Gold Capped: Ask an auctioneer -- time is money
This week's Gold Capped (from Basil "Euripides" Berntsen) is brought to you by the letter "s." Shortly followed by the letters "t," "e," "a" and "k." I'm in Texas on day job business, and nobody -- I'll tell you what, nobody -- does steak as well as Texas. The barbeque here is also pretty darn good. Mmm, meat. Oh yeah, and it's like a bajillion degrees out all the time. It's so hot that the wind doesn't cool you down; it makes you hotter! Want to make money on the auction house? For the inside line on crafting for disenchanting, transmutation, cross-faction arbitrage and more, check in every Wednesday. Also, feel free to email Basil any comments, questions or hate mail!
I swear on everything that's good and just in the world that I will eventually dig myself out from under these emails. If you ever stop sending them, that is. So if I don't get back to you in a few weeks or so, try emailing me on my podcast email and see if you have better luck there.
Luca asks:
Luca, I have two pieces of advice for you. First, learn how and when to use automation. Auctioneer's Snatch tool can be a huge source of lost profits and wasted time if you use it incorrectly or don't keep it up to date. This is true of any automation, but especially true when it comes to buying. Selling has an undo button of sorts, as you can cancel an auction. Buying is a one-way ticket. Still, so long as you make more good moves than bad with automation, you're hopefully still in the black. Keep your snatch prices up to date and always think before clicking "buy" when it makes a suggestion.
Secondly, you have two options for your unwanted and overpriced bars. You can either undercut and sell them fast, liberating money you can use to make profits elsewhere, or if time rather than investment capital is your limiting factor, you can "overcut" and wait for someone to buy out all the reasonably priced bronze. The overcutting method will take longer and has an inherently higher risk of returned auctions but can potentially get you your money back. Check the Undermine Journal (or Market Watcher, if the Undermine Journal isn't yet available for your realm) to see when the demand is typically highest, and limit your auctions for those times.
Speaking of limiting factors, I would suggest that taking a good look at your business and determine what it is. Money, time, profession availability and inventory space are all common ones. My business is limited mostly by time but also by inventory space and professions. I don't have the time to do everything I'm capable of, I take more time crafting than I would if I had less inventory (longer AFK stretches means more efficient crafting), and I don't have the time to level another character to get the last two maxed-out profession slots I want. I know my limitations and work around them.
My old pal Kheldul writes:
Bill asks:
It's helpful to understand what you're really doing when you try to flip for a profit like this: You're basically acting as a market maker or broker. You assume the risk of unsold inventory in exchange for the potential of a profit without a large time investment. It's similar to ticket scalpers outside hockey games. The key difference is that while the NHL tries to prevent scalpers because there are a fixed number of seats for sale, your suppliers won't even notice what you're doing and will simply manufacture more next week to meet the "increased demand." The process of flipping has a net effect of depressing prices.
Still, there's money to be made if you can stomach the risk and occasional losses. It's a real thrill when it works! Still, don't put all your eggs in this basket. You should always try to have a couple of reliable markets that you can count on to keep you afloat when you make a bad move, so level that profession!
Maximize your profits with more advice from Gold Capped, plus the author's Call to Auction podcast. Do you have questions about selling, reselling and building your financial empire on the auction house? Basil is now taking questions for a special series, "Ask an auctioneer," at basil@wow.com.
I swear on everything that's good and just in the world that I will eventually dig myself out from under these emails. If you ever stop sending them, that is. So if I don't get back to you in a few weeks or so, try emailing me on my podcast email and see if you have better luck there.
Luca asks:
Thanks to a misapplication of the snatch tool, I recently found myself the unhappy owner of a ridiculously large stock of bronze bars, purchased at around 100 percent of their regular value (which seems only ever to go down since). I'd like to try to recover my profits as best I can, having learned my lesson -- any ideas? Should I simply wait it out and leak them back into the economy slowly or try something more daring?
Luca, I have two pieces of advice for you. First, learn how and when to use automation. Auctioneer's Snatch tool can be a huge source of lost profits and wasted time if you use it incorrectly or don't keep it up to date. This is true of any automation, but especially true when it comes to buying. Selling has an undo button of sorts, as you can cancel an auction. Buying is a one-way ticket. Still, so long as you make more good moves than bad with automation, you're hopefully still in the black. Keep your snatch prices up to date and always think before clicking "buy" when it makes a suggestion.
Secondly, you have two options for your unwanted and overpriced bars. You can either undercut and sell them fast, liberating money you can use to make profits elsewhere, or if time rather than investment capital is your limiting factor, you can "overcut" and wait for someone to buy out all the reasonably priced bronze. The overcutting method will take longer and has an inherently higher risk of returned auctions but can potentially get you your money back. Check the Undermine Journal (or Market Watcher, if the Undermine Journal isn't yet available for your realm) to see when the demand is typically highest, and limit your auctions for those times.
