Drama Mamas: When a guildie does something abhorrent

We often make the point in this column that WoW is in fact real life. It's real people interacting in a real way that has real consequences. This week's letter is a stark example of this. Sometimes the guildie with whom you are friends, whom you used to think well of, does something unethical, immoral, illegal or just plain cruel outside of the game. When he brings it in game, how do you handle it?
Public Service Announcement: Regardless of how you feel about animals or what the animal has done, it is generally accepted that unwanted animals should be given to a shelter (link goes to how to find an animal shelter in the United States) rather than abandoned. It's not just about the animal's welfare; it is also best for the welfare of your human neighbors. Even if you are only thinking selfishly, there may also be legal ramifications, depending on what you do.
On to the in-game drama:
Dear Drama Mamas,
I like playing this game. I like my new guild. I like the people I raid with, but now I'm starting to doubt my feelings toward my guildies. Today our tank didn't show up to the raid, so we were trying to find a replacement. After we replaced him and started the instance, he came online. We explained the situation and he seemed OK with not being in the raid. Ten minutes into the run, I saw him write in o-chat that he got rid of his cat today.
I didn't want to know. Immediately, I knew I wasn't going to like this story. There is no way that something can start with "got rid of my cat today" and end well. No one else responded either, but he kept after it. Apparently, the male cat was spraying parts of his apartment and he was tired of dealing with it -- spending money on it -- so he booted the cat out. He just abandoned it.
There was this long pause of nothing in chat. No one knew what to say. I know at least one other officer was a pet owner, but he didn't say anything. I didn't know if I should say anything, but I felt so sad, so sick about it, that I decided to at least express my disappointment. As an animal lover who has rescued four cats (one of which we recently had to have put down due to cancer) and a dog (all of which I still care for in my home), I was flabbergasted at the thought of just dumping a problem animal.
So I told him I was disappointed. That I felt like I understood what problems he was facing, but his behavior was deplorable (I'm not sure I used that word). All of a sudden, the story was different. The neighbor was going to take the animal, as she is an animal lover who "collects" strays. I stressed that if the animal was too much to handle, he could have taken it to a shelter. His only response was that to do that he would have to "waste gas."
I think I said something about how it still didn't make abandonment OK. Now the story changes again: The cat was violent, killing other animals in the neighborhood, and he was doing everyone a favor. It just didn't make sense to me. The story, the logic, the backpedaling -- like it was supposed to be OK. Then he asks me if I am "some sort of vegan or something?" Which, for the record I'm not, but I said that my diet had nothing to do with the conversation. Then he told me to take my "bleeding heart and shove it up your ass."
I told him I didn't understand why he was trying to insult me. He told me that I had started it. It was obvious to me at this point, that it didn't matter what I said. He didn't have any compassion for the animal. He then added in how I should be happy that he didn't "do what he wanted to do to the cat" and how pitching it out was the "humane option."
I let the conversation die, but another officer came into chat and asked what was going on. So now the story was rehashed, with more stuff added to it about how the animal was violent and destructive and how it was killing other people's pets. Suddenly, this man, this friend of mine, was housing a feral tiger in his house. It was just so sad, so strange. I decided to turn off o-chat and just forget about it. But it's bothering me now, five hours later.
Was I right to say anything at all? I guess I knew at the beginning it wouldn't make a difference, but it seemed like not saying anything was somehow worse than starting what I knew would probably end up as a sad argument. And what now? I feel like I've lost all my respect for this person, an officer and a friend who I enjoyed raiding with in the past. I know I should just put it behind me and try to ignore the behavior, but I'm afraid it will affect my choices in the future. And truthfully, I'm not convinced I even want to raid with him anymore. I don't feel like I can consider that sort of person a friend. Am I out of line here? -- Disturbed
I think you did one thing wrong when responding to Cat Hater. Rather than express your feelings in officer chat (and that was better than using guild chat), you should have done it in whispers. I know he bragged in o-chat, but non-guild-related disagreements should be dealt with in private for maximum drama reduction. Also, rather than expressing disappointment and other judgmental opinions, a better way to have expressed the same feelings would have been to skip directly to the solution-offering phase. "Is there a shelter nearby I could call for you?" "Would a friend be willing to bring the cat to a shelter?" "As a rescuer of animals, I happily offer my resources to you to solve your problem humanely." You can't change the person, but you can help with the situation by offering solutions that Cat Hater may not actually have thought of. You may even have been able to avoid the resulting nastiness. But you don't have a time machine, so this is advice for a future situation that you hopefully will never be in again. Let's talk about what you should do now.
