Is faction antagonism story-driven or player-driven?

One of the things I've noticed in my time back-and-forthing between Alliance and Horde toons is that each faction seems to have many, many vocal partisans who believe the opposite faction to be filled to the brim with churls, knaves and scalawags. Perhaps even hooligans and ne'er-do-wells. You see it all the time in general chat: "Those ally fellows are nothing but mountebanks!" Or perhaps: "Horde? Nothing but disreputable scoundrels, bounders and cads!"
What I find interesting is how much of this factional divide is created by the game itself ... how much comes from quest lines and zone design and world events ... and how much is purely based on the players. It's true that over the past several expansions, we've seen a shift in the game itself from the days of the AQ gate event and the opening of the Dark Portal, when Horde and Alliance stood shoulder-to-shoulder against threats to Azeroth, to the present Wrath/Cataclysm direction when even Old Gods, Lich Kings and insane dragon aspects can't get the Horde and Alliance to cooperate.
Still, until fairly recently, I'd never really felt much of the infamous Horde/Alliance hatred from the game itself. Even the Wrathgate /Battle for Undercity and the Broken Front quests didn't come close to matching the intensity of a forum flame war or a really acrimonious Wintergrasp battle. Playing Horde back in the day, you couldn't help but notice the perception of superiority Horde players (including myself, at the time) felt over Alliance. But the story didn't really have much to do with it.
I found playing a worgen on the beta to be positively eye-opening in this regard. The story from beginning to end is about unchecked, unbounded Forsaken aggression against a people who had never fought them, never attacked them, never tried to invade Lordaeron or claim lands held by them. The people of Gilneas had gone out of their way to avoid the Forsaken, and it was Sylvanas (and behind her, Garrosh Hellscream) directly attacking a neutral nation purely out of naked lust for conquest and territorial acquisition. By the time you're done playing a worgen through the starting zones, you will be ready to put orc babies on spikes. It may be the first time I've ever felt the factional hatred entirely from the game instead of from other players.
Nowadays, it seems that the balance is pretty even. A great deal of the conflict between Horde and Alliance is set up in the story, but players still take the lead (the point of the spear, so to speak) by keeping said antagonism alive via ganking, world PvP and keeping BGs and zones like Wintergrasp/Tol Barad active. I'm curious to read what you think keeps factionalism in WoW active and if you view it as a positive or negative for the game.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 9)
MusedMoose Sep 18th 2010 12:07PM
This makes me wonder: could Blizzard have seen the player-driven faction pride/hatred and so decided to built it up in the game as well? It kind of makes sense. Like Mr. Rossi said, with AQ and BC, we saw story-driven cooperation between the Alliance and Horde, whereas with WotLK and Cataclysm, we're seeing things change, and often rather dramatically.
I understand that, yes, it's WarCraft and therefore should involve war, but it does make me wonder if Blizzard decided to manipulate the story to give people the war they wanted.
Or they could have planned this all along. Giving people two sides to choose from really does make them overly proud of their side. ^_^
Dan828 Sep 18th 2010 4:26PM
I play both sides....people are pretty much the same on either side, but there seems to be more "casual" players on alliance, and more dedicated pvp players-- at least on the servers I've been on. But, yeah, the rivalry is almost entirely player driven, and at times seems irrational-- people hating horde and refusing to play any horde characters, and vice versa. I kinda of think it's silly, because you are cutting yourself out of a lot of content that you paid for if you don't try both sides, but to each his own.
Nathanyel Sep 18th 2010 7:24PM
While the Warcraft franchise was based on the simple premise "Orcs vs. Humans", it departed from that during the following games, especially Warcraft 3, and in the beginning, WoW simply had language barriers and world PvP wherever people wanted, without any true meaning. This PvP system likely was a) to mirror other MMOs with PvP and b) to not alienate "old-school" players of the Warcraft games. Whatever evolved from that, both in the PvP system as well as PvE story, was based on players asking to bring back "the war". Just imagine, since the First and Second War share similarities to the two RL World Wars, how that would've been in the real world... "eh, we've fought those before and we still hate them, let's go into another man- and ressource-devouring conflict!"
Jack Draven Sep 18th 2010 12:08PM
How I long for the world of Trade chat ran by Rossi.
Kar On E Sep 18th 2010 12:50PM
You and me both! I am so gonna start calling people Mountebanks now that I've looked up what it means!
For those wondering:
*
A person who deceives others, esp. in order to trick them out of their money; a charlatan
*
A person who sold patent medicines in public places
Kevin S. Sep 18th 2010 12:16PM
I understand the player-driven aspect of the Horde/Alliance antagonism from a snowball-fight mentality... it's natural to want to sport around with other players. It's also natural to express your opinion of "Trolls look cooler than Humans" through a Horde/Alliance battle.
