All the World's a Stage: Pop culture and its impact on roleplay
My example is, of course, the above video. It's not a WoW roleplay thing, but it's still a pretty good illustration of my point. The LARPer is taking the part of Baron Samedi, who is attempting to convert some snake-worshipping vampires to his own religion. I don't know enough about the game dynamic to evaluate it on anything except the obvious; the video's creator is performng a parody of the Old Spice commercials in a very in-character manner. (Thanks to OWbN for the example.) In my opinion, the creator did a pretty good imitation of the vocals, and mirrored the Old Spice commercials pretty well.
With the technical evaluation out of the way, we're left to wonder if it makes sense that an ancient vampire god really spends that much time cruising YouTube. But on the other hand, the video's kind of funny, and probably some people had fun with it. Isn't that kind of the point of roleplay?
Some of my fellow WoW.com bloggers have reported that the pop culture references in Cataclysm get pretty thick. And there's certainly a little genre bending happening in Kezan, when you cruise by some very Zoolander-esque male models. And who hasn't roleplayed an intense interrogation scene, and had the opportunity to answer that "You can't handle the truth!"
The pop culture references exist in roleplay. The WoW lore spans space-goats, engineering inventions, and wizards. But is this occasional piercing of the 5th wall a good or bad thing?
I tend to think of a spectrum existing between "escapism and genre" on one side, and "pure fun" on the other hand. Neither are inherently better than the other. I'm not judging right and wrong. Instead, I'm simply focused on understand how these two things can be anathema to one another.
Consider the gnome
Adherence to escapism and genre demands a roleplay's strict attention to canon. If you're playing a gnome, for example, you can't really be a healer. That's just not something that exists inside the gnomish canon right now. You could probably approximate some of it with bandages and engineering gadgets, but no gnome is going to raid heal Icecrown Citadel.
By comparison, however, I like the idea of a rogue gnome priest. I can easily see a gnome warlock who had a little too much to drink, tripped down the steps on his way out of Ironforge, and was blessed with a vision of the Light. The next day, he furiously builds gadgets to turn his shadow magic into heal spells.
Lastly, consider a gnome named Misgnomer, Gnomechomsky, or anything similar to that. These gnome puns are valid World of Warcraft canon, given quest names like Show Gnomercy. But, still, these are the "pure fun" kind of names. (Also in this category are Tauren joke names like Allbeef of the guild <Patty Special Sauce>.) Again, nothing wrong with the names, but they're a little closer to the "anything in the name of fun category."

Pop culture references tend to lean to the far side of the "pure fun." But I would actually argue if the rest of WoW is pretty fully immersed in its own canon and genre, then it doesn't really matter. After all, WoW is its own canon, and the designers get to write that canon as they go. If they were to decide that Deathwing is shaped like a My Little Pony, then in canon, he suddenly would be.
The danger roleplayers face is that we're not the designers. We're sharing canon with other players, usually with very little agreement about our genre befor we begin play. So having another player jerk along the spectrum -- racing from "immersive escapism" to "pure fun lolcat jokes" -- can be disorienting and troubling. No one likes to be surprised with altered expectations, and that tends to leave a bad taste in most peoples' mouths.
I think pop culture references are fine, as long as they don't become so common that your roleplay turns into one long string of Serenity quotes. (And trust me, my wife and I spend whole nights quoting Zoe and Wash at each other.) There's a time or place for everything, so just try and choose times and places that aren't disruptive to other places.
And, of course, be context sensitive. If you're roleplaying with a group that's super-high-immersive, then they probably won't appreciate any references at all.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Sean Riley Sep 5th 2010 6:21PM
I wrote about this a while ago, and stand by the rules I laid down then.
1. Don’t do it when the stakes are high. At highly dramatic moments, avoid pop culture references.
2. Try to make it work straight. Anyone reading should be able to follow it as is without knowing the reference. If you get the reference it also becomes funny, but it shouldn't seem bizarre if you don't know it. (When my gnome technobabbled, "No no no. If you short out the lambda complex circuit, the khorium power core will only run at half-life," it was, yes, a very crude Half-Life joke. But it works as straight technobabble, too.)