You are both officers. I think you should talk to your other officers and see how they feel about the whole thing. It isn't just his bragging about abandoning an animal and the subsequent nastiness that is a problem here. He also skipped out on a raid to do this heinous thing and was pretty cavalier about it. This is an insight into his character that directly affects his worthiness of being an officer and a guildie. If the other officers are OK with still hanging out with the animal-hating, raid-skipping, ultra-defensive guy (yes, I'm being judgmental) -- well then, you need to make the decision whether you want to stay or go. We have to share this world with people who do despicable things. You choose the degree of how much you interact with them in game. You don't always have that choice in the physical world.
Let's not overlook that your reaction was probably as surprising to him.
A few observations:
- The fact that Cat Hater persisted to tell his story in the face of obvious disinterest in the officers' channel tells us that he was more than a little worked up about the situation and deeply in need of letting off some steam.
- I don't doubt for a second that his initial recounting of the story was amped up in what he thought made a dramatic presentation. Consider that it was also probably hyped up based on his agitation at having to deal with the situation.
- Your pressing him about the situation obviously triggered a lot of anger. Maybe it was guilt over the short-sighted decision he'd made -- or maybe it was sheer annoyance at your probing.
How do you feel about raiding and spending time with someone whose choices and outlook have proven to be quite different from your own? That's the real question here. I hope that you'll consider and react to this decision quietly, maturely and with as little drama and fuss as possible. Don't confuse the welfare of the cat with the welfare of the guild as a whole; you don't have to disrupt one to stand up for the other.
Drama buster of the week
If we aren't able to respond to your letter (we get quite a few), try to imagine the same circumstance happening in a bowling league, softball team, knitting club, LARP troupe -- choose the leisure time group of your choice -- and then determine how you would handle it in that situation.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 14)
josh Sep 10th 2010 6:09PM
/kicks cat
an animal is just that. it cannot be abandoned as outdoors without humans is its natural state.
aanyhoo sounds like he was just trying to get attention and you gave it to him...
James Sep 10th 2010 6:13PM
Can you imagine, someone trying to get attention by typing in nasty things about cats?
I love cats :D
Daco Sep 10th 2010 6:17PM
Sorry, Josh. First of all, "/kicks cat" is not funny, not in any way.
Secondly, outdoors without humans is by no means the natural state for a domesticated housecat. The cat is being put into an environment that it has never been trained to deal with. Natural instincts may help, but likely won't be sufficient.
Abandoning a domesticated pet is irresponsible. At best.
Magma Sep 10th 2010 6:17PM
I guess that means human babies can't be abandoned either. After all, we're all animals right? The wild is just where we belong.
Verit Sep 10th 2010 6:17PM
Most cats having been brought up in captivity probably wouldn't be able to care for themselves on there own.
Its cruel no matter how you look at it.
Mike Sep 10th 2010 6:18PM
Domesticated cats (and dogs) aren't capable of completely outdoor life, they've been bred for thousands of years through artificial selection and the species is now quite dependent on humans.
Hailene Sep 10th 2010 6:20PM
That's ridiculous. A domesticated cat is not a wild animal, and while cats can certainly survive on their own, an urban environment is not their "natural" one. How long would you survive in the wilderness, in your "natural state?" Giving up on an animal for whom you have accepted responsibility is, well irresponsible.
