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8-18-2010 @ 4:19PM
Dispersion is awesome. If priests don't like it, then priests shouldn't take it.
8-18-2010 @ 4:31PM
Yes, it's awesome for PvP. It's only moderately awesome for PvE. It's not an ability that defines your spec in PvE, and that's what a lot of people want. Dispersion in PvE is a mana potion (that's not necessary most of the time) and a shield wall with a dps loss attached.
8-18-2010 @ 4:36PM
It's a shame that you can't have any damage ticking on the target while you're dispersed, then.Oh wait, shadowpriests totally have DoTs that tick on the target while they're dispersed.And, if you're using it for damage mitigation, then it only needs to be up for the moment that damage is dealt. If a Pungent Blight is imminent on Festergut, then I can be dispersed for less than a quarter of a second and avoid the massive damage. It's not hard. Just activate Dispersion again when the damage has passed.
8-18-2010 @ 4:49PM
Josh, if you can tell me where I can get a Shield Wall that reduces incoming damage by 90%, I would happily trade being unable to cast or even melee for six seconds for that. 90% is huge, huge, huge. For PvE, I'd sacrifice goats to Ba'al for a 90% shield wall.In PvP, shield wall has a pretty hefty DPS loss attached. Of course, it's not a silence, but then again, it hardly reduces incoming damage by 90%.
8-18-2010 @ 5:01PM
It's as, if not more, awesome as the current 51 point talent for DK tanks.
8-18-2010 @ 5:05PM
Well, Matt... That's pretty much my point. Dispersion in PvE is an excellent tank ability but as you are aware, shadow priests are not tanks. It does give us the ability to survive certain things we wouldn't otherwise be able to, but those situations are few and far between. A shadow priest's primary job in PvE is to deal damage. Dispersion does not help that job (unless you're having serious mana trouble or your healers hate you). We have a bottom tier talent that a tank wants and a caster doesn't, that should say something.As far as the dots thing... it's still a dps loss. Sure you can load up your dots right before using dispersion but what would you be doing if you weren't dispersed in a normal rotation? You wouldn't be just standing around, you'd be spamming mind flay or something. Therefore, yes, it is definitely a dps loss.
8-18-2010 @ 5:12PM
@RossiWould you take it as a your 31 point talent? In Fury or Arms tree? It's not like anyone is saying Dispersion is useless, especially in a PVP setting. For PVE though it is not that impressive an ability. It is a nice ability but its uses are limited. How would a fury warrior feel if I took away titans grip but gave them a 90% damage reduction ability? Or what if enhancement shamans had a buffed up 90% damage reduction shammy rage instead of spirit wolves? If you consider the fact that many boss abilities this expansion have pierced through Dispersion and you get what you have now with spriests. It's not a bad ability. It's just not a class defining 31 point ability that almost all other specs get.@AvanWithout being able to cast mind flay and mind blast your DPS drops dramtically. The point is this Avan, as a PVE spriest you try to avoid reasons to use that ability because of the loss. Ideally, a spriest will NEVER have to use it. It's just not frickin cool that our 31 point ability is a button that we never want to press. And when we do press it we immediately want to turn it off, as you already pointed out.
8-18-2010 @ 5:17PM
I'm not sure how useful the mana regen will be in the Cataclysm model, though. DPS casters aren't supposed to worry about mana nearly as much.Regarding Dispersion's comparisons to other 31-point talents, though, I don't think it's quite fair. They almost all have their complaints. Even Holy's Guardian Spirit has issues - the 40% healing is sorta nice, but the guaranteed-live-saver-that-may-or-may-not-even-go-off is a bit of an issue, as people often die while I'm waiting for the global cooldown on my last spell to wear off. The (hopefully makes it to Cataclysm) glyph definitely makes it much less of an issue, but still...
8-18-2010 @ 6:03PM
@loopI don't recall seeing that mana would not be an issue for damage dealing casters in Cataclysm. Only that we would have other means of restoring mana than Spirit or MP5.
8-18-2010 @ 6:34PM
Dispersion is slightly unsatisfying where it is, but it's not like other dps trees where class damage is balanced around the 31-point talent.
8-18-2010 @ 7:12PM
Let's see... Bladestorm v. Dispersion.If I told a PvE focused shadow priest that once a minute you could hit a button that would do massive single target and aoe damage for 6 seconds, or you could hit a button and do no extra damage but take 90% less damage while gaining 10,000 mana over 6 seconds, which would you prefer?Let the Shadow Council speaketh!
8-18-2010 @ 7:27PM
Dispersion, but I truly, truly despise the Bladestorm animation.
8-18-2010 @ 9:35PM
@ Rossi....90% damage reduction is huge but it's not enough, especially in pvp, when you're going up against classes that crit in ICC gear for 15-20K. Let me say that again, THEY CRIT FOR 15-20K. Even with resilience, a bubble, AND dispersion, there's still a SIGNIFICANT amount damage to be taken when you are but a big ball of shadow fart.Not to mention that as a floating ball of shadow fart, you can still be deathgripped (how the hell do you grab AIR?!), frozen in place, rooted, AND TAKE FALL DAMAGE!!!! (exactly how that happens when you're a BIG BALL OF FART is beyond me).Dispersion has it's usefulness (mostly in raid encounters) but as an escape tool, which you would think would be its most useful trait...it just plain sucks and fails me almost every time I use it.
8-18-2010 @ 10:12PM
@aramis:Oh no, they crit for 15-20k. Have you seen some of the replies of people claiming to negate 45 MILLION damage? That's 3000 times more damage than those measily crits.
8-18-2010 @ 10:21PM
I'm decidedly in the Dispersion-is-Awesome camp. It was definitely a game changer, in a way that I'm sure something like Titan Grip is not. It changed whole encounters, letting us outright ignore certain mechanics. It has led to WAY more "holy crap, that right there? That was epic just now" moments than any other DPS crowning talent. It's right up there with Guardian Spirit for talents that you can point to and say "yep, that cast right there saved the whole encounter," because eating floor while the rest of the group goes on to win the fight feels as bad as a wipe to me.Do I wish our crowning talent was a DPS talent? Yes, but I'd be loath to lose Dispersion. A new DPS crowning talent would lead to a re-balance of the rest of our spec, and our DPS would come out about the same. The only thing that would change is our rotation (or maybe not even that, a la Titan Grip.) I do like the fact that the shadow "rotation" is much more fluid and situation-dependent than some other specs, and I would embrace anything that made it more so, but it wouldn't be worth the loss of Dispersion to me.That said, if Dispersion was moved higher in the tree, well, I'd have no problem with that.
8-18-2010 @ 10:52PM
I don't think anyone is saying that Dispersion should go away...it just shouldn't be the 31 point talent when all other DPS classes receive an offensive ability. Add a DOT refresh when you pop it and then maybe it would be worth it.Frankly I'd rather see some other ability like the HoR Ghostly Priest's Circle of Destruction or some other type of offensive ability. Heck...even Disc spec has an offensive ability in Penance. What gives?!
8-18-2010 @ 11:16PM
@Rodbo:Penance isn't Disc's 31-point talent anymore. They get it just for specializing in it. Their new 31-point talent is PW: Barrier.
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