3. Try to link it back into a World of Warcraft reference. The more in-game lore you can work, the less the out-of-universe reference will sting.
4. And, as you noted, know your audience. Play to those who will appreciate it.
That said, all the rules can be broken at the right time. Example of breaking rule 1: In my gnome's first Gnomeregan run, she'd been researching (at the terminals throughout Gnomeregan) the hidden truth behind her father's research, and discovered Thermaplugg had corrupted her father with promises of power, leading him to assist in the treachery. When my gnome first confronted Thermaplugg, she yelled, "THERMAPLUGG, YOU BASTARD! I READ YOUR PURCHASE REPORTS!"
OK, that's a Patton reference. But y'know what? It worked. It was highly dramatic, yet funny all at once. It conveyed her emotions, it lead into the battle neatly, and yes, it gave the group a giggle. That's exactly what you want here.
MightyBurebista Sep 5th 2010 6:26PM
A contentious issue indeed, and hot-button for some roleplayers who don't understand the difficulty of evolving a character without being influenced by any tropes from media one likes (it would be rather hard to make him an interesting character if you try to go down that route). On a lowbie Dwarf Warrior of mine, I had taken it upon myself to patrol Goldshire one day with two Pallies as a "vice squad" sort of shindig to give the Nelf sex workers their comeuppance (since that doesn't belong out in the open on a RP realm anyway). So we walk up to one and I go "Hello, hello, hello! What's all this then?" (a la English cop from Monty Python) and proceed to issue a fine for public indecency. So the Nelf breaks character and starts telling me something along the lines of "That's metagaming, asshole. GTFO". So what can I reply with other than "This is WoW, you freaking moron. Blizz steal their ideas from everywhere, EVERYTHING is metagaming!". Tough issue indeed...
Natsumi Sep 5th 2010 7:40PM
You should have just /cackled at the Nelf and made an oblique reference to the 4th wall, and stayed in character, just to see how OOC you could take them without going OOC yourself.
That or said, "Breaking the 4th wall, that's a criminal offense!" Then you should have used /duel on them. :)
Finnicks Sep 5th 2010 8:44PM
When the Nelf in question accused you of "metagaming", he/she probably meant metagaming in the sense of declaring yourselves a legal authority (with the right to fine people).
Granted, it would have been more fun if he/she had just run w/ it, but clearly your attempt to bring him/her to justice was an affront to his/her RP aims, so he/she broke character.
(I insist on saying he/she mainly because statistics suggest that it was a guy behind the computer anyway, one can never be sure!)
Muchao Sep 5th 2010 9:20PM
I agree that something can be taken too far, but in moderation I don't necessarily believe pop culture references break the lore. Or that not all of them do... simply being a pop culture reference isn't enough. The fact that she's a reference from "Firefly"/"Serenity" will never change the fact that K. Lee Smallfry once paid my Azerothian dwarf for doing some work with an engineering schematic. Everytime I teleport to Gadgetzan or Toshley's station, I see Jhordy Lapforge or Smiles O'Byron. You couldn't convince my dwarf otherwise, since she has no clue what "Star Trek" or a "television" are.
So I think Blizzard has already set an example for us on what can be a reference without being too disruptive to the lore.
On the other hand, I remember the away team that landed in Stormwind on SoE during Love is in the Air. Honestly, a group of people rolled characters to RP as crewmembers of the Enterprise having landed on Azeroth. It makes sense when you think about it. And it wasn't exactly any more "disruptive" than all the OOC chatter going on in the Trade District at the time. But no, I wouldn't want to see them every time I'm in Stormwind. That would get old pretty fast. It was hilarious for the one night, though!
