass, most of what I've said in previous columns more or less holds true. But discussions of changes to the way rage generation will work definitely have me in a holding pattern as far as actually discussing the nuts and bolts of any spec. Quite frankly, my worgen warrior leveling to 60 already needed to use Battle Shout and Bloodrage on cooldown to generate rage; if they change rage gen so that critical hits don't generate more rage, he'll be looking at complete rage starvation. Rage will need to be tweaked upward quite a bit to give the "you can do your rotation and occasionally a Heroic Strike" feel; right now, it's more of a "please give me some rage, sir, I'm ever so rage-starved" feel.
- I also want to give the people who complain we talk too much about the beta a week off from writing angry emails. I personally love talking about beta issues and the way they show us the progression of the class, but I get that not everyone feels that way.
- I considered writing the arms report card instead, but considering the PvE state of arms, I just got depressed. "Still OK for PvP" doesn't seem like enough for a column.
Well, it's called the Warcraft setting for a reason. There are quite a few of them. (So many, in fact, that this could end up being a series of posts.) Today we'll look at three: one Alliance, one Horde and one who could be claimed by both.

This dude is the iconic human warrior. As far as the Warcraft setting is concerned, they simply don't get bigger than Anduin Lothar. Last of the Arathor bloodline (which technically gave him the right to claim rulership over all human kingdoms, a right he never tried to exercise), the Lion of Azeroth, it was Lothar who stormed into Medivh's tower when the guardian's role in the summoning of the orcs became fully known.
It was Lothar who led the defense of Stormwind and successfully kept the city out of Blackhand's grasp for months, only losing the city when his best friend King Llane Wrynn was assassinated by Garona for having made the mistake of trusting her. It was Lothar who turned utter defeat into survival by leading the remaining survivors, including young Varian Wrynn, away from the burning ruins of Stormwind ahead of the pursuing orcish horde that would have killed every single last one of them. It was Lothar who cajoled, convinced or demanded aid from the various human, dwarf and high elf kingdoms to the north and by force of will created the Alliance of Lordaeron.
It was Lothar, not Turalyon or Uther or anyone else, who devised the strategies that defeated Doomhammer and his horde (albeit with a good deal of help from Doomhammer's traitorous magician Gul'dan, who betrayed and abandoned the Horde at a critical moment in his quest to find the Tomb of Sargeras), and it was Lothar who pushed the orcs back to Blackrock Mountain. And while Lothar died atop that mountain, even his death only served to further motivate the Alliance forces. Killing Lothar was the final straw, and they were utterly smashed, beaten and nearly slaughtered on the spot by the enraged soldiers of the Alliance military. So great was Lothar's legacy that the men and women of the Alliance Expedition to Draenor would come to call themselves the Sons of Lothar.
All of this doesn't even touch upon Lothar's youth, when he, Medivh and then-prince Llane would tear around Azeroth having crazy adventures and finding magical artifacts like Quel'Zaram. Quite frankly, the fact that there hasn't been a series of novels, a graphic novel, nothing at all showing us those three running amok in pre-Dark Portal Azeroth fighting monsters and having crazy, epic adventures is a bloody travesty.
It's not just Lothar's legacy, or his incredible tenacity that made him a legend, though. It's not just that he was the last Grand Master of the Brotherhood of the Horse, a knightly order that for a time made its home in Karazhan and fought against the Horde when it first invaded. It's not just that the guy had some really kickass-looking swords. (That doesn't hurt, though.) It's the fact that he was basically the total warrior package. He defended others but could also dispense the pain when it was called for, and he clearly took part in both the discipline of pure soldiery and the dispensation of raw brutality when called for. If there was ever a triple-spec warrior, it was this guy.
Grom Hellscream
Pretty much the poster child for a fury warrior. However, he's also a good candidate for an arms warrior, due to his being an orcish blademaster, pretty much iconic masters of a weapon.
It's kind of hard to pick one guy to be representative of orcish warriors. Nobody's disputing that orcs have a ridiculously strong warrior tradition. These are the guys who gave us Blackhand the Destroyer, Broxigar, Varok Saurfang and Orgrim Doomhammer, all of whom definitely can make a claim for baddest thing on two legs at any given time. Grom's an interesting case because not only was he an angry, bloodthirsty, contentious orc before the orcs ever drank the demon blood or waged war on the draenei, his burning inner rage both helped lead the orcs into damnation and slavery under the Burning Legion and then helped lead them out of it.
