Gold Capped: Ask an auctioneer -- auction house PvP

OK, last week I claimed that I'd eventually make it through my emails. I now realize that taunting you guys is probably a bad idea, because this week's inbox made it clear that I'll never dig myself out of the Sisyphean pile of emails I've accumulated. I assume that the winding down of this expansion has everyone trying to prepare themselves for the next expansion by hoarding gold, the only thing that will still be really valuable after the gear reset we have in store for us.
Snowmane writes:
I have around 1,100g, and though it fluctuates up to 2,000 at some points, recently, I'm at a low. I am a 450 alchemist and a 250 jewelcrafter, though that's on hold due to lack of funds to buy things to level with. I've looked at different ways of making money with my profession, but none seem to work. I just don't understand how people can make all this gold and easily equip themselves with things needed for raiding, when I can barely afford gemming and enchanting new piece of gear.
Snowmane goes on to give me the prices for herbs and consumables made from those herbs, and if I do the math, it appears that nothing is profitable. Here's the thing, Snow: It appears that you're only looking at a few of the ways an alchemist can make money. Potions and flasks may sell quickly, but you're right that they have an extremely low margin. If you want to make money that way, you need to get better at buying low and get better at selling high. The average price of materials is going to include times when someone dumps an entire week's worth of farming on the AH for a low price, and that low point is the only time you should be accumulating mats.
On the sell side, check out my post on market timing. Every market has demand cycles, and the consumables market has especially noticeable ones. Raid nights are your target nights, and you should try overcutting those nights to profit if your cheaper competitors run out of stock.
That said, selling consumables is only a small part of the money an alchemist can make. If you can transmute titanium profitably, you can make tons of money mostly AFK. Also, if you have a transmute specialization for the 20 percent yield bonus, you should seriously consider transmuting an epic gem a day, even if you have to sell it raw.
Both of these options (consumable commodities and transmutes) have one thing in common: persistence. You can't just splash into the market and expect an immediately noticeable profit; you have to do your tasks every day and make sure that your stock is always listed for sale. The other thing that I'd suggest is measure your success by profits earned, rather than gold in pocket. Gold evaporates out of your pockets, and even if you're making a decent living with alchemy, it may seem like you're pushing a boulder up a hill if you never seem to break 2,000g because you're constantly spending your earnings on leveling another profession.
Simon writes:
You're stuck in a situation that's hard to get out of, Simon. This actually came up recently on a Call to Auction podcast (episode 14, I think): Some people either have no life, or are botting on the auction house. I'm assuming that since he didn't answer your tells, he's actually AFK running a script. Aside from reporting him to Blizzard, there's nothing you can do but trust that eventually, whatever trick he's using to break the rules will be plugged up. I'd suggest trying to diversify into other markets if you want a low-risk method to continue making profits.I started to sell gems profitably on the AH, but soon this person came and started to undercut constantly by 1 copper. At first, I thought this was just normal, but now I see him online 24/7 all day, every day, and as soon as I put something out, he undercuts it straight away. I don't have the will to fight with this guy, as he is always online and undercutting. What should I do? I tried to talk to him but he doesn't respond. I used to sell lots of gems each day, but now I'm lucky if I get to sell 1. One day I even tried to undercut him all the time but in the end he put them out for like 30g when they are worth 100g. So how should I handle this?
Of course, you didn't expect me to stick with the low-risk option, did you? Here's what I think: He has a lot of stock and clearly is willing to move it at a very low price. Fortunately, he can't keep undercutting below the cost of the raw mats forever. You can do two things to attack his bottom line. First, if you really can get him to post a 100g gem for 30g by posting one for 30.0001g, then post that single auction, and keep buying his undercuts until he runs out of stock. He's an idiot for not programming a minimum price into whatever cheating program he's using, so take advantage of this, and once he runs out, get to work selling his 30g gems for 90g each!
Second, if he seems to have endless supply, consider also attacking his supply. You need deep pockets for this to work, but if you buy enough of the raw materials over time while listing a portion of your purchased items for higher than market price, you'll raise the market price. This means that he either has to pay more at the AH, or that his farmers may think twice before sending him their hard-earned mats c.o.d. at the same cost he used to pay. Honestly, this is not always going to work, and you may be stuck with a large amount of useless gems when Cataclysm hits. It's probably not a bad idea to buy out any underpriced mats you find, but that's always true.