The abandonment isn't even the central issue here, it's the guildmate's lying, embellishment, and justification of his behavior.
Docp Sep 10th 2010 6:21PM
It might be their ancestor's natural state but many house pets are not going to be able to survive for long on their own. They might adapt, they might find a nice old lady who takes them in but there's a strong chance they won't be able to find enough food for themselves, fend off attacks from other animals or get run over by the first car they meet. This is especially true for abandoning house pets in the woods or a field, just because it's 'nature' doesn't make it a suitable habitat for a small ginger cat.
If you can't handle a pet take it to a shelter, give it to a friend or take the time to sell it to a good home through advertisements, don't just abandon it to fend for itself.
Matthew Rossi Sep 10th 2010 6:23PM
Putting a domesticated animal outside is dangerous. Doing so permanently is tantamount to murdering it. It's not a wild animal. It does not have the resistances, experience, or life training to survive in the wild. Worse, the local ecosystem is not prepared for feral cats, who are not supposed to be there.
If you have a pet you have taken personal responsibility for it. You. You are responsible. if you shirk your responsibility, you are no less than guilty of negligence. If you don't want a pet, don't get one. It's not a light decision. Deciding "Oh, this isn't working out, I'm just going to abandon it" is cruel and will most likely result in the animal's death.
Dza Sep 10th 2010 6:27PM
If pets were wild animals, sure their natural habitat would be outside. However, a domestic cat is not at home in the wild.
Sounds like this guy is a grade-A asshole though, taking on a pet he has no time/ambition to train and work with.
Kaz Sep 10th 2010 6:31PM
We get it Josh, you're an idiot and/or a sociopath. You don't have to prove it to the world anymore.
A domesticated animal dose NOT have the same instincts as a wild animal. They were raised by humans and expect humans to take care of them. They know to go to their dish for food and water, not to hunt or dig for sustenance. They have no social connections to (and thus no support structure from) their wild brethren.
It would be the same as abandoning a person in the wild. Yeah we may have all lived in caves thousands of years ago, and there maybe groups of nomadic peoples living in jungles, but that dose not mean your average city-dweller could survive if you dropped him in the middle of the Amazon.
josh Sep 10th 2010 6:36PM
so aparently none of you have ever been to a farm because cats survive just fine in a natural state even cats that were formaly city dwellers. they are very capable predators. also if you dont see the ethical difference between a human baby and a cat, but can make that distinction with nyoure doublecheeseburger then the cats have won lol...
Shadowwind Sep 10th 2010 6:41PM
By that logic, my current cat would have been just fine outdoors, instead of the starving (as in literally starving to death) kitty I adopted...what is it now, 5 years ago? So far as we can tell, she was born or adopted into an abusive household and lived there until she was around a year old, upon which time they abandoned her. She had no clue what the outdoors was when she was dumped, she had no clue how to hunt or find safe places to sleep. If I hadn't have taken her in, she would have DIED.
I'm surprised no one's mentioned that it sounds like the guildmate was neglecting the cat (at BEST). Most spraying behavior is easily fixed by spaying/neutering (oh, but I supposed that would have 'wasted gas and money'). Even when it's not, there are lots of different products and training methods that work quite well. It sounds to me like the only thing he did was spend money on a few cleaning products, yell at or strike the cat a few times, then give up in disgust and dump it.
Personally, I think the letter-writer's response was pretty mild. Have you considered contacting the ASPCA to see if there's anything they can do?
Xlo Sep 10th 2010 6:44PM
Actually studies show that if you let an animal out of any reason they will be able to survive and rely on their animal instincts , the example they used was Katrina. New Orleans was evacuated people had to leave their pets behind. The dogs were able to adapt to pack behavior in a matter of days.
People tend to care for animals more for how they care for each other. More people are willing to take in a homeless cat than a homeless person, regardless of age/etc, and that is more disturbing to me.