It just drives me nuts that two factions that should really be working together (from a story p.o.v.) are forced by the most basic mechanic of the game to always be strictly opposing. A more complex faction system could be so much richer.
MikeLive Sep 18th 2010 3:38PM
Agreed. The war between Horde and Alliance is a particularly gray one, even moreso for player characters who are technically mercenaries and could assign their own affiliations. I'm quite annoyed that I greatly prefer Alliance races (Draenei and Gnomes ftw) and cities (loving the new Stormwind), but all my friends play Horde. Cross-faction guilds would be an awesome idea. I mean, just because two nations are at war doesn't prevent two citizens from being friends in neutral territory.
RetPallyJil Sep 18th 2010 12:20PM
RPJ and I have nothing against Orcs, or Tauren, or Blood Elves (Other than their unfortunate tendency to attack me on sight!)
But I've personally never met a Troll who wasn't a jackass, and the Forsaken, well fuck those guys, period.
So for me it is both story- and player-driven. :D Glad I could totally NOT help clarify the issue at all!
shatto.a Sep 18th 2010 1:51PM
Fuck the Forsaken? Do you know why they joined the Horde and hate you? Because YOUR closed-minded faction turned them away!
RetPallyJil Sep 18th 2010 2:05PM
Uh ... because returning from the realm of death left them twisted and incapable of any feelings other than hate and envy?
Would you invite them to YOUR office party?
NielsdeJONG Sep 18th 2010 2:09PM
@shatto.a
TThe Forsaken were turned away from the Alliance because they mindlessly slaughtered humans out of fear that they would fear them!
DUH!
Bedvyr Sep 18th 2010 2:10PM
To shatto.a; the remnants of the Lordaeron Alliance actually worked with the Forsaken, until they were betrayed and mercilessly slain. Garithros was no angel, in fact he was quite evil himself, but he worked with the Forsaken and Sylvannas betrayed him.
Given the history of inhumane treatment of prisoners, lack of mercy, complete void of honor, and creation of vile superweapons that have all been the Forsaken's calling cards I would say that the Alliance nations are quite justified in their feelings towards them.
Note that this comes from a happy Horde player. I think that I can see the forest for the trees.
RetPallyJil Sep 18th 2010 2:16PM
Yep! It was the BLOOD ELVES that the Alliance screwed and forced into the Horde's welcoming arms (a critical failure by my team, I admit!)
Xaklo Sep 18th 2010 2:19PM
Right? I agree whole-heartily with Shatto. I guess Humans that are now cursed and leave their hairballs on your couches are still welcome into Alliance homes. But Humans that only die aren't allowed back in? So what if we're a little smelly? At least we don't drool all over the place (barring those of us without lower jaws).
mingdi9 Sep 18th 2010 2:29PM
Let's not forget that Garithos was the same man who thought it would be a good idea to execute all the Blood Elves for working with the naga, and that Garithos and his men had been mind-controlled by Detheroc and been freed by Sylvanas before they attacked the remains of Lordaeron's Capitol City together.
Tabasa Sep 18th 2010 2:44PM
@shatto I am -so- tired of hearing this argument.
The first thing the Forsaken did upon forming as a group was to slaughter the remnants of the living human forces in Lordaeron.
Yes, Garithos is a prick. You can make the argument that he deserved it. But Sylvanas and her forces didn't kill his forces because he was the leader of them. They killed them to gain full control over the area.
Sylvanas makes it very clear from the start that her vendetta against the humans is that they were the race that spawned Arthas. She doesn't commission the plague because of Garithos, or because "humans are racist". She's so hell-bent on revenge against Arthas that she wants to take out the entire race that he came from along with him.
The Forsaken as a whole have never given the Alliance any reason to trust them. There was no effort on their part to have the Alliance accept them back into the fold. Please stop claiming that there was.
Kesely Sep 18th 2010 3:30PM
“But I've personally never met a Troll who wasn't a jackass,”
Dat hurt me, man, dat hurt me bad.
Matthew Sep 18th 2010 3:43PM
I'm horde, and have found that this is the list of jackasses from worst to best
undead males
tauren warriors (not hunters, just warriors)
female belf pallies
troll males
and the toons that are simply the nicest:
female tauren (ie, druids lol)
femalte trolls
This is my opinion, but it's based on 3 years of Horde focused play.
RetPallyJil Sep 18th 2010 3:58PM
Kesely, you might be da most upright Troll dere eva was ... but if I ain't met cha, how can I say?
RetPallyJil Sep 18th 2010 4:01PM
To Matthew - You have to take into consideration that the female belf paladins are all played by men!