Officers' Quarters: Pitchforks and torches
Every Monday, Scott Andrews contributes Officers' Quarters, a column about the ins and outs of guild leadership. He is the author of The Guild Leader's Handbook, available from No Starch Press.
Wipes are a fact of life. Everyone wipes. How you deal with these situations can be crucial to your guild's success. Some guilds cultivate an environment based on blame, where everyone's first thought after a wipe is, "Who messed up?" Sometimes, it's easy to figure out who is at fault: Someone with a spore goes the wrong way, or someone gets mind-controlled by the Blood Queen after failing to bite his assignment. When it's not easy to figure out, some guilds use a different strategy for assigning blame. Here is one such case:
I have a real dilemma.
I'm an officer, one of six, in a semi-serious raiding guild. We have 30 core raiders who raid with us, and one of them until recently was one of our druid healers, and the issue surrounding him is my dilemma. A little background information on the guild, since it is relevant, is that we have a strict rule involving loot due to some people in the past who have abused our requirement for Vent in that they wouldn't use it, or they'd log in but leave their headsets off. This caused a lot of problems with wipes and caused the officers, GM and co-GM to agree that a rule would be made that was you must be in Vent and actively listening at all times during a raid in order to be eligible for loot. This is what caused the initial problem.
The player of this druid healer I mentioned before applied to our guild and told us on the application that he is deaf.
The officers discussed it, and after looking over some World of Logs reports, we decided to give him a trial run. He outhealed our druid class officer and seemed more on spot with raid awareness. He wasn't in Vent, so we know he didn't hear us calling out for a battle rez or heavy heals on an individual, but he was always right on top of those things. He seemed to watch other healers' mana and would innervate them. After the trial run we agreed to let him into the guild. He has since raided with us now for around two months. He was there when we got our first Lich King kill on 25 and has been there consistently.
The first issue came up about two weeks after he was invited. Some of the members started to protest that he was not abiding by the rules of using Vent. After talking it over amidst ourselves, we decided to ask him to at least log into Vent. We knew it wasn't going to do him any good, and he agreed. He said it was what another guild he was in had him do and he was fine with that. Things seemed fine. Until two weeks ago.
It started with just a few complaints that soon turned into more and more complaints to various officers. We'd had a meeting about it a few nights ago and asked the guild for input on our various rules and any they felt needed to be changed, and a few other things. We used this as a quiet way to find out how people felt about the Vent rule. As it turns out, of the 24 raiding members, 15 of them felt that this healer's inability to hear us calling out for heals or battle rezzes had caused a number of wipes and the fact he was able to get gear was just an abuse of the system.
We officers had a meeting about it and with mixed decisions called the healer into the officer channel, promoting him so that he could use officer chat temporarily. Of the six officers, GM and co-GM, four officers and the GM supported kicking the druid. One officer and the co-GM felt that we should discuss this with the guild and not judge the healer for a disability he has but rather for the performance he has shown us over the past two months. I did not vote, preferring to not cause a split. I now regret that decision.
The GM stated that many of the complaints received were that he (the druid) single-handedly caused the wipes because of his inability to hear. After about 20 minutes of talking to the druid, things got a little heated and he gquit [. . .] I tried to talk to him, ask him to stay on the server, seriously thinking of quitting the guild myself over this, but he was offline. He has since transferred servers[.]
How could we have handled this differently? [. . .] I'm not sure what to do or what could have been done better. Help?
Disheartened
This is one of the most blatant cases of bandwagon scapegoating I've ever heard. It's a sad story.
Here is how I imagine it went down: Your guild was having trouble progressing. People got frustrated and started to look around for what could be holding them back. An obvious target presented itself: The person who can't hear Vent. Someone suggested that the druid could be the problem. Someone else, who probably felt bad about causing a few wipes, but didn't want anyone to know about his or her mistakes, saw an opportunity to pass the buck and echoed the original finger-pointer's sentiments. A few accusing raiders became a mob of angry guild members, they took up their pitchforks and torches, and your officers folded to the pressure. They gave the druid over to the mob.
I wasn't there, obviously, but if what you tell me is true about this player's awareness and skill, then your guild just ran a good player out of town because it's easier to blame the guy who can't hear than for everyone to look at his own mistakes and what he could have done better.
I expect that sort of behavior from normal members, but when your officers agree with them, when they surrender to the mob, what can you do? I'd say it's a failure of leadership that more officers weren't willing to stick up for this person as a solid team member. Yes, he probably did cause a couple of wipes. Who among us hasn't? But were his wipes disproportionately more frequent? I doubt it. It sounds to me like he went above and beyond to compensate for his disability.