Filed under: Economy, Wrath of the Lich King, Cataclysm, Gold Capped






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Zaros Sep 1st 2010 7:10PM
I once had a person who kept undercutting my herbs by 2 silver. Every single time it was only by 2 silver regardless of what ridiculous price I put on them. I immediately put a few items for 50s and he put up his ENTIRE STOCK for 48s each. I bought everything he had and immediately took off my sale. I lost a few of my sales because of fast buyers but my profit was so high that I made several hundred potions (I'm not kidding) and got my alchemy up by 48 skill.
Greatest profit known to man is Stupid Botters. I later got a whisper from him layered in profanity about how i bought all his herbs and how he wants them back because I was being a ......... I told him that i used them and that he should go............
That was a good day for me.
Rakah Sep 1st 2010 7:16PM
was going to point out the same. force the price down of the botter and nab all their cheap stuff.
Colerejuste Sep 1st 2010 7:18PM
That's awesome. I'll definitely keep that one in mind, should I ever some across it.
Natsumi Sep 1st 2010 8:15PM
OMG what a noob, did he threaten to report you? I bet he didn't since he was using an illegal 3rd party program that will get him banned sooner or later. After you did that you should have reported him for harassment lol
Zaros Sep 1st 2010 8:41PM
That event capped me at 450 alchemy so I wasn't too mad at him especially because I made a several thousand gold out of it.
He told me to do several horrible things to myself (I'm not going to go into too much detail about that) and he didn't shut up until I pointed out why he put them at such a low low price and he admitted to botting. I reported because I had finally procured the evidence (of him being an idiot), but I was almost sad to never hear from him again.
:D
Hawkeye Sep 1st 2010 9:01PM
@itkonlyyou264
LOL I couldn't figure out if that was just really crappy English or an attempt at bad poetry. Then I saw the price listings and I literally did laugh-out-loud.
Rob Sep 1st 2010 7:22PM
1) The end game mats are going to essentially worthless come cataclysm. ESPECIALLY epic gems. They won't be useful for skill ups (or not cost effective). Just like BC when epics that were goingn for 200g were worthless (ie they could not be sold for more than vendor).
Those 30g gems are great, but be absolutely sure you have zero stock when cataclysm is near (and we are already into september with an release this year).
2) Don't assume that a profession is your only source of income. You can do very well by finding niche markets and taking advantage of routine, weekly price fluctuations. Perhaps you know the herb market well. Do you know this market routinely fluctuates? If you see an herb for
Basil Berntsen Sep 1st 2010 7:31PM
I don't know why the comment system keeps eating your comment, but you're dead on for the first part. Still, so long as people still run pvp and raid to take advantage of the 30% buff, there'll be demand.
keith Sep 1st 2010 7:44PM
The problem is you are trying to use the left angle bracket ( < ), and the comment form thinks you're trying to make an HTML tag and never closing it. Next time just type out "less than". I think there's a way around it with a / or using the & code...
keith Sep 1st 2010 7:45PM
& # 6 0 ;
Just take out the spaces and you get <!!!
Rob Sep 1st 2010 8:44PM
Keith is right, here it is again!
2) Don't assume that a profession is your only source of income. You can do very well by finding niche markets and taking advantage of routine, weekly price fluctuations. Perhaps you know the herb market well. Do you know this market routinely fluctuates? If you see an herb for LESS THAN 1g (NR herbs), sell, and repost for 1.5g each. Adders tongue, icethorn, and lichbloom (esp latter) is worth more than the typical NR herbs, which I see on many servers for 1g each. I see LB for 2g routinely, or more. There is a constant demand for herbs for the very reason of inscription, and when the cataclysm patch hits, herbs are going to become quite rare.
JC can be a great source, esp when linked with alchemy...but you didn't level it! Do dailies for gold for now, get JC up, learn a few useful gem patterns. JC is a money sink until near cap, so expect that going in, unless you have a toon that can mine. (Or just level it to 400ish and get ready for cataclysm, that works, but JC is #2 on profitability right now)
3) Raid material market, I can only assume is dying (along with just about everything else right now). I wouldn't advice getting into this market right now, but get ready for cataclysm, when it will become (VERY) profitable.
