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8-27-2010 @ 1:09PM
I cannot say how much I wish the Drama Buster for this week would be starred, glittered, and maybe sparkle-ized. I queue as a healer with a tank, and it is very annoying to port into a dungeon only to have a dps ask for a repair bot because he didn't repair and one of his weapons is red. Or a huntard have to port out to go buy arrows because he didn't buy any while he was waiting in the queue. Or that ret pally needs to borrow some symbols of kings if anyone wants a buff that lasts more than 10 minutes. I get that waiting 30 minutes in the queue as dps is boring, but you can't use any of that time to get your stuff together?
8-27-2010 @ 1:28PM
What you may not realize Cheb, is that since DPS have a 30min queue we often go on questing or doing w/e else we need to do. Sometimes that queue pops up short of us having time to get back and repair before we expect the queue to pop. I typically carry 400-500 kings symbols on me and 20-30 divinity symbols and I try to keep my equipment repaired after every run or 5-10 quests. However, I'm not perfect (just like you) and sometimes I forget to check my reagents, or didn't have a chance to repair. Not knowing if you'll be running in 10 minutes or (literally) 1.5 hours from the time you enter the queue is a problem.tl:dr: Quit whining - you are no better than the other people playing
8-27-2010 @ 1:40PM
Methinks bored_dps doth protest too much. Asking for the common courtesy of you being prepared for an instance when you put yourself in LFD is not whining.
8-27-2010 @ 1:54PM
Also, if you bothered to read my comment, I carry eveyrthing I need and I can count on one hand the number of times I've slowed up a run for a whopping 60 seconds. This isn't something happening every day.My point was a bit caustic - so I apologize for that. I'm just sick of this holier-than-thou attitude that is so pervasive in the tank/healer communities. Stop judging all dps because of a few bad apples. I don't judge all tanks from the level 58 DKs trying to tank Ramparts, so stop judging all dps based off your experience with a new player.
8-27-2010 @ 2:00PM
@Bored_DPS: "What you may not realize Cheb, is that since DPS have a 30min queue we often go on questing"Give us a break huh? YOU are part of the problem I can see. Repair, buy ammo, buy reagents, check the AH, get your gems / enchants, etc, etc, etc BEFORE YOU quest,BG,scratch nutts, etc, etc.The point is there is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for DPS to not be ready. Tanks with insta queue's are another story ... healers with 2-5 min waits could maybe-sorta-not-really have an excuse.
8-27-2010 @ 2:05PM
@bored_dps: "so I apologize for that. I'm just sick of this holier-than-thou attitude that is so pervasive in the tank/healer communities."And the rest of us are sick of DPS slowing down the instance. Face it ... DPS is a DIME-A-DOZEN and you can EASILY be replaced. That's not elitism, it's a FACT. So where you migth be "sick of holier" attitude, we are sick of getting our time wasted ... and consequently, making runs go slower and making DPS have to wait around longer for us to finish and requeue.
Well, really, there's no excuse to not be ready, imo. If you know you have a fast queue, get everything you need done first, then queue. It does not take that long to repair and buy reagents. If you don't lag, you could probably hearth back to Dal, repair, and buy reagents and still be able to hit the accept button on the Dungeon Finder if you hearthed right after it popped up.@bored_dps:"I'm just sick of this holier-than-thou attitude that is so pervasive in the tank/healer communities. Stop judging all dps because of a few bad apples."Asking dps to be prepared for something they signed up for is a 'holier than thou attitude'? And those are what we call 'examples'. I do several runs with LFD, and by and large, people are great. But that Drama Buster does need to be starred, glittered, and sparkle-ized for people, because there are still people who think it's ok to waste everyone else's time. And that's just rude.
8-27-2010 @ 2:27PM
LOL I find this whole discussion humorous.You guys do realize you are arguing about delaying an instance that most people faceroll in less time than the average sitcom?60 seconds? 2 minutes? Big deal. What about when the tanks that drop group after a single wipe in HOR without an explanation and the heals follows? The fact of the matter is that with 5-mans being so easy now, we take for granted that it used to be a luxury to have a ready made group go into a random dungeon, much less multiple random dungeons in a row. Should you be fully prepared for a run with all your reagent? Yes, however, if you find yourself without any, it takes, what, 2 minutes to hearth, get the reagents, and then port back to the instance? Learn some patience, and everyone will be happier.Signed, Well Prepared DPS
8-27-2010 @ 2:32PM
See; the solution to this would be to abandon the idea that the run should start the second an instance que ends. You've waited half an hour, you can wait another 2 minutes while every repairs/stocksup before teleporting to the instance. Blizzard could change this simply by have instance teleports not be automatic.
Perhaps you should have READ the points Bored_Dps made.DPS... we sometimes have no clue when are que will pop. If I que up while questing, and I see a 28 minute que, I will usually quest for 20 of those minutes pop into Dalaran and get all my ammo/regeants and such, and then go fishing or something. Basically, I have a timetable planned....But then, every now and again, the que will pop in 5 minutes when it says 30. We qued in the middle of nowehere. Heck, we might be on our way to Dalaran and it popped even though it said we had plenty of time. Well, frick.THESE are the instances Bored_DPS is saying applies to a lot of good dps. We don't have the leisure that healers and tanks do of simply getting stuff the popping into a instant que. We just don't. And so, every now and again, this will come to bite us on the butt in the form of not enough ammo. Or missing regeants. Or other such annoyances.