But where do we draw the line? Is naming a gnome engineer something like "Maxi Plankbolt" or "Ernie Catboxer" to be viewed the same as RPing not being able to remember the name of the Arcanomicon and saying," Apple... Ashes... Arcanite... It's an 'A' word! It's definitely an 'A' word!"? I don't think most people would count names of famous scientists as "pop culture", but when you put them in Azeroth it's really the same thing. And what do you do if someone bites your head off over a character declaring something to be "Inconcievable!" because they just have a knee-jerk reaction to the word and "The Princess Bride" hadn't even popped into your head?
Faridoon Sep 6th 2010 1:31AM
My character had clumsily fallen off one of the bluffs in Thousand Needles. She wasn't moving, and two of her friends came looking for her. When they got there, they thought she was dead, and were discussing it.
My character's response?
"I'm only mostly dead...."
My friends laughed, because it fit so perfectly for one, and for two, cause they caught the reference.
Tunahead Sep 6th 2010 2:20AM
My only guidelines for appropriate pop culture reference usage in World Of Warcraft are as follows:
1. If someone mentions triumph and cake in the same sentence, it is my duty to gently but firmly have my character cave their character's skull in with a tire iron.
2. If they mention roundhouse kicks and washed up action stars instead, it's better to just nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Stephen Sep 6th 2010 3:32AM
Oh wow this is a complex issue...
With a game like the one the video comes from (Vampire: The Masquerade, a now out of print game by White Wolf) and the setting (OWBN is an international organization, in which the setting is the real world, just much, much darker) then pop culture references can most definitely fit well.
In WoW... I'm not so sure. There are so many more variables. Is the reference known where that person lives? Can you make it flow? Is it jarring? Sean Riley definitely has the right idea. Even if the person doesn't get the reference, it shouldn't confuse them. Personally in a fantasy setting, I would avoid using too outlandish references.
BTW, if you can't tell, I was a member of OWBN for years. I miss being able to be a part of that organization.
Muchao Sep 6th 2010 9:11PM
That clears up some things. I've never played "Vampire: The Masquerade", and I've been trying to figure out since yesterday how Baron Samedi has much to do with vampires. I was thinking of the Vodou loa. I'm less confused now.
arawn.chernobog Sep 6th 2010 7:22AM
Warcraft is a Hollywood-esque take on fantasy, keep that in mind fellow RPers! It's not Lord of the Rings, it's not "extremely serious" and it's not far from breaking the 4th/5th wall, think of Warcraft as the "Deadpool" of Fantasy Worlds.
Feel free to make Pop Culture references within the game, or even base characters on Pop Culture references... BUT make sure you keep it within the World of Azeroth, do not, and I cannot stress this enough, go ahead and just break the wall down entirely!
There's a reason why the references that exist in-game are usually slightly adjusted to fit the world itself, otherwise they'd just feel "out of place" and that's what you, as a RPer, should avoid! Remember, we're trying for "Maximum Immersion" here, references and jokes are fine but do adjust them into the game world.
Calybos Sep 6th 2010 11:20AM
Just make sure your character works with or without getting the pop-culture reference.
I've got a Draenei death knight who became that way because she stupidly followed her boyfriend into undeath because "their souls were united, and nothing else mattered."
Her boyfriend's name was Edvaard. And in twilight, he sparkled.
Toothy Sep 6th 2010 8:46AM
I always approach RP the same way I do religion:
Don't assume anyone else is onboard with what you do.
Don't insist anyone else get onboard (like MightyB above, if people join in fine, but don't get PO'd if no one goes along with you)
Don't assume anyone knows your holy book (cultural refs in RP)
NEVER, EVER RP with folks who are more orthodox than you without knowing what you are getting into (these folks only seem to enjoy each other's company anyway - until the next schism over a point of lore interpretation)
And finally, if anyone EVER claims anything from RW is destroying the game, call BS on them, and send them to the in-game arbiter of RL/Canon conflicts, http://www.wowhead.com/npc=18756.
