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8-20-2010 @ 3:05PM
The PVE Arms hate is really disturbing. Is Arms as good as Fury? Of course not. But its not a D grade spec either. Its not Frost, Subtelty, or Beast Mastery. Its more like Blood and Survival. Not necessarily optimal, but in the hands of a skilled player, very powerful, especially if you need the buff they bring.I was asked to go Arms before the Mangle buff (and before we used a bear) and just stuck with it after that because my damage was not suffering in the slightest.
8-20-2010 @ 3:08PM
Oh, and it would also be very easy to buff Arms DPS without buffing Fury: Deep Arms talent to let Deep Wounds crit. Make it increase the CD on Charge/Intercept to keep PVP down.
8-20-2010 @ 3:10PM
Unfortunately, it is basically as bad as Beast Mastery or Subtlety, and certainly inferior to Blood or Survival, as the numbers in Brian's post (linked to in the article) indicate. It's a notch above frost, I'll give it that.Going arms over fury for DPS costs me 3k DPS in ICC. I actually love the playstyle, but the DPS output is just not where it should be if you want raid viability. On the average parse in Brian's excellent article, arms was at 7.9k DPS to Fury's 9.3k. That was before the buff reached 30%, of course. Both specs do significantly more now, but fury is still the wide margin leader.
8-20-2010 @ 3:41PM
Just want to put a raw number to rossi's damage output:If a fight lasts, say, 6 minutes, 3k dps is over 1 million damage. I think most raiders and raid leaders would find the loss of 1 million damage to be too much, as that kind of damage can really be the difference between a kill and a wipe.
8-20-2010 @ 4:35PM
That's just simply not true. I raid with a BM hunter (don't ask). The guy is good. He's constantly ranking on WoL like every fight (yeah, yeah. For BM hunters. I know there's not a whole lot of them, but still). He does as well as its possible for a BM hunter to do. Yet I out-DPS him (as Arms) by 3-4K every single fight. I won't claim my guild is an amazing collection of incredible players, but we're not scrubs either. The only people who beat me on any sort of regular basis are our Fury warrior (with Shadowmourne BTW) and Fire mage.I just don't think there are all that many people who *want* to play Arms and are appropriately geared for it. It's people doing PVE in PVP spec/gear, tanks in their offspec hodgepodge gear, or Fury warriors being forced to bring Trauma/Blood Frenzy.
8-20-2010 @ 5:10PM
Just for the record, GC did weigh in on failed ICC specs and he confirmed the devs were of the opinion that arms was 1 of the 4 specs where they failed to deliver.http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26435283536/dude-why-my-totem/"Yet, even though Enhance's dps was low, there were thousands of dps shaman raiding ICC. By far the majority of raids had at least one. The only specs we really failed on in LK raiding were Frost mage, Subtlety rogue, BM hunter and Arms warrior. "
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