What did your guild do to compensate? It sounds like no one went out of the way for this guy. All it would have taken is a few simple macros to whisper him a specific instruction. I'm not saying that he deserved special treatment or that you should have changed the way you raid to accommodate him. I'm just saying that your raid leaders or your healing leads could have helped the guy out if they wanted to. It doesn't sound like anyone was really interested in doing so.
There's no undoing what happened at this point. He's not coming back. Chalk it up to a personal lesson learned, and if a similar situation arises in the future, use that experience to guide your actions.
You can, however, take steps to prevent the situation from being repeated. Your guild and its officers need to take a long, hard look at how your guild handles raiding. Clearly there are other problems at work here if people feel the need to scapegoat a player right out of the guild.
What happens after you wipe? Do raid leaders react with anger, or are they understanding? Are those to blame shunned and embarrassed, or are they forgiven? Is personal accountability encouraged, or do people remain silent about their own mistakes out of fear?
Figuring out how a wipe occurred is absolutely vital. Ideally, the person who caused it or who made a mistake that contributed to the failure will speak up. That way, no one needs to point the finger and everyone can learn from that error. Adjustments can be made and your raid can do better next time. For that to happen, however, your leadership needs to create an environment where people feel comfortable doing so. Right now, you don't have that environment.
One final point: The fact that people thought the druid didn't deserve loot due to a rule that he couldn't possibly meet is ridiculous. I mean, seriously.
Seriously.
As for the Vent rule itself, it makes sense if you have to bring in PUG players, since it can be difficult sometimes to get random people into your Vent channel. Denying them loot is an effective way to make sure they're logged in. However, if you have actual guild members who are too lazy to log in or -- even worse -- who can't be bothered to listen to Vent when they do log in, then they have no business raiding with the guild.
Are those players still raiding with you? If so, that speaks volumes about the lackluster level of effort that members are putting into your raids. If people care so little, why do they even bother showing up? And why do you invite them? Find players who care. Replace the ones who so obviously don't. Then, hopefully, your guild won't need to find any more scapegoats.
Vent is an important communication tool, and communication is a huge part of raiding success. If people are willfully ignoring that, then they're just disabling themselves.
/salute
Send Scott your guild-related questions, conundrums, ideas, and suggestions at scott@wow.com. You may find your question the subject of next week's Officers' Quarters!
Wipes are a fact of life. Everyone wipes. How you deal with these situations can be crucial to your guild's success. Some guilds cultivate an environment based on blame, where everyone's first thought after a wipe is, "Who messed up?" Sometimes, it's easy to figure out who is at fault: Someone with a spore goes the wrong way, or someone gets mind-controlled by the Blood Queen after failing to bite his assignment. When it's not easy to figure out, some guilds use a different strategy for assigning blame. Here is one such case:
I have a real dilemma.
I'm an officer, one of six, in a semi-serious raiding guild. We have 30 core raiders who raid with us, and one of them until recently was one of our druid healers, and the issue surrounding him is my dilemma. A little background information on the guild, since it is relevant, is that we have a strict rule involving loot due to some people in the past who have abused our requirement for Vent in that they wouldn't use it, or they'd log in but leave their headsets off. This caused a lot of problems with wipes and caused the officers, GM and co-GM to agree that a rule would be made that was you must be in Vent and actively listening at all times during a raid in order to be eligible for loot. This is what caused the initial problem.
The player of this druid healer I mentioned before applied to our guild and told us on the application that he is deaf.
The officers discussed it, and after looking over some World of Logs reports, we decided to give him a trial run. He outhealed our druid class officer and seemed more on spot with raid awareness. He wasn't in Vent, so we know he didn't hear us calling out for a battle rez or heavy heals on an individual, but he was always right on top of those things. He seemed to watch other healers' mana and would innervate them. After the trial run we agreed to let him into the guild. He has since raided with us now for around two months. He was there when we got our first Lich King kill on 25 and has been there consistently.
The first issue came up about two weeks after he was invited. Some of the members started to protest that he was not abiding by the rules of using Vent. After talking it over amidst ourselves, we decided to ask him to at least log into Vent. We knew it wasn't going to do him any good, and he agreed. He said it was what another guild he was in had him do and he was fine with that. Things seemed fine. Until two weeks ago.