Grom was infamous for his black tattooed jaw, his unique appearance (in a race of squat, powerful warriors, Grom was relatively slim -- "relatively," because he was still way bigger than most humans), his insane frenzy and skill on the battlefield. The draenei who crossed paths with him during the war on Draenor soon learned that his raw power and battle lust were nearly unstoppable. He rose to leadership of the Warsong through suspect means (even Durotan wondered if Grom had killed his predecessor), but the clan itself was unwaveringly loyal to him. Grom was also infamous for being the first orc brave or crazy enough to slurp down demon blood, thus convincing the other orcs that it was a good idea. (Gul'dan was pretty good at figuring out how to piss Grom off enough to get him to act, although it's fair to say it didn't really take all that much to get him pissed off.)
Grom was such a talented and contrary warrior that when Gul'dan finally decided to invade Azeroth after the draenei had been dealt with, he didn't let Blackhand bring him. Gul'dan reasoned that as soon as they were on the other side, Grom would begin questioning his orders, not because Hellscream would particularly want to defend the humans but simply because you couldn't control the fury of the first orc to drink demon blood. The best you could do was channel it, and even that was difficult. Better to keep him out of the way. (Gul'dan didn't actually care about winning the war; he wanted to find the Tomb of Sargeras and become a god. If you want to win a war, you don't leave one of your absolute best warriors at home.)
Grom therefore missed pretty much the entirety of the First and Second Wars. To put this in perspective, imagine if Irwin Rommel didn't get used at all during World War II, or if the British had decided to hold Wellington in reserve during their whole "let's stop Napoleon" period. I'm not saying Grom would have won the Second War, because he was never much of a strategist (Doomhammer was) -- but man, not using Grom is like not bringing a gun to the O.K. Corral.
Unlike his former student Gul'dan, Ner'zhul made heavy use of Grom on his raids to collect various magical artifacts, and when Ner'zhul blew up Draenor, Grom was smart enough to be on the other side of the Dark Portal, where he and his Warsong clan evaded capture by the Alliance for years. This gave Grom plenty of time to contemplate that whole "Hey, I'll be the first one to suck down a pint of Mannoroth!" He decided it had been a bad idea. This ultimately led to his friendship with the escaped Thrall, his participation in the destruction of the internment camps, and the flight to Kalimdor. Once there, Grom would kill Cenarius while under the influence of Mannoroth's blood, be enslaved again, be freed by Thrall, and ultimately give his life to destroy the very demon to which he'd once handed over himself and his people.
Grom's legacy, like his life, is conflicted but impossible to ignore. His son Garrosh and his rise to power is one, but there's also his role in the hostility between the Kaldorei and the orcs to consider. Had Grom not killed Cenarius, it's possible the orcs and night elves could have been allies, or at least not enemies. Grom both started and ended the blood curse. But it's undeniable that even without any of that he would be remembered as one of the most fearsome warriors ever to walk either Draenor or Azeroth.

Since we know now that blood elves are getting warriors in Cataclysm, it;s worth our time to take a look at this figure, who was one of the most renowned high elf warriors of his day. Why are we looking at a high elf warrior to discuss blood elf warriors? Well, for starters, Thalorien lived before there were blood elves at all and died in the tragic events that created the sin'dorei as a distinct faction of elves. So he can be held up as an exemplar for both the blood and high elves alike and so can be remembered as a hero to Alliance and Horde.
Thalorien basically serves as a complete refutation of the stereotype that the high/blood elf cannot be a warrior. If you've done the Quel'Delar quest line and seen him in action in the past, it's crystal clear that Thalorien doesn't truck with magic, necromancy or the Light. He's a straightforward arms warrior with a two-hander (albeit one of the most distinctive two-handers in history). We don't really know that much about him aside from the fact that before the Third War, he took part in heavy fighting against trolls, meaning that he most likely helped push Zul'jin and the Amani back to Zul'Aman during the rout of the trollish forces near the end of the Second War, after they'd allied with Doomhammer. Ah, the shifting alliances of the Warcraft setting.