Noah Sep 10th 2010 7:25PM
As a strictly feral kitty druid, and have been one since i started playing, I will find this cat-abandoning guildmate of yours, and I will personally RIP HIS SOUL AND EAT HIS HEART!!!!!
*kitten eyes* Meow!
Oh and Josh, I agree with Shadowwind, I've picked up two cats from my farm. One was naturally feral but he was so small he could fit in the palm of your hand. The poor little guy would have been picked up by a hungry hawk if we hadn't found him.
The other walked out of our fields actually on my birthday, thin as a pencil and starving for food. The funny thing was that he acted so kindly towards us, so we knew that he had been dumped by some irresponsible cat owner (Where my farm is, people don't neuter their cats, so they have all the kittens they want, then they just kick them out). Seeing how friendly this little cat was, he must have been kept longer then most kittens do (He's black and white, and the cool part is that in white fur on his forehead he has a little peace sign, so we named him Scooby Dude) But I digress.
The point is that both of the cats would have certainly died within a few weeks if not days if we hadn't found them. Picked up by a hawk or died of starvation, it does not matter. You simply cannot leave a domestic animal in an environment outside of it's natural habitat and expect it to be fine. It's like somebody kicking you out of your house and dropping you in the middle of the amazon at the drop of a hat, you wouldn't have a clue what to do. Think man, what your saying had no logic.
For The Horde
Faylla Sep 10th 2010 7:53PM
My parent's place is out in the sticks. One of our cats was an outstanding mouser, the other wasn't. Yes, if something horrible to us the first cat would have been just fine and dandy, but the other one would have surely died. Regardless of predatory ability, they both received food, water, shelter and veterinary care. By taking them into our home, we agreed to do that.
Domestic cats can be amazing killing machines, but they can also be huge wimps who wouldn't know the first thing about catching a mouse. We've selectively bred domestic cats to have a range of abilities. Some were bred to be effective pest control, others to be lap cats. Guess what? You don't get to choose which instincts are stronger in your cat. Even if a cat is born with innate predatory instincts, a lifetime of ready food, water and shelter are not going to prepare them for being suddenly thrown into the wild.
Hiwa Sep 10th 2010 8:53PM
Josh, I spend much of my childhood on a dairy farm. I'm well acquainted with barn cats--as well acquainted as its possible to be anyway. Barn cats are just that--their environment is the barn and the farmyard, they are working cats, and this is the life that they know. They have a measure of self-sufficiency but they still have dependence on humans. They shelter in the barn, they sleep in the hay, and they don't have a diet consisting solely of mice, rats, and other farm pests. Barn cats also get fed, the kittens get a share of calf formula (yes there is such a thing) and they are provided with a water supply.
But just like there are working barn cats on a farm, there are also domesticated animals. We always had housecats who were completely dependent on us. If we put them out in the barn with the half-feral barn cats they would not only have been at risk but they would have been emotionally devastated.
I wasn't raised to be sentimental about animals, but neither was I raised to be cruel. So don't go bringing up a farm argument unless you have something to back it up with. Even working animals are treated decently by decent people.
AlloK Sep 10th 2010 9:32PM
@Josh
I think your ignorance speaks for itself, so I won't repeat what everyone else here is saying. I just wanted to put my voice in with everyone else that is saying: You are a moron.
If you think a Domesticated House Cat is a Wild Animal you're sorely mistaken. Yes there are FERAL cats that live outdoors, but these cats where BORN and raised in the wild, they have never been fed from a dish, or drank from a toilet. There is a BIG difference here.
It's like taking a person born and raised in New York City and throwing him into a Australian Aboriginal tribe (or some obscure African tribe) and saying "This is natural, now survive".
Bzak Sep 10th 2010 10:09PM
STOP FEEDING THE TROLL
curzen Sep 10th 2010 10:13PM
I only agree insofar that this dramaqueen seems to have posted this crap all over the place to get her ego stroked.