Speaking of limiting factors, I would suggest that taking a good look at your business and determine what it is. Money, time, profession availability and inventory space are all common ones. My business is limited mostly by time but also by inventory space and professions. I don't have the time to do everything I'm capable of, I take more time crafting than I would if I had less inventory (longer AFK stretches means more efficient crafting), and I don't have the time to level another character to get the last two maxed-out profession slots I want. I know my limitations and work around them.
My old pal Kheldul writes:
I'm betting that the inflation will be about as much as we saw in the last expansion launch. You asked the right question about dailies; the majority of money coming into the economy is from quest rewards and monster loot, and the only place money leaves the economy is gold sinks. I am fairly certain that quests will reward more money and that more loot will drop, and I haven't heard of any significant increases to the gold sinks. Still, 70k will be out of reach of almost the same percent of players as it is now. The difference will be that your buyers have more money, so you'll find it easier to make gold on the AH.I had been making fairly decent gold "creating value" on the AH. I'm up to about 70k gold. I'm wondering what kind of inflation or deflation may occur due to the influx of players leveling up to 85 will be. Will people land at 85 with gold or without? Will dailies earn 1000g/hour? Will my 70k of gold be able to buy my main a couple epic BoEs, or will it get me a cheeseburger and small Coke?
Bill asks:
It's not a waste, but it's still a risk. When it works, it's like printing money, but when it doesn't work, you've put hours of effort and work into earning negative profits. That's a hard pill to swallow, and some people can't take the risk. The upside is that you can scale this business very easily; the more money you have, the more profits you can make, until you reach an equilibrium where you have evened out the supply across the week.One thing I'd like to know is if there's real money to be made in reselling for profit. Gold Capped has covered market swings and I get that, but is it worth my time to be buying cheap raid supplies on Saturdays and reselling them on Tuesdays? Are there specific methods aside from manually tracking the swing on specific items each week for predicting profit? Is buying items shown to be at a lower percentage in Auctioneer a real noob maneuver?
I really appreciate your help. If I'm wasting my time trying to take advantage of market swings and reselling and I'd be better off just leveling a profession and trying to corner a market, let me know.
It's helpful to understand what you're really doing when you try to flip for a profit like this: You're basically acting as a market maker or broker. You assume the risk of unsold inventory in exchange for the potential of a profit without a large time investment. It's similar to ticket scalpers outside hockey games. The key difference is that while the NHL tries to prevent scalpers because there are a fixed number of seats for sale, your suppliers won't even notice what you're doing and will simply manufacture more next week to meet the "increased demand." The process of flipping has a net effect of depressing prices.
Still, there's money to be made if you can stomach the risk and occasional losses. It's a real thrill when it works! Still, don't put all your eggs in this basket. You should always try to have a couple of reliable markets that you can count on to keep you afloat when you make a bad move, so level that profession!
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Mellisande Aug 25th 2010 7:45PM
Depending on how much free space you have, you could always hold onto those bars until Cataclysm and then sell them for some ridiculous amount to the guys power-leveling their worgen/druid blacksmiths/engineers. I'm starting to do that with some mats, but it does mean that they're cluttering your inventory for several months...
Acitamos Aug 25th 2010 9:01PM
I think lower level ore will drop in price quite a bit with the introduction of flying mounts in thr old worlds. The same holds true with herbs.
Amaxe Aug 25th 2010 10:54PM
Alternately you could save them for your own alts, which is what I will do. The market may glut or skyrocket, but my future worgen warrior is preparing for mining/engineering, which leaves the saved money for things like 310% flying for my mains and swift flight for the future toons.
It's my hope come Cataclysm I won't have to buy much of anything for leveling the first toon.
Wolfromm Aug 25th 2010 8:03PM
If you have an engineer you can turn them into bronze tubes. Folks doing quests in Darkshire always need them for the quest to build that guy a telescope and you can probably even turn a profit at it.
Cyno01 Aug 25th 2010 8:53PM
I was gonna suggest this, any time i get a few bronze bars, from low level chests or whatever, i throw em to my engineer to make a few tubes.
kw Aug 26th 2010 9:19AM
Bear in mind that come Cataclysm, that quest is going away, so you have to consider how many tubes you can sell in the next few months. The quest giver still wants Blind Mary's mirror and the gem from that ogre, but the Bronze Tube part of the chain is gone. I leveled a toon through Duskwood on the beta last week and was personally pleasantly surprised :)
Artificial Aug 25th 2010 8:24PM
Ah, Texas... what a country... :)
verdian Aug 25th 2010 8:56PM
Yay! Aussie money! You can put it through the wash and it's still good
BigDumbFace Aug 25th 2010 11:09PM
Laundering your money? *badumptsh*
Thank you, i'll be here all the week.