What I commonly see is "i don't really care that much about making gold, and if selling my max level profession stuff isn't making gold, I don't know what else to do". That's cool and fine. Here are some tips that most of us AH guys know.
Just off the top of my head:
1) dailies (about 300g/hr)
2) farming herbs/ore (quite variable, ie herbs are good right now),
3) farming specific drops (ie eternals)
4) crafting rare recipes (you do know that every profession has some hard to find, valuable recipes, right?)
5) selling recipes themselves (this is a huge source for me)
6) selling fish
7) selling uncooked/cooked food
All these are pretty painless and straightforward high return/low risk.
Essentially money like anything else in MMO is a time sink. If you put in the effort, you will become wealthy. Those who become very wealthy have put in a TON of time to get there. Dont' think you can wave a wand and become instantly wealthy.
Zaros Sep 2nd 2010 12:00AM
Suckers! On my realm most NR herbs sell for 5g+.
Saise Sep 2nd 2010 6:52AM
@zaros, how are WE the suckers? You're the one paying 250-500% more than what they are worth.
Kittens Sep 2nd 2010 7:09AM
also @ Snowmane:
I am not entirely sure, but it seemed to me you had JC and alch on one toon, and rely on the AH for the mats to level those up, no gathering professions yourself. Now ofcourse this can be done, and you surely can make a profit, but leveling and starting to make a profit from something like JC will go much faster if you have some gathering professions yourself. Especially if you are low on money.
A good way to level up JC and make some money, would be to get an alt with mining and enchanting. If you would have to level one up for that, make a death knight since you'd have a headstart with the cap on your profession skill there, instead of having to level a toon up a lot before you can go to the next skill cap. Powerlevel mining on that toon, there are some very good guides out there; simply google 'mining leveling guide', the first link that pops up is excellent. Use your mining mats to level JC. You can prospect the ore to get gems. The ore and gems you don't use, you can sell on the AH. Currently on my server, low level ores sell VERY well, often for much higher prices than Northrend ores. The things you make form those mats with JC, disenchant them. Sell the dust etc you get at AH, or if you want level your own enchanter with it so you can make those enchants you find so expensive yourself eventually (just disenchanting JC stuff you make and the drops from instances will get you a LONG way in leveling the skill, I hardly had to buy any ench mats myself when I did it).
Another thing you could try and do is find a regular supplier of herbs/ore, that mails them COD to you for a set price. Though I am not sure how viable that is if you don't have too much money, you'd have to be able to keep up with the stuff he/she sends ofcourse :)
Good luck!
Joey2250 Sep 2nd 2010 9:06AM
@Saise Things are worth what people will pay, if people pay 250% more on a different server than on yours, who cares, its what they are worth on that other server.
And also, I don't think he was paying that for them, his comment seemed to indicate he was SELLING them at that price.
spiderpk Sep 2nd 2010 9:10AM
"& # 6 0 ;
Just take out the spaces and you get
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spiderpk Sep 2nd 2010 9:12AM
Or maybe not - no edit/delete for the loss
Zaros Sep 2nd 2010 7:07PM
I never buy, only sell.
Rob Sep 1st 2010 7:23PM
(sorry, ate part of post)
2) Don't assume that a profession is your only source of income. You can do very well by finding niche markets and taking advantage of routine, weekly price fluctuations. Perhaps you know the herb market well. Do you know this market routinely fluctuates? If you see an herb for
Pyromelter Sep 1st 2010 8:01PM
I would say that to make big G, you need to be diversified. Some days, I can buy cheap herbs and make gold on potions. Other days, I find cheap eternals for transmutes and belt buckles. On still other days, I'll find some cheaper frozen orbs that I can trade in for eternal fires and make pants enchantments. Same with enchanting materials and their end product, scrolls.
Jewelcrafting is really, really tough right now though. About the only thing that makes any decent profit is... well I'm not giving away that secret, but it's a low-volume market anyway. The saronite shuffle is about as best as you can expect from the JC market, and that's a lot of time to get that thing going.
Best of luck. Just farm a ton of stuff in the new xpac and save your G for that.