actually, it'll be every 45 seconds, which means you'll be without thorns for 25 seconds!

Congratulations druids, your thorn spell has managed to make old-school paladin seals look awesome!

mmm, cause Bears never use thorns for that extra bit of threat. I guess they can just shift into caster form once every 45 seconds, that seems like a great idea

Sven, sorry, but are you trying to say that bears aren't intimidating and threatening enough on their own? What are you, a bear cub?


Seriously though, yeah, it does suck, it was a nice source of passive threat, similar to the old-school holy shield charges of protection paladins. It could work as a way of gaining threat faster though at the beginning of a fight, pop it then charge in immediately, since my understanding is bears follow the same flaw as warrior tanks in that they NEED a ramp-up time, this would help ease that.

Wish they'd put some interactivity in though, like let us have the original thorn skill, but if we wanted, ask a mage to light us up, and charge in as a bear covered in fiery thorns... that would be badass.

well, if they allow thorns to be cast in bear form, without breaking shapeshift, i won't be opposed to the change. it'd be a nifty little AE threat cooldown, kind of like the shield block/damage shield combo that a warrior can use. actually, if it can be cast as a bear without shifting back to caster and no-armor, i'll be 100% in favor of the change.

without in-form use for bears, it'll be a pretty crappy change for feral tanks... granted, thorns wasn't much threat, but it helped against healer aggro early game in particular.

They've been trying to get rid of passive threat across the board. Warriors lost damage shield and paladins have a consecrate cd of 45 seconds.

@themightysven

Your guild only runs with 1 druid, eh? Well I guess it would be too much of a dps loss for a balance druid to cast it on the bear. And if a resto druid used one of his GCDs on the spell, half the raid and one of the tanks would surely die due to lack of healing.

@Kazeko

ah. hadn't noticed the damage shield change. i figure i'll probably play my warrior no matter what they throw at him and consequently follow warrior changes less closely than other classes... fingers crossed they add back some sort of Damage Shield-like boost to "Heavy Repercussions" even at the cost of the double shield slam damage during shield block that the talent currently grants. maybe 50% SS damage but a small reflect on attack would be the idea mix.

in the meanwhile, anyone want to take bets on how long Retribution Aura will stick around?