It started with just a few complaints that soon turned into more and more complaints to various officers. We'd had a meeting about it a few nights ago and asked the guild for input on our various rules and any they felt needed to be changed, and a few other things. We used this as a quiet way to find out how people felt about the Vent rule. As it turns out, of the 24 raiding members, 15 of them felt that this healer's inability to hear us calling out for heals or battle rezzes had caused a number of wipes and the fact he was able to get gear was just an abuse of the system.
We officers had a meeting about it and with mixed decisions called the healer into the officer channel, promoting him so that he could use officer chat temporarily. Of the six officers, GM and co-GM, four officers and the GM supported kicking the druid. One officer and the co-GM felt that we should discuss this with the guild and not judge the healer for a disability he has but rather for the performance he has shown us over the past two months. I did not vote, preferring to not cause a split. I now regret that decision.
The GM stated that many of the complaints received were that he (the druid) single-handedly caused the wipes because of his inability to hear. After about 20 minutes of talking to the druid, things got a little heated and he gquit [. . .] I tried to talk to him, ask him to stay on the server, seriously thinking of quitting the guild myself over this, but he was offline. He has since transferred servers[.]
How could we have handled this differently? [. . .] I'm not sure what to do or what could have been done better. Help?
Disheartened
This is one of the most blatant cases of bandwagon scapegoating I've ever heard. It's a sad story.
Here is how I imagine it went down: Your guild was having trouble progressing. People got frustrated and started to look around for what could be holding them back. An obvious target presented itself: The person who can't hear Vent. Someone suggested that the druid could be the problem. Someone else, who probably felt bad about causing a few wipes, but didn't want anyone to know about his or her mistakes, saw an opportunity to pass the buck and echoed the original finger-pointer's sentiments. A few accusing raiders became a mob of angry guild members, they took up their pitchforks and torches, and your officers folded to the pressure. They gave the druid over to the mob.
I wasn't there, obviously, but if what you tell me is true about this player's awareness and skill, then your guild just ran a good player out of town because it's easier to blame the guy who can't hear than for everyone to look at his own mistakes and what he could have done better.
I expect that sort of behavior from normal members, but when your officers agree with them, when they surrender to the mob, what can you do? I'd say it's a failure of leadership that more officers weren't willing to stick up for this person as a solid team member. Yes, he probably did cause a couple of wipes. Who among us hasn't? But were his wipes disproportionately more frequent? I doubt it. It sounds to me like he went above and beyond to compensate for his disability.
What did your guild do to compensate? It sounds like no one went out of the way for this guy. All it would have taken is a few simple macros to whisper him a specific instruction. I'm not saying that he deserved special treatment or that you should have changed the way you raid to accommodate him. I'm just saying that your raid leaders or your healing leads could have helped the guy out if they wanted to. It doesn't sound like anyone was really interested in doing so.
There's no undoing what happened at this point. He's not coming back. Chalk it up to a personal lesson learned, and if a similar situation arises in the future, use that experience to guide your actions.
You can, however, take steps to prevent the situation from being repeated. Your guild and its officers need to take a long, hard look at how your guild handles raiding. Clearly there are other problems at work here if people feel the need to scapegoat a player right out of the guild.
What happens after you wipe? Do raid leaders react with anger, or are they understanding? Are those to blame shunned and embarrassed, or are they forgiven? Is personal accountability encouraged, or do people remain silent about their own mistakes out of fear?
Figuring out how a wipe occurred is absolutely vital. Ideally, the person who caused it or who made a mistake that contributed to the failure will speak up. That way, no one needs to point the finger and everyone can learn from that error. Adjustments can be made and your raid can do better next time. For that to happen, however, your leadership needs to create an environment where people feel comfortable doing so. Right now, you don't have that environment.
One final point: The fact that people thought the druid didn't deserve loot due to a rule that he couldn't possibly meet is ridiculous. I mean, seriously.
Seriously.
As for the Vent rule itself, it makes sense if you have to bring in PUG players, since it can be difficult sometimes to get random people into your Vent channel. Denying them loot is an effective way to make sure they're logged in. However, if you have actual guild members who are too lazy to log in or -- even worse -- who can't be bothered to listen to Vent when they do log in, then they have no business raiding with the guild.
Are those players still raiding with you? If so, that speaks volumes about the lackluster level of effort that members are putting into your raids. If people care so little, why do they even bother showing up? And why do you invite them? Find players who care. Replace the ones who so obviously don't. Then, hopefully, your guild won't need to find any more scapegoats.