Thalorien clearly served with honor and distinction as a martial defender of Silvermoon and his people for many years before the moment that would simultaneously cover him in glory and yet leave him dead on the tainted battleground. As the Scourge invaded under the fallen Prince Arthas Menethil of Lordaeron and the high elves fell back from Elfgate to Elfgate, Thalorien and a unit of his troops ultimately found themselves the last line of defense for the Sunwell itself. At this point, Sylvanas was already dead (and most likely enduring Arthas' blasphemous attentions), and there would have been little shame in retreating. They were few, massively outnumbered by the Scourge and had no hope of victory.
Thalorien, however, never even considered retreat. He ordered his troops away and made a final stand against the Scourge, destroying waves of undead with the power of Quel'Delar and his own unshakable resolve. Battered, exhausted, he still managed to challenge the death knight Morlen Coldgrip and died there, performing his duty at the ultimate cost.
You can mock the blood elves (or the high elves, for that matter) as weak or what have you, but doing so proves only that you wish to ignore the martial traditions of their people as exemplified by Thalorien Dawnseeker. This elf stood at what he knew to be certain death and bought time for his people to escape, knowing full well he would die for it. He's not the most powerful warrior in the lore, he's not the most renowned, he's not the one with the highest kill count or the one who won against nearly impossible odds ... But take him all in all, and you can see that few warriors in the history of the Warcraft setting were ever so gallant in the face of assured demise. Both the quel'dorei and the sin'dorei have good reason to be proud of Thalorien Dawnseeker, who died for love of them.
Next week, it's going to be that arms report card, unless a major patch drops on the beta with ramifications for warriors.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Matthew Rossi Aug 13th 2010 3:10PM
http://www.wowwiki.com/Zul%27jin
bui Aug 13th 2010 3:20PM
For some reason I didn't think of him as a warrior and more of some kinda super druid, but I was more thinking of what he did in ZA as a boss, and less of the fact that he cleaved the hell outta me when not taking one of the animal spirits.
thebitterfig Aug 13th 2010 3:05PM
I'll remind everyone that Grom didn't go looking for Cenarius, he and the other Horde in Ashenvale were simply trying to build a homeland, and it was the Night Elves who attacked, with a shoot-first mentality, and Cenarius set out to destroy every man, woman, and child among the orcs. Now, Rossi isn't quite implying this, but the orcs have enough which they actually did to take the blame for, without having "murderers of Night Elf Demigods" heaped on their heads, when they were mostly just defending themselves.
On the other hand, let's look at a counter-factual hypothetical situation... Let's suppose that instead of simply shooting the orcs when they first saw them, that a handful of Night Elves tried the diplomatic approach, went up and talked with Grom and the orcs, asked them to not cut down *THESE* trees and offered to show them less sacred ones they could use to build their city. Yeah, we're all probably thinking the same thing... Grom would have just killed them and gone on logging...
Murdertime Aug 14th 2010 12:50AM
This.
As soon as they met the orcs, the Night Elves tried to kill them. Then, when that didn't work (Because, well, Grom) they set a god on them.
How are you meant to respond to someone setting a god on you? I argue, under the circumstances, drinking from a mysterious fountain you found in the middle of the forest in the shape of a skull is the only reasonable response
esmelerendreves Aug 13th 2010 3:24PM
There should be one article about Broxigar, but with just one sentence: He fought Sargeras.
Valtor Aug 13th 2010 3:35PM
And lost, but ohey he kicked him in the shin!
esmelerendreves Aug 13th 2010 3:39PM
Exactly. It is like a mosquito kicking an Elephant in the nuts.
erknost Aug 13th 2010 3:41PM
Because of Thalorien Dawnseeker, I truly love the phase history of the Quel'Delar. He is like THE true WOW's example of King Leonidas I son of Anaxandridas II of Sparta, apart for that movie... THAT's a true hero.
Sterdoker Aug 13th 2010 4:13PM
"You can mock the blood elves (or the high elves, for that matter) as weak or what have you"
That's the problem though; even if racial profiling is always innacurate (and kind of stupid), when Arthas destroyed the Sunwell most High Elves became the assholes we see today, and that are reflected in our blood elves voice quotes. There are still cool elves out there: the ones who remained loyal to the Alliance, the Farstriders, etc, but most were totally cool with the way their society shifted and played along.