Jack Spicer Aug 25th 2010 8:58PM
In vanilla, unless you were trying to save your money, it seemed that you always had 100gs. In BC it was 1k, and Wrath seems like 5k. Inflation isn't too bad.
Noyou Aug 25th 2010 9:21PM
Question: How is using an addon for automated AH purposes not considered botting? To me it's no different than using a program to fish or mine. What is Blizzard's stance on them?
Basil Berntsen Aug 25th 2010 10:49PM
One hardware action per event is not botting. Automation just shows you a box you can click, it doesn't actually buy for it for you.
Neirin Aug 25th 2010 10:52PM
It's still at least 1 click per transaction. A bot would let you get up, go to work, spend all day doing something, then come back to find gold in your mailbox.
Krz Aug 26th 2010 12:27AM
Wow.
Our (Australian) money looks really, really good. 0.O
hobbes365 Aug 26th 2010 5:04AM
I love the Aussie money! It's pretty, and even the aussies I know can take the joke about monopoly money and turn it around by saying it looks better than the US dollar.
Still, I'm a bit partial to my dead presidents and calling 100's Benjamins.
Dawn Moore Aug 26th 2010 9:02PM
I like that it doesn't tear. ^^
Mardoc Aug 27th 2010 12:23PM
Go for a swim in the ocean and forget to take your wallet out of your back pocket? No problem! Your quality leather might take a beating, you might get eaten by a shark, but fear not! Your money will be just fine.
Morighan Aug 26th 2010 2:33AM
I don't know what it is, but I'm horrid at making money on the AH. I have a Grand Master of every profession bar Leatherworking & Enchanting (they're only Master), but no matter what market I try and get into, I never get anywhere.
Tried the Glyph market, checked what was selling on The Undermine and made four or so of half a dozen kinds of glyphs (decided to start small). I was selling around one glyph every three days, then it just stopped and I couldn't move anything. I tried halving the market price (selling for 20g rather than 40), didn't budge (even when I was the cheapest seller).
Tried selling cut gems, and this worked for a few days before the cuts that I could make that were profitable plummeted from 130g to 80g (same as uncut).
Eternal Belt Buckles? Sold a few, then suddenly and undercutting war starts and they're selling for 20g and pretty much mats price. This seems a common cycle for them.
Runescrolls of Fort? Managed to sell three stacks, and it took a week and a half to move them at a profit.
Titanium plating/spikes? Never seem to go above mats price (at least not when I'm looking).
Investigated the Epic arrows market. After a fortnight of watching I found that on a good day like Wednesday or Saturday they'll make around a 1g/stack profit, and some days sell for less than mats price.
Tried the 'sell cooking patterns' route that a friend used to get enough gold in a few weeks for her Grand Mammoth. One day in all prices crash (50g to 50s kind of crash) as four others leap into the market.
Verdict seems to be that I suck at the WoW Market =)
kooda Aug 26th 2010 3:28AM
This happened to me as well im now stuck in a rut making 600g'ish from the AH each month and it is NOT fun the ore market on my server dead nobody puts cobalt or saronite on anymore and when i move to that market nobody buys, ever, its starting to be fruitless and frankly im pretty sick of it i'd like some sort of saving grace but theres nothing to fall back on that i can sell without stepping all of someone elses market and getting wiped off it instantly by an automaton.
Darthbragg Aug 26th 2010 10:17AM
I set myself a goal to make 100k out of 1k and in two months reached it. I didn’t buy any books and didn’t know much about the ah to start with. I have a lot of people telling me the same things you guys are saying and I have one piece of advice. Work in a market you know. My first toon was a BS warrior so I knew how much plate gear was worth. I started selling ICC gear using the Sparkys Workshop addon to tell me when items were a waste of time but more importantly I knew what pieces of gear I would want. From there I started paying more attention to ore prices vs smelted and then Alchemy but it all started from that one point.
It sounds like you’re trying to go all over the market to find a nitch when I think you would be better served to learn one small part of the market and branch out from there. Start with a few items, list them on the ah at the price you want to get plus the ah cut, then set a fallback price and be willing to go to it in trade. People will start to know you and you’ll see more and more chances to buy from mat sellers. If the ore market on your server sucks go right to the farmers. Plant yourself out there in peak time and offer to buy from them for total value. They save time and you get the product.