Vent is an important communication tool, and communication is a huge part of raiding success. If people are willfully ignoring that, then they're just disabling themselves.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 5 of 8)
Pyromelter Aug 16th 2010 3:45PM
Now this is a guild that would be great and accommodating for what is by all appearances a great player!
node11 Aug 16th 2010 6:16PM
"...I do have 20-30% hearing loss..."
"...I have to ask others to repeat themselves with enough frequency.."
"...I won't even guess at how many ways conversations have gone wrong because of something I missed, or just being sick of asking people to repeat themselves..."
IMO that well-meaning assistant may not have been too far out of line. He/she offered a common solution to make life easier for you and the people around you.
On topic, I applaud you and the others extending support and/or guild offers. Hopefully druid did not quit WoW all together as there are a lot of really good people in the community, many of whom undoubtedly share common goals with him/her. It's my hope that the showing of support and solidarity will find its way to druid.
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Be excellent to each other.
Magma Aug 16th 2010 3:15PM
If you have any decency inside you, You should leave that guild.
Zheo Aug 16th 2010 3:16PM
What Im interested in, is who they blame NOW when they wipe.
aelastain88 Aug 16th 2010 3:17PM
Though not as sad as the people who made fun of Ezra Chatterton's death, this has to rank pretty close. I honestly hope that guild falls apart.
Cad Aug 16th 2010 3:33PM
It's things like this that can make you ashamed of the entire human race.
Sefekhi Aug 16th 2010 3:55PM
Words don't exactly fail, but I can't think of any that would get past moderation on this site. Your guild dropped the ball, hard. I've been with my guild for all three years since I started playing WoW, and have a lot of friends in it, but I'd drop it like a bad habit if they tried to pull something like this. This is sickening, and frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be associated with some of these...people.
Gerffnit Aug 16th 2010 3:37PM
I want it clear I'm not posting here for sympathy, but some advice would be great.
How, as a deaf person, do you handle those situations? What could they possibly say to quell the fires of rage? There is a prevalent theory that if you can't use vent you are a guy playing a chick. My fiancee plays a female toon and is deaf. I can't even begin to imagine how she deal with the constant rejection because they claim she isn't and just boot her.
I watched her in an ICC raid against Sinny that went bad single-handedly save them from a wipe and win the day. Immediately following the fight, they told her she was being removed so they could have a "normal" healer take her place! WTH?!?! I was outraged, but she calmly thanked them for letting her come along and told them to call her again if they needed more help. She was summarily dismissed from the guild after because she wasn't deaf, but a fat old man playing a chick.
I know she never says a thing, but I see how it hurts...what can I possibly do to help her? I'm at my own wits end with guilds like the one in this article, of which there are many.
Xtofer Aug 16th 2010 3:45PM
Man, that sucks. There's a problem with people automatically reacting to in-game situations with cynicism and distrust. I think that's sad because there are really good people in this game that deserve better.
ladyxunknownrose Aug 16th 2010 3:47PM
I think your fiance(Which must I say congratz) and you should start your own guild and make sure that the guild is very understanding about the fact that she is deaf.And if it helps add more others just like her to help her.I know making a guild is a pain but its worth it in the end.Specially when you can prevent something like that :).I seriously dont like the way that people these days are handling this. And it really annoys me deeply specially when they say "Normal" not every one is normal.We all have flaws.(Like being deaf,Overweighted,Being able to witness something others cant understand and so on. or being called the outcast because of your weirdness(Which is where I fit in the abnormal group)).I hope this tip helps you.And if it doesnt tell your fiance I said I hope she finds a guild who understands.
feniks9174 Aug 16th 2010 3:51PM
My only suggestion would be to find a guild that isn't full of morons.
Srsly, if my guild booted every guy who played a girl toon, we'd lose half the guild. Personally, I exclusively play female Blood Elf toons and I'm a 26 year old guy with a wife and two kids. Our best holy pally, our best priest, our last GM, our 2nd best tree, myself . . . all guys with girl toons.
Props for the way she handled it, though. Anyone who can keep their cool under abuse that blatant and unfounded has my respect.
Pyromelter Aug 16th 2010 3:54PM
Unfortunately gerf, WoW is set up as a game where voice communication enhances the gameplay so much that it is almost mandatory. And there are certain encounters where voice chat is absolutely necessary (speaking mostly of hardmodes here).
The only advice I can give is to find a group of people who are cool about it and understand the situation, and are fine adjusting to a deaf person. I think your wife got an even worse deal than the druid discussed in the above letter, because she proved herself and then was kicked from the raid and guild for being a liar.