Labs Aug 13th 2010 5:10PM
You speak as if they had a choice. Remember, the Alliance had betrayed Kael's army, further fragmenting an already shattered people. High elves never outright gave themselves to the Alliance either, it was only under extreme duress that they reached out for aide through the wars.
Also, which Farstriders? Allerian Farstriders or Silvermoon/Ghostlands Farstriders?
Ulysses Aug 13th 2010 4:25PM
Falstad Wildhammer & Muradin Bronzebeard two of my favourite warriors in lore. I'm a dwarf junkie though : /
Sterdoker Aug 13th 2010 5:53PM
Well, ok, but I don't see it that way. Any human from that time had reasons to distrust high elves; they used them before in the past and refused to send significant help when the human empires needed it the most.
Within that context, Kael'thas was a racist fucker himself who met another racist fucker, just ONE lone general from a crushed, disfragmented empire. He allied with an enemy during times of war (and utter chaos, may I add), twice, and paid the price. Was Garithos fair? Wise? Not at all, but he did what he needed to do as a soldier.
And I meant Silvermoon/Ghostlands Farstriders, as they seem the only ones who at least reacted to the change in their city, and whose quests aren't as fucked up as the rest of that starting zone (and don't even get me started with blood knights).
There are many other examples of races who had to face tougher decisions (think draenei, gnomes, etc) and their reaction was far from "Ok, fuck it, let's just betray these guys and follow that trustworthy innocent looking snake woman over there".
Sterdoker Aug 13th 2010 5:54PM
And this was a reply to Labs comment, presented by "I can haz edit button?"
alpha5099 Aug 13th 2010 6:32PM
Are there any major Draenei warriors in lore? I realize Draenei lore can be fairly sparse at times, and most of their lore seems to focus on their relationship with the Light or their recent acceptance of Shamanism, but they're my favorite Alliance race; it'd be cool to know if any have done something particularly awesome in the name of warrior-kind.
arcaneterror Aug 13th 2010 7:07PM
Restalaan was one of Velen's best buddies and Captain of the Guard of Telmor. He was killed by Durotan on Blackhand's orders.
Genrally, though, most draenei that we know of are Priests, Shaman or Paladins.
Natsumi Aug 13th 2010 7:00PM
I want to see something on the Gnome Warriors! Absolutely nobody seems to like Gnomes, the Horde have punting contests and cookbooks and Alliance sacrifice Gnomes to Raid bosses or blame them for wipes even if they aren't a mage and there are Hunters around. If Gnomes could be any class, all my toons would be Gnomes. My main (and most of my other non-Gnome toons) I would race change (I may do it anyway) and I'd probably delete my DK and start over (they are so easy to level I have 3 max level DKs :p).
Murdertime Aug 13th 2010 7:40PM
You, sir, sicken and revolt me on a most fundamental level.
Gnomes.....
arawn.chernobog Aug 13th 2010 7:44PM
Well, if you ever considering touching a few other Warriors, there are a couple of names I'd recommend:
- Varok Saurfang (Obviously)
- Cairne Bloodhoof
- Varian Wrynn
- Durotan (Thrall's papa)
- Muradin Bronzebeard
- Broxigar
- Kargath
- Lord Garithos (He might have been a Paladin)
- Danath Trollbane
Bumblebee Aug 13th 2010 11:38PM
Quite a lot of good candidates for future lore articles have been given, so instead of just repeating the list, if you guys there could do similar posts on other classes, that'd be great. Many of the characters have of course been discussed quite a lot in KYL articles, but the Warcraft lore is rich enough to have quite a few characters that haven't really been given too much time yet.
Murdertime Aug 14th 2010 12:45AM
You've got to remember that Grom only had the vanilla trees to play around with. Of course, back then Two Handed Weapon Fury/Arms Warrior was a pretty damn good PvP build.
Grom also explains why Thrall is so tolerant of Garrosh. Because Garrosh is exactly like his father. He's had to put up with all this crap before. He's used to it by now. It's all reflex.