Kylenne Sep 6th 2010 1:16PM
I think it's disingenuous and rather insulting to include that particular video as a lead in to an article about roleplaying, particularly one connected to that bastion of cultural sensitivity, White Wolf (this is the same company that gave us that god awful "oriental" vampire sourcebook, after all).
"Baron Samedi" is not a pop culture figure like Mr. T or Chuck Norris. He's a deity from an actual, living religion, and one that has been unfairly maligned, marginalized, and suppressed by the people in power almost from its inception. A lot has been written by people more eloquent than me about why things like this are problematic. "Voodoo" as portrayed in WoW is just another in a long list of examples of indigenous religion being distorted and appropriated for privileged folks' entertainment. While it's far from the worst offender in this regard, it's still problematic and not nearly enough people think about these things.
I'm not telling anyone to stop cracking "stay away from da voodoo" jokes, lest any privileged jackass accuse me of being an oversensitive minority. What I'm saying is that people need to be aware of these issues, and the fact that your RP fun doesn't happen in a vacuum. As recently as the devastating earthquake that struck Haiti, in 2010, vodou practitioners were being denied the right to bury their dead (despite a history of relatively peaceful co-existence with their Catholic neighbors) and were being blamed for the tragedy by a number of Christian preachers, including Pat Robertson. Practitioners of Afro-Caribbean and African Traditional Religions in the United States have had to fight tooth and nail in the courts for the same religious freedom that is supposedly guaranteed by the Constitution, and questionable media portrayals of their beliefs most definitely have an effect.
And yes, this seeming tangent has everything to do with this article. One privileged person's "pop culture" is sometimes another (usually marginalized) person's very real culture, and the best thing you can do to avoid being an insensitive jackass is do some research on these things so you can tell the difference. All of us who've been playing WoW for any length of time know how annoying it is when some poorly-read kid thinks WoW "invented" something when it's really a reference to an old movie or song. Now imagine how much more annoying that scenario is when it's a cultural reference to a people or a belief system that is already marginalized or maligned in mainstream society. Horde RPers especially need to be mindful of this, given the cultural kitchen sink that forms the basis of half our races.
Muchao Sep 6th 2010 9:27PM
I think you make some very valid points about how Vodou is portrayed in popular media, and definitely bring up some things people should be more aware of. Now that I understand the part about Baron Samedi being in "Vampire: The Masquerade" (something I didn't know when I read the column yesterday), though, I do have to disagree with you on some points.
I think the whole issue of "pop culture references" in the video is more a matter of "Baron Samedi" (as the character from the game, not the loa) referencing that annoying Old Spice commercial... not that Baron Samedi himself is a pop culture reference. Still, I do see that just him being a character in that game goes right back to your point about game worlds being based off of things found in the real world, but with a twist, and people often not recognizing the "twist" part. I'm with you there. It's a pet peeve of mine, and if I find one more person who thinks religions that practice ritual magic have anything to do with sorcerers/wizards in D&D... Oh, I'm with you there!
I don't see that WoW does any real harm in the way they show voodoo, but I also admit I'm looking at that from the point of view of someone who knows better than to accept in-game lore as being representative of what it's based on. I also look at it as being a case of "what the trolls believe". Maybe if we saw other cultures that worship the loa we'd see a difference. For example, the draenei certainly don't seem to be as closed-minded and elitist about following the Light as humans have seemed to be in the past. And in the case of the trolls and their voodoo, I'm thinking there are a lot of people who just wouldn't know enough about the subject to connect "Bwonsamdi" to Baron Samedi. They've at least put enough of a twist on things that it seems to be more of a "inspired by Vodou" than "it's the same thing, except it works different in this universe".
As opposed to, you know, putting a character in your game who actually is named "Baron Samedi".
Zeknif Sokolniki Sep 6th 2010 4:49PM
Some over-used RP things
Elves + Dualwielding Scimitars (A Kilij is the Scimitars superior variant)
Ninjas
Katanas (Again, a Kilij is actually the superior blade according to most of my sword enthusiast friends)
Neutral Good Heroes
Chaotic Evil Nemesis