You are definitely right though, there aren't a lot of guilds or raids that are accommodating to deaf people. If you have any inkling of raid-leading, you might just want to start your own raids or even a guild. That's the only 100% for sure way that you can assure yourself and her that she will never be kicked for being an old fat man playing a chick.
I really have to think that somewhere out there there is a guild that is friendly to the hearing-impaired. Maybe the Classifieds can send out a call for guilds like this. I know a great guy on my server who would love to join a guild like that.
Grapes Aug 16th 2010 3:54PM
At this point I'm probably a little jaded, so maybe I'm not the best person to give advice. Whenever I'm passed over or removed due to a "vent-problem", I just tell myself that I probably don't want to play with those *!%@$ anyway. It hurts, but I haven't found a way around it just yet. The truth is that I just like to play. I don't even need to like my fellow raid members to enjoy the game. I just need to find raid members that don't care about vent.
As much as I like endgame, I tend to level new toons, master the AH, or find heroic 5-mans to solo (I'm going to actually finish one eventually).
Gerffnit Aug 16th 2010 4:06PM
Thanks everyone! I know that trying to run a guild isn't something she or I have time for really. We are casual gamers/raiders but she is a solid player and I feel bad she is so often removed because of something she has no way to fix. We've even gotten voice-to-text programs but they crash vent and she can't effectively read all the chat AND keep healing/tanking.
We are even on a Role Play server where we hoped such biases would be less frequent. But even there she takes it. Thanks for the comments though everyone, we'll keep looking for a guild, that diamond in the rough I guess.
And to all you others struggling with this...Hang in there, there are a lot of us that understand. Maybe this article will help people to be more tolerant as well.
Kunikenwad! Aug 16th 2010 5:02PM
@ Gerffnit
I'd be interested in seeing what RP realm you play on, along with tossing you an invite to come to Blackwater Raiders (RP)-US; it's the friendliest, kookiest little server this side of the Alterac Mountains.
Kuro Aug 16th 2010 7:22PM
@Gerffnit:
Investigate Proudmoore-US. Both Horde and Alliance are fairly progressed in terms of raiding, a high N.Amer. and Australasian populations mean you'll likely not have trouble finding a raid group for your time period, and the GLBT population has a lot of 'refugees' who've left other servers due to tolerance issues. "On my old server...." is a common refrain I hear all the time...
I've raided most of ICC and TOC while logged into vent.... total silence from all parties invovled. Granted, it wasn't progression content, but most are non-issues. Battlerezzing priorities and healing assignments can be done beforehand without the use of audio queues.
Carianna Aug 17th 2010 7:21AM
The best way to deal with this type of situation is to realize that they aren't worth your time. You are never going to be able to change a narrow-minded person, so don't waste your time and energy on them. There are plenty of people in this game who are willing to make the WoW playing field as level as possible for gamers with disabilities, you just have to find them.
PirateHunter Aug 16th 2010 3:39PM
If an employer behaved in the same way as that guild, they would be facing a discrimination case, employment tribunals, and possible bad press.
No legislating for asshats in games unfortunately.
ladyxunknownrose Aug 16th 2010 3:41PM
Reading this makes me more on a slightly angry mood.I understand the whole vent requirements.But blaming a healer for wipes that can happen at anytime on a raid, And even if the guild is a big/badass guild doesnt mean they cant feel a wipe once in a while.I think your GM and some of the officers were in a wrong,Along with your whole guild. if they couldnt comprehend the way that druid had been deaf and such they shouldnt have to be such jerks about it.They could've just ask the druid in /Raid or such to rez/heal them instead of getting heated about something that can be fixed with a whisper or a chat thing.I think the healer in question may have been aware that he was or had been one of the causes for a wipe.But didnt have to put up a fight to show it.I think when he transferred he had all rights to it.I wouldnt stand a minute in a guild that couldnt understand my disability and told me that I was the reason for most wipes.The worse fact is they easily targeted him for his deafness.Who targets a deaf guy?,None the less one that could easily heal a raid to the lich king and defeat him?.Your guild lost a healer a great one at that.And for they are morons because of that. In my guild we have a deaf guy also but we dont boot him out because of his disability, We root him on because hes pretty funny to talk to :). But all in all your guild had been in a wrong lane for that.
ithalaine Aug 16th 2010 3:51PM
one thinck im not sure anyones said is try to find out who origanily blamed the druid as otherwise it might happen again