8-27-2010 @ 2:40PM
I agree, that everyone should have the reagents they need. Normally I carry plenty of water and reagents, but there are situations where you can get caught flatfooted. I was recently on my level 69 druid and queued for a dungeon and dinged 70 just before my dungeon popped.Of course the reagent I had in my bags for GOTW no longer worked so I'm trying to get MOTW cast on everyone while the tank is pulling like a maniac... and mana regen at that level bites.After that random failed I bought the proper reagent and ALSO bought the one I'll need when the druid turns 80 so I don't get caught short again.
8-27-2010 @ 2:45PM
Just the other day I as the tank went into the dungeon and couldn't hold aggro for the life of me. The healer was pulling aggro and thankfully the dps had enough damage to kill the mobs before the became taunt immune. I realized after the second boss in AN that I had logged out the night before while fishing and hadn't reequipped my staff. Once I did that no problems. I didn't hold the group up because the dps had everything down in 30seconds but sometimes something just plains skips our mind. This also reminds me of those times back as a healer that I got into a habit of never repairing and for the first few dungeons as a tank that habit really came back to bite me. Thankfully I never log off now without repairing. I just leave my fishing pole equipped.
8-27-2010 @ 2:48PM
@ KurlyMy main comment was more towards the people to run random h's all day. Stuff happens when you're leveling. The situation you bring up is a perfect example. You ding, and now reagents are obsolete, or you have to go train before the rankwatch mafia spams you non-stop with whispers about how your spell needs to be trained up a level. It's a lot different from an 80 dps running about QQing because they have long queues that somehow take away their ability to be prepared for something they sign up for.
8-27-2010 @ 3:01PM
Wow, there's a lot of indiscriminate rage going on in this sub-thread. I run as both dps and tank, and like many people I've seen plenty of examples of great and terribad in both roles. Let's just all agree that dpsers should do their very best to be prepared with pots, ammo, etc before entering the random (even if they have to spend 20+ mins questing while in the queue), treat tanks and healers with some appreciation, and not deliberately pull aggro. And that tanks should not assume that all dpsers are incompetant, and act like divas. I expect I'll offend some with my comment or wording. But that isn't the objective. I'm just tired of this war of words between tanks and dpsers. It's a game, and most of us are cool players. Let's not let the bad minority ruin it for the rest of us. :-) And kudos to Road to Nowhere for trying to stay a considerate and decent player.
8-27-2010 @ 3:15PM
As far as symbol of Kings, I am a pally (I tank) and sometimes people complain if I give them 10 minute buffs as opposed to 30. I tell them, wait until you are buffless before you complain. As long as you are always buffed does it matter how long the buff lasts? I always buff myself first, so when I get the 1 minute warning that my buff is wearing off I buff everyone again. I usually have symbols, but sometimes, my hearth is on cooldown and I am not where I can get some. The bottom line, is don't complain until you lose a buff.
8-27-2010 @ 3:19PM
Would like to add that when I wrote my original comment the only existing replies were filled with anger and vitriol. Since then other (calmer) comments have been posted. In fairness to bored_dps, he/she did apologise for being so blunt. Fair play. As for forgetting your fishing pole was attached, I think we've all done something like that once or twice. :-)
8-27-2010 @ 3:20PM
Why be angry at bad DPS? Come cataclysm they will be sitting in a capital city typing "LF2M tank and heals" because everyone with half a brain will be running with friends or known good players. I can't wait to see what incentive Blizz are going to come up with to get us using the LFD tool again.
8-27-2010 @ 3:21PM
@ SerenityNowNo, to be fair, there is a lot of raging over being asked to be responsible. I'd get out my cane and yell about kids these days, but I have a feeling most of these people getting all bent out of shape are around my age (mid-20s, fwiw).
8-27-2010 @ 3:34PM
Tanks don't understand the frustrations of dps going through randoms. We have to wait anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes to get in, then we are subject to whatever instance we get and whatever other people we are grouped with. Tanks may want to pull slowly, but really, what's wrong with going one trash pull after another and not stopping? I understand the healer will sometimes need mana, I understand that there are RL concerns, but I don't understand why you have to pull one mob at a time. When you greatly outgear an instance you shouldn't have to worry that much about CDs or really anything besides your healer's mana. I play a tank as well. I chain pull because randoms are boring when you can zerg everything down in seconds.
8-27-2010 @ 3:42PM
"If you don't lag, you could probably hearth back to Dal, repair, and buy reagents and still be able to hit the accept button on the Dungeon Finder if you hearthed right after it popped up."It's Dalaran. You'll lag.The other day, I had one of those queues that go more than an hour and a half -- not by much, a hundred minutes total, give or take -- on an alt I was leveling. I got in the queue, and it said the average wait was about 27 minutes. About ten minutes in, everything was lit but the healer light. "Oh, maybe it'll be a fast one this time." Another ten, and only the three DPS ones were (and the average wait time was now listed as 35). Skip ahead a bit, it had now been forty minutes, the average wait time was no longer being listed, and we had a healer but no tank. Five minutes after that, we had a tank, but no healer anymore. That went back and forth a few times over the ensuing wait; one or the other, never both. Around 75 minutes, I went into another window and started surfing the web. When the dungeon finally popped, the sound shocked me for a second; I'd genuinely forgotten I still had WoW open. I switched back over, accepted, and did the instance.Long story short, those can be some darn long waits, and the finder can often pop up when you just aren't ready. [Sometimes, I do quest, and it's caught me in the middle of combat more than a few times. Once or twice, it's caught me while on a boat or zeppelin, and I had to jump off to accept. It hasn't caught me during a corpse run yet, and I'm not sure what would happen if I tried to accept while dead.]
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